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Isaiah Thomas
« on: September 02, 2015, 02:53:52 AM »

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The more I consider Danny Ainge's acquisition of Isaiah Thomas the more I think it was a great move. Obviously he played incredibly as a Celtic last season, putting up ridiculous stats and helping to push us into the playoffs. But IT looks like one of our best assets given his super cheap contract and incredible talent.

Option A) Keep IT and he helps us become a significantly better team.

OR

Option B) Trade IT to help get the next big piece for the Celtics.

It seems like a win/win situation for the Celtics either way and we gave up very little to get him from Phoenix.

It's Option B that I am curious about though:

Do you think DA drafted Marcus Thornton who is a high-usage score-first point guard in a similar mold (Note: NOT skill level) to IT as POTENTIAL insurance if IT is traded?

I know that:

- DA was high on him and DA loves having a  spark-plug scorer off the bench
- It could be argued that he was the BPA that was willing to play overseas

DA suggested something like, "all these players have a future with this team" at the press conference introducing the picks - which is probably just General Manager talk. We don't know how good Marcus Thornton will become (he could be a bust) but if he was to hypothetically make this roster I'm not sure there is a use for him and IT on the same team?

Anyway, just some thoughts while I anxiously wait for the NBA season to start  ;D

Re: Isaiah Thomas
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2015, 07:17:51 AM »

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I think he drafted Marcus Thornton because he agreed to be stashed overseas primarily. If he, like IT, ever contributes anything in the NBA, that's gravy. Expectations shouldn't be high for a guy taken 45th or 60th.
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Re: Isaiah Thomas
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2015, 09:06:39 AM »

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I honestly hope that Isaiah retires as a Celtics player.
He has been my favorite player since entering the league and it would be a bummer if Ainge traded him already ;D
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Re: Isaiah Thomas
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2015, 09:33:21 AM »

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I honestly hope that Isaiah retires as a Celtics player.
He has been my favorite player since entering the league and it would be a bummer if Ainge traded him already ;D
With DA as your GM, no one gets to retire a Celtic.

Re: Isaiah Thomas
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2015, 09:34:59 AM »

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I honestly hope that Isaiah retires as a Celtics player.
He has been my favorite player since entering the league and it would be a bummer if Ainge traded him already ;D
With DA as your GM, no one gets to retire a Celtic.
Yeah we definitely saw that with the Pierce trade :'(
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Re: Isaiah Thomas
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2015, 12:14:24 PM »

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IT is an asset, and he makes the team watchable while Danny tries to figure out how to acquire a real star around which to build a competitive team.

I'm grateful Isaiah is on the team because he makes the team interesting to watch on any given night.  I think we'll look back on him the way we look back on, say, Dino Radja or Dana Barros.
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Re: Isaiah Thomas
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IT is an asset, and he makes the team watchable while Danny tries to figure out how to acquire a real star around which to build a competitive team.

I'm grateful Isaiah is on the team because he makes the team interesting to watch on any given night.  I think we'll look back on him the way we look back on, say, Dino Radja or Dana Barros.

Well said .....it's unfair to the paying fan base  to put garbage on the floor intentionally for years on end while you retool. 

It's important to keep the interest up and the team at a certain relevance

I would like to attend a few games where Celtics are winners .  I not buying tickets or injecting money into a " tanking team" . 

Losing for extended years drains the fan base.

Re: Isaiah Thomas
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2015, 02:20:14 PM »

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IT is an asset, and he makes the team watchable while Danny tries to figure out how to acquire a real star around which to build a competitive team.

I'm grateful Isaiah is on the team because he makes the team interesting to watch on any given night.  I think we'll look back on him the way we look back on, say, Dino Radja or Dana Barros.

Well said .....it's unfair to the paying fan base  to put garbage on the floor intentionally for years on end while you retool. 

It's important to keep the interest up and the team at a certain relevance

I would like to attend a few games where Celtics are winners .  I not buying tickets or injecting money into a " tanking team" . 

Losing for extended years drains the fan base.

I mean, I'm not suggesting I think acquiring talented players just to give the fans something to watch is a good strategy.  I can't help feeling like that was a big part of acquiring David Lee.

But I'm grateful that IT is around, even if acquiring him kinda looks like part of a strategy to keep up appearances while the team is still figuring things out, and I'm not really a fan of such a strategy.
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Re: Isaiah Thomas
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2015, 03:58:50 PM »

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IT is an asset, and he makes the team watchable while Danny tries to figure out how to acquire a real star around which to build a competitive team.

I'm grateful Isaiah is on the team because he makes the team interesting to watch on any given night.  I think we'll look back on him the way we look back on, say, Dino Radja or Dana Barros.

Well said .....it's unfair to the paying fan base  to put garbage on the floor intentionally for years on end while you retool. 

It's important to keep the interest up and the team at a certain relevance

I would like to attend a few games where Celtics are winners .  I not buying tickets or injecting money into a " tanking team" . 

Losing for extended years drains the fan base.

I mean, I'm not suggesting I think acquiring talented players just to give the fans something to watch is a good strategy.  I can't help feeling like that was a big part of acquiring David Lee.

But I'm grateful that IT is around, even if acquiring him kinda looks like part of a strategy to keep up appearances while the team is still figuring things out, and I'm not really a fan of such a strategy.
I don't see IT as an asset. even when we get our star or two IT can still be useful.
DA, based on reports, has been after IT for years. so he may actually be one of our "pieces". 

Re: Isaiah Thomas
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2015, 04:33:02 PM »

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IT is an asset, and he makes the team watchable while Danny tries to figure out how to acquire a real star around which to build a competitive team.

I'm grateful Isaiah is on the team because he makes the team interesting to watch on any given night.  I think we'll look back on him the way we look back on, say, Dino Radja or Dana Barros.

Well said .....it's unfair to the paying fan base  to put garbage on the floor intentionally for years on end while you retool. 

It's important to keep the interest up and the team at a certain relevance

I would like to attend a few games where Celtics are winners .  I not buying tickets or injecting money into a " tanking team" . 

Losing for extended years drains the fan base.

I mean, I'm not suggesting I think acquiring talented players just to give the fans something to watch is a good strategy.  I can't help feeling like that was a big part of acquiring David Lee.

But I'm grateful that IT is around, even if acquiring him kinda looks like part of a strategy to keep up appearances while the team is still figuring things out, and I'm not really a fan of such a strategy.
I don't see IT as an asset. even when we get our star or two IT can still be useful.
DA, based on reports, has been after IT for years. so he may actually be one of our "pieces".

It's totally possible that IT could be used to acquire a bigger star, but I really like him and I think he can be one of our stars. He's literally the only current Celtic to whom you can give the ball and say, "Go score," or "Go create offense," and he'd be able to do so pretty easily on a consistent basis. He's a career 15ppg scorer who probably could score 20ppg—as he did in his last year in Sacto and nearly did for Boston last year. Sure, he's a defensive liability, but the team needs to get points somewhere, somehow, and all these defensive specialists on the team aren't cutting it in that department.
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Re: Isaiah Thomas
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2015, 04:42:32 PM »

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IT is an asset, and he makes the team watchable while Danny tries to figure out how to acquire a real star around which to build a competitive team.

I'm grateful Isaiah is on the team because he makes the team interesting to watch on any given night.  I think we'll look back on him the way we look back on, say, Dino Radja or Dana Barros.

Well said .....it's unfair to the paying fan base  to put garbage on the floor intentionally for years on end while you retool. 

It's important to keep the interest up and the team at a certain relevance

I would like to attend a few games where Celtics are winners .  I not buying tickets or injecting money into a " tanking team" . 

Losing for extended years drains the fan base.

I mean, I'm not suggesting I think acquiring talented players just to give the fans something to watch is a good strategy.  I can't help feeling like that was a big part of acquiring David Lee.

But I'm grateful that IT is around, even if acquiring him kinda looks like part of a strategy to keep up appearances while the team is still figuring things out, and I'm not really a fan of such a strategy.
I don't see IT as an asset. even when we get our star or two IT can still be useful.
DA, based on reports, has been after IT for years. so he may actually be one of our "pieces".

It's totally possible that IT could be used to acquire a bigger star, but I really like him and I think he can be one of our stars. He's literally the only current Celtic to whom you can give the ball and say, "Go score," or "Go create offense," and he'd be able to do so pretty easily on a consistent basis. He's a career 15ppg scorer who probably could score 20ppg—as he did in his last year in Sacto and nearly did for Boston last year. Sure, he's a defensive liability, but the team needs to get points somewhere, somehow, and all these defensive specialists on the team aren't cutting it in that department.
I love Isaiah as well. Keep in mind he dropped 19 and 5.4 in just 26 minutes a game with us! For comparison Kyrie was 22 and 5.2 in 36 mpg.

Im not saying Isaiah is better or more valuable, but that just shows how great of a scorer he is.
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Re: Isaiah Thomas
« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2015, 04:59:22 PM »

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I am perfectly happy with Isaiah Thomas as our back-up PG now and in the future but I don't think the future of the team depends on him.  I would also be happy to see him included in a trade for the right deal.

He is good but somewhat one-dimensional so if teams want to, they can stop him.  I am looking forward to seeing IT and David Lee anchoring the second unit.  I think they will be effective together against other second units.

Re: Isaiah Thomas
« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2015, 05:12:43 PM »

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Isaiah is one of the best 6th men in the NBA. Right now his value in the league is pretty high. I really enjoy his attack mentality coming late in games. I like him in short stints, many times a game. 

But, with his style of play, he will become injury prone as his minutes and seasons pile up. You can only go into the teeth of the tiger so many times, eventually his game will be more and more from the outside. 

I'm sure DA will know when to move him for good value. 

Re: Isaiah Thomas
« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2015, 06:26:28 PM »

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Right now his value in the league is pretty high.

It's a little bit hard to believe that this is true considering what Isaiah got on the open market just a year ago.  It's not like he did anything last year that was out of step with what he had done previously. 

The main difference, I suppose, is that he put up the numbers he did with the Celtics while winning games, as opposed to averaging 20 per game with the Kings while losing.

Still, I think Isaiah is on a nice bargain contract, but I doubt he's seen as a super valuable trade asset.
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Re: Isaiah Thomas
« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2015, 07:05:40 PM »

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Right now his value in the league is pretty high.

It's a little bit hard to believe that this is true considering what Isaiah got on the open market just a year ago.  It's not like he did anything last year that was out of step with what he had done previously. 

The main difference, I suppose, is that he put up the numbers he did with the Celtics while winning games, as opposed to averaging 20 per game with the Kings while losing.

Still, I think Isaiah is on a nice bargain contract, but I doubt he's seen as a super valuable trade asset.
this might very well be a case of when a player is more valuable to his incumbent team than to most other teams. what IT offers as an off the bench dynamic scorer is something the celtics need. of course they need other things as well, but IT fills one important need for them.
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