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Quote from: Evantime34 on August 18, 2015, 04:23:15 PMThe MCW trade was evidence that Hinkie will always make trades where he gets a better asset for a worse one, not that he plans on trading away players if they get too good.That Hinkie would deal a high upside prospect just because he was causing too many wins is probably inaccurate. However, if a rotation player without a high upside started playing well I would expect him to be dealt. The current makeup of the team (high draft picks and boarder line nba players) indicates that Hinkie would deal a player for being too good if that player didn't have star potential. Isn't the idea that the Sixers are going to be bad and stay in the lottery to maximize their chances at a star with a high pick the entire strategy behind what Philly is doing? If a player without star potential plays well in Philly I think it is obvious he will be dealt.Yeah, but all mediocre or bad teams should do that. There is no point in keeping or paying role players, if you don't have your championship foundation in place. That is why, for example, I saw no reason to keep Bradley for the Celtics. He is a nice quality bench/spot starter on a good team, but serves no real purpose for Boston (except as a potential asset).
The MCW trade was evidence that Hinkie will always make trades where he gets a better asset for a worse one, not that he plans on trading away players if they get too good.That Hinkie would deal a high upside prospect just because he was causing too many wins is probably inaccurate. However, if a rotation player without a high upside started playing well I would expect him to be dealt. The current makeup of the team (high draft picks and boarder line nba players) indicates that Hinkie would deal a player for being too good if that player didn't have star potential. Isn't the idea that the Sixers are going to be bad and stay in the lottery to maximize their chances at a star with a high pick the entire strategy behind what Philly is doing? If a player without star potential plays well in Philly I think it is obvious he will be dealt.
Quote from: Who on August 18, 2015, 07:13:03 PMSo I think Philly moving into that 30 win territory was pushed back another year (to 2016-17) ... because they took -- felt they had to take because of his talent -- J.Okafor in the draft.I think that was definitely the right choice, though it does make their road more difficult. Okafor looks like the real deal to me. Not the kind of big man that's en vogue this days, but I think he's likely to be the most productive player in this draft, and the most likely to become a reliable #1 scoring option.
So I think Philly moving into that 30 win territory was pushed back another year (to 2016-17) ... because they took -- felt they had to take because of his talent -- J.Okafor in the draft.
Quote from: PhoSita on August 18, 2015, 07:17:17 PMQuote from: Who on August 18, 2015, 07:13:03 PMSo I think Philly moving into that 30 win territory was pushed back another year (to 2016-17) ... because they took -- felt they had to take because of his talent -- J.Okafor in the draft.I think that was definitely the right choice, though it does make their road more difficult. Okafor looks like the real deal to me. Not the kind of big man that's en vogue this days, but I think he's likely to be the most productive player in this draft, and the most likely to become a reliable #1 scoring option.I'd say Jahill is more of the Brook Lopez/Al Jefferson type player good offense and bad defense.
Quote from: Moranis on August 18, 2015, 04:49:40 PMQuote from: Evantime34 on August 18, 2015, 04:23:15 PMThe MCW trade was evidence that Hinkie will always make trades where he gets a better asset for a worse one, not that he plans on trading away players if they get too good.That Hinkie would deal a high upside prospect just because he was causing too many wins is probably inaccurate. However, if a rotation player without a high upside started playing well I would expect him to be dealt. The current makeup of the team (high draft picks and boarder line nba players) indicates that Hinkie would deal a player for being too good if that player didn't have star potential. Isn't the idea that the Sixers are going to be bad and stay in the lottery to maximize their chances at a star with a high pick the entire strategy behind what Philly is doing? If a player without star potential plays well in Philly I think it is obvious he will be dealt.Yeah, but all mediocre or bad teams should do that. There is no point in keeping or paying role players, if you don't have your championship foundation in place. That is why, for example, I saw no reason to keep Bradley for the Celtics. He is a nice quality bench/spot starter on a good team, but serves no real purpose for Boston (except as a potential asset). Doesn't a championship foundation require a top ten player?That means at least twenty teams in the league should be getting rid of all their role players.Where will all the role players go?
Quote from: slamtheking on August 18, 2015, 02:43:47 PMQuote from: RAAAAAAAANDY on August 18, 2015, 02:28:36 PMQuote from: slamtheking on August 18, 2015, 12:51:01 PMQuote from: D.o.s. on August 18, 2015, 12:37:10 PMQuote from: slamtheking on August 18, 2015, 12:35:29 PMQuote from: D.o.s. on August 18, 2015, 11:28:23 AMIt's not a real rumor, though -- it's conjecture relying (mostly) on the fact that he traded Jrue Holiday at his all-time highest value for the 6th pick as it's basis. That pick, of course, turned into Nerlens Noel, who will probably help NBA teams win more games than Jrue Holiday for the foreseeable future.that and the MCW trade as well. I'm not big on MCW as a starting PG so far but he's much better than who they've had at PG since that deal.MCW isn't actually good at basketball, though, which pretty much everyone recognized (including MCW, who had to field trade rumors on the 2014 draft night, as I recall)I agree that he isn't as good as some people here claimed. winning a dubious (IMHO) ROY award does not mean someone is really good. in his case, I think it emphasized the weakness of the draft class.in any case, he's still better than any PG they've used since the trade. speaks volumes about the quality of PGs they've had.You realize the team was better following that trade right?better is a relative term in regards to that team. that's like having your dog panting in your face and thinking "you have good breath, for a dog". still dog breath.So basically, you made up a bunch of stuff. Got caught not really knowing what you're talking about, and now turn to spouting off insults.Got it. How was the MCW trade evidence Hinkie is going to blow the team up if they're "too good" again?
Quote from: RAAAAAAAANDY on August 18, 2015, 02:28:36 PMQuote from: slamtheking on August 18, 2015, 12:51:01 PMQuote from: D.o.s. on August 18, 2015, 12:37:10 PMQuote from: slamtheking on August 18, 2015, 12:35:29 PMQuote from: D.o.s. on August 18, 2015, 11:28:23 AMIt's not a real rumor, though -- it's conjecture relying (mostly) on the fact that he traded Jrue Holiday at his all-time highest value for the 6th pick as it's basis. That pick, of course, turned into Nerlens Noel, who will probably help NBA teams win more games than Jrue Holiday for the foreseeable future.that and the MCW trade as well. I'm not big on MCW as a starting PG so far but he's much better than who they've had at PG since that deal.MCW isn't actually good at basketball, though, which pretty much everyone recognized (including MCW, who had to field trade rumors on the 2014 draft night, as I recall)I agree that he isn't as good as some people here claimed. winning a dubious (IMHO) ROY award does not mean someone is really good. in his case, I think it emphasized the weakness of the draft class.in any case, he's still better than any PG they've used since the trade. speaks volumes about the quality of PGs they've had.You realize the team was better following that trade right?better is a relative term in regards to that team. that's like having your dog panting in your face and thinking "you have good breath, for a dog". still dog breath.
Quote from: slamtheking on August 18, 2015, 12:51:01 PMQuote from: D.o.s. on August 18, 2015, 12:37:10 PMQuote from: slamtheking on August 18, 2015, 12:35:29 PMQuote from: D.o.s. on August 18, 2015, 11:28:23 AMIt's not a real rumor, though -- it's conjecture relying (mostly) on the fact that he traded Jrue Holiday at his all-time highest value for the 6th pick as it's basis. That pick, of course, turned into Nerlens Noel, who will probably help NBA teams win more games than Jrue Holiday for the foreseeable future.that and the MCW trade as well. I'm not big on MCW as a starting PG so far but he's much better than who they've had at PG since that deal.MCW isn't actually good at basketball, though, which pretty much everyone recognized (including MCW, who had to field trade rumors on the 2014 draft night, as I recall)I agree that he isn't as good as some people here claimed. winning a dubious (IMHO) ROY award does not mean someone is really good. in his case, I think it emphasized the weakness of the draft class.in any case, he's still better than any PG they've used since the trade. speaks volumes about the quality of PGs they've had.You realize the team was better following that trade right?
Quote from: D.o.s. on August 18, 2015, 12:37:10 PMQuote from: slamtheking on August 18, 2015, 12:35:29 PMQuote from: D.o.s. on August 18, 2015, 11:28:23 AMIt's not a real rumor, though -- it's conjecture relying (mostly) on the fact that he traded Jrue Holiday at his all-time highest value for the 6th pick as it's basis. That pick, of course, turned into Nerlens Noel, who will probably help NBA teams win more games than Jrue Holiday for the foreseeable future.that and the MCW trade as well. I'm not big on MCW as a starting PG so far but he's much better than who they've had at PG since that deal.MCW isn't actually good at basketball, though, which pretty much everyone recognized (including MCW, who had to field trade rumors on the 2014 draft night, as I recall)I agree that he isn't as good as some people here claimed. winning a dubious (IMHO) ROY award does not mean someone is really good. in his case, I think it emphasized the weakness of the draft class.in any case, he's still better than any PG they've used since the trade. speaks volumes about the quality of PGs they've had.
Quote from: slamtheking on August 18, 2015, 12:35:29 PMQuote from: D.o.s. on August 18, 2015, 11:28:23 AMIt's not a real rumor, though -- it's conjecture relying (mostly) on the fact that he traded Jrue Holiday at his all-time highest value for the 6th pick as it's basis. That pick, of course, turned into Nerlens Noel, who will probably help NBA teams win more games than Jrue Holiday for the foreseeable future.that and the MCW trade as well. I'm not big on MCW as a starting PG so far but he's much better than who they've had at PG since that deal.MCW isn't actually good at basketball, though, which pretty much everyone recognized (including MCW, who had to field trade rumors on the 2014 draft night, as I recall)
Quote from: D.o.s. on August 18, 2015, 11:28:23 AMIt's not a real rumor, though -- it's conjecture relying (mostly) on the fact that he traded Jrue Holiday at his all-time highest value for the 6th pick as it's basis. That pick, of course, turned into Nerlens Noel, who will probably help NBA teams win more games than Jrue Holiday for the foreseeable future.that and the MCW trade as well. I'm not big on MCW as a starting PG so far but he's much better than who they've had at PG since that deal.
It's not a real rumor, though -- it's conjecture relying (mostly) on the fact that he traded Jrue Holiday at his all-time highest value for the 6th pick as it's basis. That pick, of course, turned into Nerlens Noel, who will probably help NBA teams win more games than Jrue Holiday for the foreseeable future.
I had expected Philly to build off of what they accomplished last season and become a 30 win type team this year. I thought Noel gave them a good foundation to build off of. Another top five pick this summer. Plus hopefully Saric coming over. But Saric didn't come over. And then the draft didn't go great. They ended up with another center (J.Okafor) ... a player who will, at least in the early years, struggle to play alongside Nerlens Noel. So instead of having 2 star youngsters you can start building around. You have 2 star youngsters who both play the same position and can't really play together. So I think Philly moving into that 30 win territory was pushed back another year (to 2016-17) ... because they took -- felt they had to take because of his talent -- J.Okafor in the draft.
Quote from: RAAAAAAAANDY on August 18, 2015, 04:03:20 PMQuote from: slamtheking on August 18, 2015, 02:43:47 PMQuote from: RAAAAAAAANDY on August 18, 2015, 02:28:36 PMQuote from: slamtheking on August 18, 2015, 12:51:01 PMQuote from: D.o.s. on August 18, 2015, 12:37:10 PMQuote from: slamtheking on August 18, 2015, 12:35:29 PMQuote from: D.o.s. on August 18, 2015, 11:28:23 AMIt's not a real rumor, though -- it's conjecture relying (mostly) on the fact that he traded Jrue Holiday at his all-time highest value for the 6th pick as it's basis. That pick, of course, turned into Nerlens Noel, who will probably help NBA teams win more games than Jrue Holiday for the foreseeable future.that and the MCW trade as well. I'm not big on MCW as a starting PG so far but he's much better than who they've had at PG since that deal.MCW isn't actually good at basketball, though, which pretty much everyone recognized (including MCW, who had to field trade rumors on the 2014 draft night, as I recall)I agree that he isn't as good as some people here claimed. winning a dubious (IMHO) ROY award does not mean someone is really good. in his case, I think it emphasized the weakness of the draft class.in any case, he's still better than any PG they've used since the trade. speaks volumes about the quality of PGs they've had.You realize the team was better following that trade right?better is a relative term in regards to that team. that's like having your dog panting in your face and thinking "you have good breath, for a dog". still dog breath.So basically, you made up a bunch of stuff. Got caught not really knowing what you're talking about, and now turn to spouting off insults.Got it. How was the MCW trade evidence Hinkie is going to blow the team up if they're "too good" again? actually Raaaaaandy, that would be you making up a bunch of stuff. as pointed out in a previous post, their record did NOT improve. the stats for offense/defense may have with some changes to their roster taking place (primarily Noel's role) but removing MCW did not improve their record nor was it the only possible explanation to any improved stats.I don't think MCW is more than a back up PG in this league but he's better than Ish (IMHO) and would be better than Wroten (probable PG) this coming year.
Quote from: slamtheking on August 20, 2015, 08:20:09 AMQuote from: RAAAAAAAANDY on August 18, 2015, 04:03:20 PMQuote from: slamtheking on August 18, 2015, 02:43:47 PMQuote from: RAAAAAAAANDY on August 18, 2015, 02:28:36 PMQuote from: slamtheking on August 18, 2015, 12:51:01 PMQuote from: D.o.s. on August 18, 2015, 12:37:10 PMQuote from: slamtheking on August 18, 2015, 12:35:29 PMQuote from: D.o.s. on August 18, 2015, 11:28:23 AMIt's not a real rumor, though -- it's conjecture relying (mostly) on the fact that he traded Jrue Holiday at his all-time highest value for the 6th pick as it's basis. That pick, of course, turned into Nerlens Noel, who will probably help NBA teams win more games than Jrue Holiday for the foreseeable future.that and the MCW trade as well. I'm not big on MCW as a starting PG so far but he's much better than who they've had at PG since that deal.MCW isn't actually good at basketball, though, which pretty much everyone recognized (including MCW, who had to field trade rumors on the 2014 draft night, as I recall)I agree that he isn't as good as some people here claimed. winning a dubious (IMHO) ROY award does not mean someone is really good. in his case, I think it emphasized the weakness of the draft class.in any case, he's still better than any PG they've used since the trade. speaks volumes about the quality of PGs they've had.You realize the team was better following that trade right?better is a relative term in regards to that team. that's like having your dog panting in your face and thinking "you have good breath, for a dog". still dog breath.So basically, you made up a bunch of stuff. Got caught not really knowing what you're talking about, and now turn to spouting off insults.Got it. How was the MCW trade evidence Hinkie is going to blow the team up if they're "too good" again? actually Raaaaaandy, that would be you making up a bunch of stuff. as pointed out in a previous post, their record did NOT improve. the stats for offense/defense may have with some changes to their roster taking place (primarily Noel's role) but removing MCW did not improve their record nor was it the only possible explanation to any improved stats.I don't think MCW is more than a back up PG in this league but he's better than Ish (IMHO) and would be better than Wroten (probable PG) this coming year.Their offense improved by 6 points a game after he left...Their defense barely changed. In what world is that not getting better?
I'm not an avid follower of the Sixers (as you apparently are)
Quote from: RAAAAAAAANDY on August 20, 2015, 09:51:56 AMQuote from: slamtheking on August 20, 2015, 08:20:09 AMQuote from: RAAAAAAAANDY on August 18, 2015, 04:03:20 PMQuote from: slamtheking on August 18, 2015, 02:43:47 PMQuote from: RAAAAAAAANDY on August 18, 2015, 02:28:36 PMQuote from: slamtheking on August 18, 2015, 12:51:01 PMQuote from: D.o.s. on August 18, 2015, 12:37:10 PMQuote from: slamtheking on August 18, 2015, 12:35:29 PMQuote from: D.o.s. on August 18, 2015, 11:28:23 AMIt's not a real rumor, though -- it's conjecture relying (mostly) on the fact that he traded Jrue Holiday at his all-time highest value for the 6th pick as it's basis. That pick, of course, turned into Nerlens Noel, who will probably help NBA teams win more games than Jrue Holiday for the foreseeable future.that and the MCW trade as well. I'm not big on MCW as a starting PG so far but he's much better than who they've had at PG since that deal.MCW isn't actually good at basketball, though, which pretty much everyone recognized (including MCW, who had to field trade rumors on the 2014 draft night, as I recall)I agree that he isn't as good as some people here claimed. winning a dubious (IMHO) ROY award does not mean someone is really good. in his case, I think it emphasized the weakness of the draft class.in any case, he's still better than any PG they've used since the trade. speaks volumes about the quality of PGs they've had.You realize the team was better following that trade right?better is a relative term in regards to that team. that's like having your dog panting in your face and thinking "you have good breath, for a dog". still dog breath.So basically, you made up a bunch of stuff. Got caught not really knowing what you're talking about, and now turn to spouting off insults.Got it. How was the MCW trade evidence Hinkie is going to blow the team up if they're "too good" again? actually Raaaaaandy, that would be you making up a bunch of stuff. as pointed out in a previous post, their record did NOT improve. the stats for offense/defense may have with some changes to their roster taking place (primarily Noel's role) but removing MCW did not improve their record nor was it the only possible explanation to any improved stats.I don't think MCW is more than a back up PG in this league but he's better than Ish (IMHO) and would be better than Wroten (probable PG) this coming year.Their offense improved by 6 points a game after he left...Their defense barely changed. In what world is that not getting better? you've pinned that on just that trade. As stated by someone else, they also changed Noel's role on the team. I'm not an avid follower of the Sixers (as you apparently are) but I would attribute that statistical improvement more to Noel's development than to the removal of MCW.In any case, do you honestly believe MCW, while not as good as some thought, was dragging that mess of a team down?
This has certainly gotten off track, but these recent posts did make me think, why didn't the 76er's go for Muidiay? I only saw a little of him, but it seemed like he looked really good in summer league (as did Okafor). However, having a talented guard is something that would have really helped them moving forward.