Bulls and Celtics trade idea: Noah and Mcdermott

[Tr1boy]

To Bulls: Avery Bradley, Evan Turner, Tyler Zeller, Jared Sullinger
To Celtics: Joakim Noah,  Doug Mcdermott, 1st round pick

Why Bulls do the trade:  Team had a poor offseason, has a so so bench and there is a 50/50 chance Noah will sign to stay long term.  Gasol, Gibson also are not the most durable players.  Avery Bradley would be a nice backup to come off the bench for either Butler or Rose.


Why Celts do the trade:  Noah and Amir = one of the better frontcourt defensive duo in the league.   Mcdermott could turnout to be an average joe sf like Mike Dunleavy or have a breakout season.   Worse case, will provide solid 3 pt shooting and 10 points off the bench.  Best case , we get someone like a Paul Pierce for years to come.  Add another 1st 


Celts lineup after trade
C  - Noah
PF - Amir
SF - Mcdermott
SG- Smart
PG - Rozier

Bench
C  - KO/
PF - Lee/Mickey
SF - Jerebko/PJ3
SG - Hunter/Young
PG - IT

thoughts?

[LooseCannon]

That's a highly optimistic worst-case scenario for Dougie McBuckets.

[viulo]

You forgot Crowder on your rotation, he'd definitely start ahead of McDermott

[Surferdad]

Not a fan of either Bulls player.

[ThaPreacher]

Interesting trade idea.
One that would pay dividends.  Addition by subtraction.  Less is indeed sometimes more.
   Noah would give the Celtics some toughness.  Mcdermott would be serviceable.
The draft pick would be the sweetener.

[slamtheking]

not a fan of Dougie and I'm not terribly confidant Noah will stay healthy.  the first would end up being a very late one and we already have a bunch as it is.

wouldn't make the deal -- seems like a bit of an overpay.  Also, I wouldn't trade for Noah unless he was going to be that final piece to get us to contention.  while he'd make us better when on the court, he doesn't get us near contending.

[Hemingway]

Would the bulls really take that offer? Haven't seen Noah play much recently, how much has he fallen off to where he was a few years back?

[Tr1boy]

You forgot Crowder on your rotation, he'd definitely start ahead of McDermott

Oops. Still prob start mcbuckets over Crowder

Though Noah, amir, crowder, smart and Rozier would make a terrific defensive 5

[BudweiserCeltic]

Yuck.

[krumeto]

There is no obvious trade idea out there (like Green to Memphis last season), so any idea will be a stretch to some extend.

I like this one, because it makes sense (again, to some extend) for both teams.

The Bulls are very thin at 1-3 for a contender. The trade fills in their bench with players who could and have started playoff games.

For us, it gives us a SF and potential scoring option for our young core and a hope Noah could play productive 20 minutes a game, while clearing roster space for this and next year.

Our young-ish core only would then be:

C: KO (PF/C)
PF: Mickey, Perry Jones (SF/PF)
SF: Crowder, Doug, Young (SG, SF)
SG: RJ
PG: Smart, Rozier (both could play the SG)

We would have lots of picks to add to this next year.

With that said, if I could remove Sully or Zeller from the deal, I would do it. Salary-wise Zeller-Turner-Bradley works. Bulls can keep their pick.

[krumeto]

Would the bulls really take that offer? Haven't seen Noah play much recently, how much has he fallen off to where he was a few years back?

Noah was a total disaster last year but he was playing through injuries the whole year. I visit Blogabull occasionally and in some of their articles they were commenting that no team would give up anything for him.

On the other hand, in an interview recently he said he is finally healthy.

I think 20 hardworking minutes per game from now on is what one can reasonably expect from him.

[Geo123]

You forgot Crowder on your rotation, he'd definitely start ahead of McDermott

Oops. Still prob start mcbuckets over Crowder

Though Noah, amir, crowder, smart and Rozier would make a terrific defensive 5

McDermott hardly played last year and really showed nothing when he did.  No way he would start ahead of Crowder. 

[Tr1boy]

You forgot Crowder on your rotation, he'd definitely start ahead of McDermott

Oops. Still prob start mcbuckets over Crowder

Though Noah, amir, crowder, smart and Rozier would make a terrific defensive 5

McDermott hardly played last year and really showed nothing when he did.  No way he would start ahead of Crowder.

After 1 season for a rookie lots of things can change.  Or not
I think McDermott Will have a semi breakout year

[pearljammer10]

I mean, the Bulls aren't going to trade Noah, their first round pick from last year plus another first round pick for this deal. I would assume we would have to add a first and take the one coming our way away.

I obviously do this deal. Noah might be on the decline but he is the defensive center that you need on a winning team. He's a playoff tested veteran that has had a lot of success. Comparing Dougie to Pierce is absolutely ludacris but he can be a serviceable forward off the bench to space the floor.

I make the trade but I'd change up the starting lineup you propose.

Noah
Lee
Crowder
Smart
IT

In this situation I don't think you can leave IT to the bench cause I wouldn't rely on Rozier to give good starters minutes. Allow Johnson to be the first big off the bench to sub in for Lee. I like Lee as a starter more so than Johnson cause it would be a nice offensive boost. KO then comes in for Noah. Lee/Noah and Johnson/KO balances out really well in my opinion. Trade leaves us a bit thin on the depth chart up front however.

Noah/KO
Lee/Johnson/McKey
Crowder/Jerebko/Dougie
Smart/Hunter/Young
IT/Rozier

[CsBanner18]

I've been thinking about a similar proposal, I just never wrote a post. We shouldn't be giving up Sully. They can take either KO OR Perry Jones, the Minny 1st, & the 2nd rd pick we got for PJ3. The Bulls already have Gibson, Gasol, Mirotic, & Portis. Adding Zeller to their front court to back up Gasol would be good enough.

I'd say:

To CHI: Bradley, Turner,  Zeller, PJ3, MIN 1st, future 2nd
To Bos: Noah, McBuckets

This trade will open up more minutes for Rozier & Hunter. One of our bigs (Lee, Amir, KO, Sully) would end up being traded. I say we keep Sullinger because this will be his best year yet. Olynyk will have the hardest time cracking our big man rotation so I say we make a separate trade involving him.