Trade idea..throw a ton of assets at the Pistons for Drum (and maybe Stan J)

[chambers]

This shouldn't be too hard to work out in a trade because everybody is basically on a rookie contract.

But offer up Sully, KO, Rozier, RJ, James Young, possibly Jerebko (they worked with him before. Maybe they like him), the Dallas pick and ours next year, a couple 2nd rounders, a 2018 first, Crowder is on a good contract for a while. Maybe we take back a bad contract.

Immediately give Drum a large long contract

Pair Smart, Drum, and Bradley..and maybe Stanley Johnson....dominate defensively for a decade.

I'm gonna try to figure this out with the trade machine.

  You haven't answered the most important question: Why would the Pistons want to trade Drummond other than "it would be really nice for the Celtics if they did"? The cap is going to expand rapidly and their strategy is likely to be to build around Drummond rather than to send him packing for mediocre picks, rotation players, and unproven young prospects.

We all agree they need to (re)build. They have no draft pick this year and their team is horrid.  I don't think they have the ability to build around him for years. I think he will get unhappy and want to leave. The Celts can offer them a huge jump start on that process.

Teams that are building well...Bucks, Orlando, Celtics

Teams that aren't....Detroit, Philly, Brooklyn, probably the Knicks (jury sorta out on them)

They really aren't a horrid team though, and their rebuild is actually going quite well now after the Josh Smith experiment and Monroe are behind them.

Drummond has no choice in the matter. It's the same scenario as Jimmy Butler last year and Khris Middleton- if their teams want to keep them they have no choice.

Put yourself in their shoes.
If you had Drummond, Johnson and Reggie Jackson all locked up for 5 years, would you trade away your defensive anchor to try and draft another one?

There's just not good enough justification for the Pistons to pull the trigger other than we (Celtics) would really like to swap your franchise player for our picks and role players.

You could actually argue that their rebuild is now currently in better shape than ours:
*Franchise big man/defensive anchor locked up for 5 years
*Solid draft pick in Johnson
*Reggie Jackson locked up for 5 years
*All their own draft picks
*tonne of capspace

If we didn't have those Brooklyn picks we'd be jealous of them.
I do agree that they were going through a pretty rough rebuild, but now that Smit+Monroe are gone they have a nice young core to build around.
Do we have any players as promising as Drummond+Jackson?
Maybe Marcus Smart?

[Eja117]

The Pistons aren't trading Drummond.  Not for our pile of junk.

Just like the T Wolves would never have traded KG?

[Eja117]

This shouldn't be too hard to work out in a trade because everybody is basically on a rookie contract.

But offer up Sully, KO, Rozier, RJ, James Young, possibly Jerebko (they worked with him before. Maybe they like him), the Dallas pick and ours next year, a couple 2nd rounders, a 2018 first, Crowder is on a good contract for a while. Maybe we take back a bad contract.

Immediately give Drum a large long contract

Pair Smart, Drum, and Bradley..and maybe Stanley Johnson....dominate defensively for a decade.

I'm gonna try to figure this out with the trade machine.

  You haven't answered the most important question: Why would the Pistons want to trade Drummond other than "it would be really nice for the Celtics if they did"? The cap is going to expand rapidly and their strategy is likely to be to build around Drummond rather than to send him packing for mediocre picks, rotation players, and unproven young prospects.

We all agree they need to (re)build. They have no draft pick this year and their team is horrid.  I don't think they have the ability to build around him for years. I think he will get unhappy and want to leave. The Celts can offer them a huge jump start on that process.

  They had both Drummond and Monroe and that duo did not work at all. They let Monroe walk rather than trade Drummond which would suggest that he is the anchor around whom they will rebuild.

It's who they WISH to build around. I'll believe it when I see it. And I don't think I'll see it.

[Eja117]

This shouldn't be too hard to work out in a trade because everybody is basically on a rookie contract.

But offer up Sully, KO, Rozier, RJ, James Young, possibly Jerebko (they worked with him before. Maybe they like him), the Dallas pick and ours next year, a couple 2nd rounders, a 2018 first, Crowder is on a good contract for a while. Maybe we take back a bad contract.

Immediately give Drum a large long contract

Pair Smart, Drum, and Bradley..and maybe Stanley Johnson....dominate defensively for a decade.

I'm gonna try to figure this out with the trade machine.

  You haven't answered the most important question: Why would the Pistons want to trade Drummond other than "it would be really nice for the Celtics if they did"? The cap is going to expand rapidly and their strategy is likely to be to build around Drummond rather than to send him packing for mediocre picks, rotation players, and unproven young prospects.

We all agree they need to (re)build. They have no draft pick this year and their team is horrid.  I don't think they have the ability to build around him for years. I think he will get unhappy and want to leave. The Celts can offer them a huge jump start on that process.

The Pistons have all their 1st round picks including 2916.  They just drafted Johnson who looked very good in summer league.  I think they overpaid for Jackson but he's a solid young player.  They'll have plenty of cap space next off season.

You're right. They have the 2016 pick. For some reason I was thinking of the Blazers. They are screwed.

[PhoSita]

The Pistons aren't trading Drummond.  Not for our pile of junk.

Just like the T Wolves would never have traded KG?

I'm going to respect you enough to assume you can tell the difference between the two situations.

[Eja117]

This shouldn't be too hard to work out in a trade because everybody is basically on a rookie contract.

But offer up Sully, KO, Rozier, RJ, James Young, possibly Jerebko (they worked with him before. Maybe they like him), the Dallas pick and ours next year, a couple 2nd rounders, a 2018 first, Crowder is on a good contract for a while. Maybe we take back a bad contract.

Immediately give Drum a large long contract

Pair Smart, Drum, and Bradley..and maybe Stanley Johnson....dominate defensively for a decade.

I'm gonna try to figure this out with the trade machine.

  You haven't answered the most important question: Why would the Pistons want to trade Drummond other than "it would be really nice for the Celtics if they did"? The cap is going to expand rapidly and their strategy is likely to be to build around Drummond rather than to send him packing for mediocre picks, rotation players, and unproven young prospects.

We all agree they need to (re)build. They have no draft pick this year and their team is horrid.  I don't think they have the ability to build around him for years. I think he will get unhappy and want to leave. The Celts can offer them a huge jump start on that process.

Teams that are building well...Bucks, Orlando, Celtics

Teams that aren't....Detroit, Philly, Brooklyn, probably the Knicks (jury sorta out on them)

They really aren't a horrid team though, and their rebuild is actually going quite well now after the Josh Smith experiment and Monroe are behind them.

Drummond has no choice in the matter. It's the same scenario as Jimmy Butler last year and Khris Middleton- if their teams want to keep them they have no choice.

Put yourself in their shoes.
If you had Drummond, Johnson and Reggie Jackson all locked up for 5 years, would you trade away your defensive anchor to try and draft another one?

There's just not good enough justification for the Pistons to pull the trigger other than we (Celtics) would really like to swap your franchise player for our picks and role players.

You could actually argue that their rebuild is now currently in better shape than ours:
*Franchise big man/defensive anchor locked up for 5 years
*Solid draft pick in Johnson
*Reggie Jackson locked up for 5 years
*All their own draft picks
*tonne of capspace

If we didn't have those Brooklyn picks we'd be jealous of them.
I do agree that they were going through a pretty rough rebuild, but now that Smit+Monroe are gone they have a nice young core to build around.
Do we have any players as promising as Drummond+Jackson?
Maybe Marcus Smart?

You also have to put yourself in Drum's shoes. Your team is horrid, and will be for the foreseeable future. Supposedly the 2nd best player on your team is Reggie Jackson. Third is Brandon Jennings (unless you are buying Stanley Johnson, which I absolutely am). KCP is nothing special and neither is Meeks or Ersan.
You're not going to the playoffs.....again.

We are way way way ahead of them with our rebuild.
We don't have the franchise player yet, but we have way way more depth. We have all the cap room they have, a far better coach, a better fan base, and a ton of draft picks.

Do people really see Reggie Jackson as some great player? Like Reggie Jackson is some all star or something? He's a solid player, but I'm not sure I see him over IT.  Or a lot of the other starters at his position in the East.

[Eja117]

The Pistons aren't trading Drummond.  Not for our pile of junk.

Just like the T Wolves would never have traded KG?

I'm going to respect you enough to assume you can tell the difference between the two situations.

Yeah. KG was way better and was more upset at the time. Also he had been to the playoffs one whole time, and wasn't going to be a RFA forever.

[GreenGoggles]

The Pistons aren't trading Drummond.  Not for our pile of junk.

Just like the T Wolves would never have traded KG?

I'm going to respect you enough to assume you can tell the difference between the two situations.

Yeah. KG was way better and was more upset at the time. Also he had been to the playoffs one whole time, and wasn't going to be a RFA forever.

KG was also older and they weren't going anyway. Detriot is a much younger / up and coming team and Al Jeff was a much better asset than anything else we have on our team now.

[Eja117]

The Pistons aren't trading Drummond.  Not for our pile of junk.

Just like the T Wolves would never have traded KG?

I'm going to respect you enough to assume you can tell the difference between the two situations.

Yeah. KG was way better and was more upset at the time. Also he had been to the playoffs one whole time, and wasn't going to be a RFA forever.

KG was also older and they weren't going anyway. Detriot is a much younger / up and coming team and Al Jeff was a much better asset than anything else we have on our team now.

Al J was a better asset (arguably) but we have a lot more assets now. And back then we had enough to get TWO great players. I suppose it's possible Detroit sees itself as up and coming as opposed to how the Twolves saw themselves. I see them as a team with one whole good player and maybe two more solid ones. I see them as years away at best. I don't even see this team as the equivalent of the Pelicans.

[ThePoeticWolf]

First thing first, take Stanley Johnson off your thinking by any means.  He was just taken this year and will be there future star.  As for Drummond it's an interesting thought but won't happen probably and wouldn't take as much as you're saying.  He's only making roughing 3.3 million this year and next year a qualifying offer of 4.4 million.  So before you try to sell the whole team for Drummond wait.  We'd be better off honestly waiting to trade deadline to see if they've even talked a real extension, if not then try talking.  He's a 22 year old center who is what we need, but he's not an all start like Garnett was when we did that trade.  Plus what I think people forget is we did that trade to win that year, because we also had other pieces to win that year.  We honestly don't have the pieces to win now by selling a quarter of the team for one player.  If the Pistons are knowing they can't resign him by trade deadline and are willing to take a few pieces for him, then yeah, I'd offer off a Olynky, Young, Rozier and even a 1st, if we knew we could get him to resign.  If no guarantee to resign then, wait till the offseason and make him an offer and see if the Piston's resign.  If you're going to make a post, do some research, and back up the argument.   

[Eja117]

I think on some level the Celts are victims of their own past success. Teams saw how trading away a superstar for youth and picks didn't work out at all. Teams shouldn't look at how the T Wolves squandered a good opportunity (when don't they?) and come to the wrong conclusion.

The T Wolves. Ironically that is an up and coming team. Finally.

[Eja117]

First thing first, take Stanley Johnson off your thinking by any means.  He was just taken this year and will be there future star.  As for Drummond it's an interesting thought but won't happen probably and wouldn't take as much as you're saying.  He's only making roughing 3.3 million this year and next year a qualifying offer of 4.4 million.  So before you try to sell the whole team for Drummond wait.  We'd be better off honestly waiting to trade deadline to see if they've even talked a real extension, if not then try talking.  He's a 22 year old center who is what we need, but he's not an all start like Garnett was when we did that trade.  Plus what I think people forget is we did that trade to win that year, because we also had other pieces to win that year.  We honestly don't have the pieces to win now by selling a quarter of the team for one player.  If the Pistons are knowing they can't resign him by trade deadline and are willing to take a few pieces for him, then yeah, I'd offer off a Olynky, Young, Rozier and even a 1st, if we knew we could get him to resign.  If no guarantee to resign then, wait till the offseason and make him an offer and see if the Piston's resign.  If you're going to make a post, do some research, and back up the argument.

You mean the research where Van Gundy has said there's no rush to get an extension done because they have months, and both sides have agreed they wanted to wait till after the summer league? I get that the Pistons seem to be in a fine position to sign him at the present time (amazingly), but I don't think they'll be able to accomplish anything with him or keep him long term. I think he's a good enough player that the price will go up with him. When KG was very young it wasn't entirely clear where that was going to go.

Speaking of research do you actually have any? Or does it stop with Stanley Johnson is a better player than Drum that we have to put out of our mind because he had a good summer league?

[chambers]

This shouldn't be too hard to work out in a trade because everybody is basically on a rookie contract.

But offer up Sully, KO, Rozier, RJ, James Young, possibly Jerebko (they worked with him before. Maybe they like him), the Dallas pick and ours next year, a couple 2nd rounders, a 2018 first, Crowder is on a good contract for a while. Maybe we take back a bad contract.

Immediately give Drum a large long contract

Pair Smart, Drum, and Bradley..and maybe Stanley Johnson....dominate defensively for a decade.

I'm gonna try to figure this out with the trade machine.

  You haven't answered the most important question: Why would the Pistons want to trade Drummond other than "it would be really nice for the Celtics if they did"? The cap is going to expand rapidly and their strategy is likely to be to build around Drummond rather than to send him packing for mediocre picks, rotation players, and unproven young prospects.

We all agree they need to (re)build. They have no draft pick this year and their team is horrid.  I don't think they have the ability to build around him for years. I think he will get unhappy and want to leave. The Celts can offer them a huge jump start on that process.

Teams that are building well...Bucks, Orlando, Celtics

Teams that aren't....Detroit, Philly, Brooklyn, probably the Knicks (jury sorta out on them)

They really aren't a horrid team though, and their rebuild is actually going quite well now after the Josh Smith experiment and Monroe are behind them.

Drummond has no choice in the matter. It's the same scenario as Jimmy Butler last year and Khris Middleton- if their teams want to keep them they have no choice.

Put yourself in their shoes.
If you had Drummond, Johnson and Reggie Jackson all locked up for 5 years, would you trade away your defensive anchor to try and draft another one?

There's just not good enough justification for the Pistons to pull the trigger other than we (Celtics) would really like to swap your franchise player for our picks and role players.

You could actually argue that their rebuild is now currently in better shape than ours:
*Franchise big man/defensive anchor locked up for 5 years
*Solid draft pick in Johnson
*Reggie Jackson locked up for 5 years
*All their own draft picks
*tonne of capspace

If we didn't have those Brooklyn picks we'd be jealous of them.
I do agree that they were going through a pretty rough rebuild, but now that Smit+Monroe are gone they have a nice young core to build around.
Do we have any players as promising as Drummond+Jackson?
Maybe Marcus Smart?

You also have to put yourself in Drum's shoes. Your team is horrid, and will be for the foreseeable future. Supposedly the 2nd best player on your team is Reggie Jackson. Third is Brandon Jennings (unless you are buying Stanley Johnson, which I absolutely am). KCP is nothing special and neither is Meeks or Ersan.
You're not going to the playoffs.....again.

We are way way way ahead of them with our rebuild.
We don't have the franchise player yet, but we have way way more depth. We have all the cap room they have, a far better coach, a better fan base, and a ton of draft picks.

Do people really see Reggie Jackson as some great player? Like Reggie Jackson is some all star or something? He's a solid player, but I'm not sure I see him over IT.  Or a lot of the other starters at his position in the East.

You keep saying Drummond will want out. How do we know that?
The fact is that if the Pistons want to keep Drummond, they will be able to.
It does not matter what he wants- they will keep him and pay him whatever it costs.

Reggie Jackson and Drummond are better than anyone on our team.

You obviously thought that Drummond was coming up to become an unrestricted free agent and you made this topic based on that premise.
You don't have to argue with everyone just for arguments sake. I've mistakenly done the same thing with other players thinking they were becoming unrestricted free agents. It seems like Drummond's been in the league forever lol.

At the end of the day if you were Van Gundy, would you trade Drummond for some of our picks and some role players?

[GreenGoggles]

The Pistons aren't trading Drummond.  Not for our pile of junk.

Just like the T Wolves would never have traded KG?

I'm going to respect you enough to assume you can tell the difference between the two situations.

Yeah. KG was way better and was more upset at the time. Also he had been to the playoffs one whole time, and wasn't going to be a RFA forever.

KG was also older and they weren't going anyway. Detriot is a much younger / up and coming team and Al Jeff was a much better asset than anything else we have on our team now.

Al J was a better asset (arguably) but we have a lot more assets now. And back then we had enough to get TWO great players. I suppose it's possible Detroit sees itself as up and coming as opposed to how the Twolves saw themselves. I see them as a team with one whole good player and maybe two more solid ones. I see them as years away at best. I don't even see this team as the equivalent of the Pelicans.

Yes we had the 5th pick, and some young players with high upside. Right now we're really banking on those Brooklyn picks to pan out so we can be in the same situation. Still, we have no shot at trading for Drummond, the only reason they would have to trade him would be that he's in the last year of his deal and has publicly stated he won't be returning.

[Eja117]

This shouldn't be too hard to work out in a trade because everybody is basically on a rookie contract.

But offer up Sully, KO, Rozier, RJ, James Young, possibly Jerebko (they worked with him before. Maybe they like him), the Dallas pick and ours next year, a couple 2nd rounders, a 2018 first, Crowder is on a good contract for a while. Maybe we take back a bad contract.

Immediately give Drum a large long contract

Pair Smart, Drum, and Bradley..and maybe Stanley Johnson....dominate defensively for a decade.

I'm gonna try to figure this out with the trade machine.

  You haven't answered the most important question: Why would the Pistons want to trade Drummond other than "it would be really nice for the Celtics if they did"? The cap is going to expand rapidly and their strategy is likely to be to build around Drummond rather than to send him packing for mediocre picks, rotation players, and unproven young prospects.

We all agree they need to (re)build. They have no draft pick this year and their team is horrid.  I don't think they have the ability to build around him for years. I think he will get unhappy and want to leave. The Celts can offer them a huge jump start on that process.

Teams that are building well...Bucks, Orlando, Celtics

Teams that aren't....Detroit, Philly, Brooklyn, probably the Knicks (jury sorta out on them)

They really aren't a horrid team though, and their rebuild is actually going quite well now after the Josh Smith experiment and Monroe are behind them.

Drummond has no choice in the matter. It's the same scenario as Jimmy Butler last year and Khris Middleton- if their teams want to keep them they have no choice.

Put yourself in their shoes.
If you had Drummond, Johnson and Reggie Jackson all locked up for 5 years, would you trade away your defensive anchor to try and draft another one?

There's just not good enough justification for the Pistons to pull the trigger other than we (Celtics) would really like to swap your franchise player for our picks and role players.

You could actually argue that their rebuild is now currently in better shape than ours:
*Franchise big man/defensive anchor locked up for 5 years
*Solid draft pick in Johnson
*Reggie Jackson locked up for 5 years
*All their own draft picks
*tonne of capspace

If we didn't have those Brooklyn picks we'd be jealous of them.
I do agree that they were going through a pretty rough rebuild, but now that Smit+Monroe are gone they have a nice young core to build around.
Do we have any players as promising as Drummond+Jackson?
Maybe Marcus Smart?

You also have to put yourself in Drum's shoes. Your team is horrid, and will be for the foreseeable future. Supposedly the 2nd best player on your team is Reggie Jackson. Third is Brandon Jennings (unless you are buying Stanley Johnson, which I absolutely am). KCP is nothing special and neither is Meeks or Ersan.
You're not going to the playoffs.....again.

We are way way way ahead of them with our rebuild.
We don't have the franchise player yet, but we have way way more depth. We have all the cap room they have, a far better coach, a better fan base, and a ton of draft picks.

Do people really see Reggie Jackson as some great player? Like Reggie Jackson is some all star or something? He's a solid player, but I'm not sure I see him over IT.  Or a lot of the other starters at his position in the East.

You keep saying Drummond will want out. How do we know that?
The fact is that if the Pistons want to keep Drummond, they will be able to.
It does not matter what he wants- they will keep him and pay him whatever it costs.

Reggie Jackson and Drummond are better than anyone on our team.

You obviously thought that Drummond was coming up to become an unrestricted free agent and you made this topic based on that premise.
You don't have to argue with everyone just for arguments sake. I've mistakenly done the same thing with other players thinking they were becoming unrestricted free agents. It seems like Drummond's been in the league forever lol.

At the end of the day if you were Van Gundy, would you trade Drummond for some of our picks and some role players?

Yes I thought he was nearing the end of his deal, and would be an UFA, and that definitely matters, but it doesn't completely change the situation. I still believe that most players in this league don't want to play for horrid teams indefinitely. I still believe that after their best player we have at least 3 assets better than their next best guy (or maybe as good at worst). And I still believe we have a far better coach. I think it's entirely likely that at some point Drum's agent says to him "This happened before with Van Gundy when he had D Howard and Vince Carter in Orlando. I will never be able to get you good endorsements like this".

If I was Van Gundy I would probably be hoping for the best but planning for the worst. It behooves Van Gundy to see what he can do about jump starting his rebuild and it also is a good time to make a trade like this....when he has leverage because his guy is young and wants to resign, and when other teams have less leverage because Sully is fat, and Smart hasn't totally emerged yet.

If you're the Celts you don't want to be the last team on the train regarding Drum. You want to be the first. How do we know the Pistons just hang up? They've made horrid decisions before. Why are they all of a sudden geniuses for holding their cards now? Shouldn't they have some sort of idea what the market will bear for their best asset?