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Re: ESPN Player Rankings
« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2015, 03:04:50 PM »

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Quote from: Big333223 on September 24, 2015, 03:00:09 PM
Quote from: slamtheking on September 24, 2015, 02:14:16 PM
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Quote from: PhoSita on September 24, 2015, 01:55:40 PM
I'm pretty sure the ESPN rankings below the top 200 or so are made with a dartboard.

Yeah, let's not fool ourselves into thinking it's particularly important to accurately rank someone as the 351st best player in the NBA versus the 376th.
apparently with our collection of below-300 players, it is important ;)
Beats me how you can jduge these guys who haven't played a minute of NBA basketball. Dart board might not be a bad way to go about it.
they were far more scientific

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Re: ESPN Player Rankings
« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2015, 03:48:43 PM »

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Latest rankings: KO is 122, AB is 126.

Only IT, Smart and Amir Johnson left to rank (apparently in that order).
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Re: ESPN Player Rankings
« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2015, 03:59:17 PM »

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How do they rank, is it based on advanced metrics or is a panel voting?
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Re: ESPN Player Rankings
« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2015, 04:11:02 PM »

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I like how they also provide a team by team list, very convenient:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13723434/team-team

BOSTON CELTICS

X. Isaiah Thomas
X. Marcus Smart
X. Amir Johnson
122. Kelly Olynyk
126. Avery Bradley
141. Jared Sullinger
143. David Lee
148. Jae Crowder
172. Tyler Zeller
180. Evan Turner
245. Jonas Jerebko
324. R.J. Hunter
349. Perry Jones
367. James Young
375. Terry Rozier

Others former C's (I think I got 'em all):

Top 120: Paul Pierce
Top 120: Tony Allen
130. Brandan Wright, never forget, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7EO7HRdvUE
148. Courtney Lee
158. Jeff Green
189. Brandon Bass
190. Kevin Garnett
210. Jerryd Bayless
223. Rajon Rondo
233. Gerald Green
264. Jason Terry
276. Jameer Nelson
283. Kris Humphries
343. Glen Davis
363. Dwight Powell
365. Phil Pressey
368. Tayshaun Prince
376. E'Twaun Moore

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Re: ESPN Player Rankings
« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2015, 04:12:04 PM »

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Quote from: slamtheking on September 23, 2015, 07:42:06 PM
Quote from: GC003332 on September 23, 2015, 07:39:40 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13710146/nba-nbarank-players-ranked-nos-301-400

Hunter 324
Young 367
Rozier 375

Mickey missed the top 400
Triboy will be crying in his beer over this news ;)

I do find it weird that Hunter is regarded that much higher than Rozier



Or even Young. What has he done yet that could be considered positive?
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Re: ESPN Player Rankings
« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2015, 05:05:23 PM »

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Quote from: Evantime34 on October 02, 2015, 03:59:17 PM
How do they rank, is it based on advanced metrics or is a panel voting?

Hiring monkeys

What a joke this ranking is imo
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Re: ESPN Player Rankings
« Reply #21 on: October 02, 2015, 05:14:21 PM »

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I wonder how the Celtics will ultimately compare to other teams in terms of how many of their players fall in the 100-200 range.
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Re: ESPN Player Rankings
« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2015, 06:25:47 PM »

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So if you were to take our players and divide by 30, you'd get a rough idea of what number they would be on a team (i.e., best player, second best, etc.).  Based on the idea that that guy said we were a team full of seventh best players and the fans idea that we are deep.

Oly and Avery would be equivalent to a 4th best player.
Sully, Lee, and Crowder round to a 5th best player
Zeller and Turner = 6th best player
Jerebko = 8th
Hunter = 11th
Jones and young = 12th
Rozier = 13th

So not exactly deep and for now, we probably average to about 7th best player.
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Re: ESPN Player Rankings
« Reply #23 on: October 02, 2015, 07:39:26 PM »

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From what I could understand, it's a voting based on the expectation of contribution/productivity next season.
Which is why RJ Hunter is ranked higher than Rozier. With Thomas, Smart and Turner, Rozier's chances of playing are slim. RJ's are a little less slim because the Cs are thin on 2s and shooting. It is not an absolute ranking of the value of players or a projection of what they'll be in the future (outside this season).
That said, I have strong reservations about some choices - even considering only Celtics players, I anticipate Lee's contribution/productivity to be higher than Olynyk's, for instance. And Crowder should be higher.
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Re: ESPN Player Rankings
« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2015, 09:50:00 PM »

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Quote from: droopdog7 on October 02, 2015, 06:25:47 PM
So if you were to take our players and divide by 30, you'd get a rough idea of what number they would be on a team (i.e., best player, second best, etc.).  Based on the idea that that guy said we were a team full of seventh best players and the fans idea that we are deep.

Oly and Avery would be equivalent to a 4th best player.
Sully, Lee, and Crowder round to a 5th best player
Zeller and Turner = 6th best player
Jerebko = 8th
Hunter = 11th
Jones and young = 12th
Rozier = 13th

So not exactly deep and for now, we probably average to about 7th best player.

Actually, having eight guys in the top 150 is fairly impressive from a depth perspective.  Using your own logic about averages, you'd figure the average team should have about five guys in the top one-fifty.

We're low on top tier star talent (not likely to have anyone in the top 30--unless Isaiah sneaks in), but depth we've got. 

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Re: ESPN Player Rankings
« Reply #25 on: October 04, 2015, 04:53:32 PM »

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Olynyk is ranked comfortably ahead of Sullinger. That's interesting. Maybe that speaks to how much this ranking weighs shooting ability.
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Re: ESPN Player Rankings
« Reply #26 on: October 04, 2015, 07:34:40 PM »

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Quote from: bdm860 on October 02, 2015, 04:11:02 PM
I like how they also provide a team by team list, very convenient:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13723434/team-team

BOSTON CELTICS

X. Isaiah Thomas
X. Marcus Smart
X. Amir Johnson
122. Kelly Olynyk
126. Avery Bradley
141. Jared Sullinger
143. David Lee
148. Jae Crowder
172. Tyler Zeller
180. Evan Turner
245. Jonas Jerebko
324. R.J. Hunter
349. Perry Jones
367. James Young
375. Terry Rozier

Others former C's (I think I got 'em all):

Top 120: Paul Pierce
Top 120: Tony Allen
130. Brandan Wright, never forget, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7EO7HRdvUE
148. Courtney Lee
158. Jeff Green
189. Brandon Bass
190. Kevin Garnett
210. Jerryd Bayless
223. Rajon Rondo
233. Gerald Green
264. Jason Terry
276. Jameer Nelson
283. Kris Humphries
343. Glen Davis
363. Dwight Powell
365. Phil Pressey
368. Tayshaun Prince
376. E'Twaun Moore

I like those top four on the court together, with Jerebko or Crowder tossed in at the 3.
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Re: ESPN Player Rankings
« Reply #27 on: October 05, 2015, 06:00:47 AM »

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haven't checked out the rankings but in my opinion, unless it's fantasy basketball, the rank doesn't mean as much as the range. For example, #344 isn't significantly better than #345 or #365  but what it essentially means is that all 3 players are outside of the top 300.

Now, I don't know when we should cut off these tiers but off the top of my head, without looking at any players, it would be something like:
1. Top 10
2. Top 20
3. Top 50
4. Top 100
5. Top 150
6. Top 250
7. Top 350
8. Outside of Top 350

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Re: ESPN Player Rankings
« Reply #28 on: October 05, 2015, 07:43:31 AM »

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Quote from: LilRip on October 05, 2015, 06:00:47 AM
haven't checked out the rankings but in my opinion, unless it's fantasy basketball, the rank doesn't mean as much as the range. For example, #344 isn't significantly better than #345 or #365  but what it essentially means is that all 3 players are outside of the top 300.

Now, I don't know when we should cut off these tiers but off the top of my head, without looking at any players, it would be something like:
1. Top 10
2. Top 20
3. Top 50
4. Top 100
5. Top 150
6. Top 250
7. Top 350
8. Outside of Top 350

Yet then the difference between, say, 149 and 151 becomes significant. Still, I see what you're getting at.
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Re: ESPN Player Rankings
« Reply #29 on: October 05, 2015, 09:01:44 AM »

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This year's rankings are absurd way more than usual and usually there are quite a few head scratchers
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