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Re: 2015-16 EPL Season
« Reply #150 on: September 04, 2015, 10:08:56 AM »

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Simone Zaza was good enough for Juventus to sign him, champions and UCL finalist, despite having Mandzukic and Morata in their lineup (and paid €18 million to do so, might I add). They signed a lesser quality (but a good one) striker to add depth.

Juventus play with 2 forwards. They need 4 quality forwards to have required level of depth for their desired formation. They need more depth than teams who play with just one CF.

I do not see the interest in Simone Zaza. What did he have last season? 10 goals? The same the year before. He is a hard worker but not much of a goal-scorer and not so good technically. If my club paid big money for him, I'd be ticked off. His Juve manager has already tried to convince the higher ups that he isn't good enough to play for Juve and I agree. If he was available cheap, he could have made a nice stopgap 3rd choice CF behind Giroud and Welbeck but his talent does not justify spending big money on.

Morata was another unproven young player who 12 months ago Juve had to pay big money for to sign a CF. 20 million for a guy who only played minor bench role and regularly failed to take goal-scoring chances in a team that created a huge number of them. Big risk. Similar to Martial signing for Man Utd. Unproven teenager for big money. That risk looks to be paying off for Juve. I am interested to see how Morata does this season without Tevez around but Morata has been plenty impressive to date.

Mandzukic similar quality to Giroud.

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I should note = I hate paying big money for strikers in late 20s, early 30s. They are too old. Cost large transfer fees and huge wages. Have no resale value. The cost of acquiring them is huge.

I thought Mandzukic was a bad signing for Juve for this reason. I was very surprised Juve were willing to spend so much money on him. It goes against a lot of what they have been doing in recent years. Ditto for Jackson Martinez who is a much better CF than Mandzukic. I would have loved to have seen Arsenal sign Jackson Martinez 3 years ago (25/26 years old) but I think the time had passed for that now because he is too old for the asking price Porto were demanding.


And Real Madrid has a 30-35m recompra for Morata which put us Juve supporters in a position where we hope he is good but not good enough for Real Madrid to buy him back.


I'm sorry, but I'm rooting for him to be the top striker in Serie A so Real Madrid would buy him back. This is the only way we can land Karim Benzema. Although, then again, we'd still have to spend.
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Re: 2015-16 EPL Season
« Reply #151 on: September 04, 2015, 01:55:50 PM »

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This is why I'd rather sign Charlie Austin or someone even if it's the same quality than not signing anyone at all because we missed on a world class talent, DEPTH.

i want austin on liverpool in the worst way.  although the brodge probably wont play him the way he isnt giving ings any minutes  :-\  we need goals!  (btw, liverpool supporter here)

Re: 2015-16 EPL Season
« Reply #152 on: September 04, 2015, 03:52:49 PM »

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This is why I'd rather sign Charlie Austin or someone even if it's the same quality than not signing anyone at all because we missed on a world class talent, DEPTH.

i want austin on liverpool in the worst way.  although the brodge probably wont play him the way he isnt giving ings any minutes  :-\  we need goals!  (btw, liverpool supporter here)

I am genuinely baffled as to why no major EPL force put in a decent bid for Austin. He's done well enough for QPR over an extended period of time to merit someone taking a flyer on him. Although given what happened with Ricky Lambert perhaps Liverpool are wary of taking on English strikers who have worked their way up the divisions.

Re: 2015-16 EPL Season
« Reply #153 on: September 04, 2015, 04:07:48 PM »

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Danny Welbeck just underwent knee surgery, and will miss time.

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/20150903/danny-welbeck-undergoes-knee-surgery

This is why I'd rather sign Charlie Austin or someone even if it's the same quality than not signing anyone at all because we missed on a world class talent, DEPTH. Now were stuck with Giroud, Walcott who's so far useless in the front, and Joel Campbell, who's not a Striker.

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It had been hoped he would avoid surgery but after increasing his training workload, the injury to his cartilage did not respond as well as hoped and the decision was taken last week for him to undergo surgery by a leading specialist in the field.

So Wenger knew Welbeck will go under surgery, and yet still didn't bother getting a striker. I call BS if he says there's no one available.

This is getting worse for Arsenal.

If he was called Charles L'Austine Wenger would have been falling over himself to sign him.

Re: 2015-16 EPL Season
« Reply #154 on: September 04, 2015, 04:24:25 PM »

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Simone Zaza was good enough for Juventus to sign him, champions and UCL finalist, despite having Mandzukic and Morata in their lineup (and paid €18 million to do so, might I add). They signed a lesser quality (but a good one) striker to add depth.

Juventus play with 2 forwards. They need 4 quality forwards to have required level of depth for their desired formation. They need more depth than teams who play with just one CF.

I do not see the interest in Simone Zaza. What did he have last season? 10 goals? The same the year before. He is a hard worker but not much of a goal-scorer and not so good technically. If my club paid big money for him, I'd be ticked off. His Juve manager has already tried to convince the higher ups that he isn't good enough to play for Juve and I agree. If he was available cheap, he could have made a nice stopgap 3rd choice CF behind Giroud and Welbeck but his talent does not justify spending big money on.

Morata was another unproven young player who 12 months ago Juve had to pay big money for to sign a CF. 20 million for a guy who only played minor bench role and regularly failed to take goal-scoring chances in a team that created a huge number of them. Big risk. Similar to Martial signing for Man Utd. Unproven teenager for big money. That risk looks to be paying off for Juve. I am interested to see how Morata does this season without Tevez around but Morata has been plenty impressive to date.

Mandzukic similar quality to Giroud.

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I should note = I hate paying big money for strikers in late 20s, early 30s. They are too old. Cost large transfer fees and huge wages. Have no resale value. The cost of acquiring them is huge.

I thought Mandzukic was a bad signing for Juve for this reason. I was very surprised Juve were willing to spend so much money on him. It goes against a lot of what they have been doing in recent years. Ditto for Jackson Martinez who is a much better CF than Mandzukic. I would have loved to have seen Arsenal sign Jackson Martinez 3 years ago (25/26 years old) but I think the time had passed for that now because he is too old for the asking price Porto were demanding.


And Real Madrid has a 30-35m recompra for Morata which put us Juve supporters in a position where we hope he is good but not good enough for Real Madrid to buy him back.


I'm sorry, but I'm rooting for him to be the top striker in Serie A so Real Madrid would buy him back. This is the only way we can land Karim Benzema. Although, then again, we'd still have to spend.

Im always skeptical when arsenal are linked with players because the english media links them with everyone. Every Juve player has been linked with Juve and on our forum we make fun of it all the time, even Marchisio, the one player who will never leave Juve was linked with arsenal lol
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Re: 2015-16 EPL Season
« Reply #155 on: September 04, 2015, 04:35:04 PM »

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Simone Zaza was good enough for Juventus to sign him, champions and UCL finalist, despite having Mandzukic and Morata in their lineup (and paid €18 million to do so, might I add). They signed a lesser quality (but a good one) striker to add depth.

Juventus play with 2 forwards. They need 4 quality forwards to have required level of depth for their desired formation. They need more depth than teams who play with just one CF.

I do not see the interest in Simone Zaza. What did he have last season? 10 goals? The same the year before. He is a hard worker but not much of a goal-scorer and not so good technically. If my club paid big money for him, I'd be ticked off. His Juve manager has already tried to convince the higher ups that he isn't good enough to play for Juve and I agree. If he was available cheap, he could have made a nice stopgap 3rd choice CF behind Giroud and Welbeck but his talent does not justify spending big money on.

Morata was another unproven young player who 12 months ago Juve had to pay big money for to sign a CF. 20 million for a guy who only played minor bench role and regularly failed to take goal-scoring chances in a team that created a huge number of them. Big risk. Similar to Martial signing for Man Utd. Unproven teenager for big money. That risk looks to be paying off for Juve. I am interested to see how Morata does this season without Tevez around but Morata has been plenty impressive to date.

Mandzukic similar quality to Giroud.

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I should note = I hate paying big money for strikers in late 20s, early 30s. They are too old. Cost large transfer fees and huge wages. Have no resale value. The cost of acquiring them is huge.

I thought Mandzukic was a bad signing for Juve for this reason. I was very surprised Juve were willing to spend so much money on him. It goes against a lot of what they have been doing in recent years. Ditto for Jackson Martinez who is a much better CF than Mandzukic. I would have loved to have seen Arsenal sign Jackson Martinez 3 years ago (25/26 years old) but I think the time had passed for that now because he is too old for the asking price Porto were demanding.


And Real Madrid has a 30-35m recompra for Morata which put us Juve supporters in a position where we hope he is good but not good enough for Real Madrid to buy him back.


I'm sorry, but I'm rooting for him to be the top striker in Serie A so Real Madrid would buy him back. This is the only way we can land Karim Benzema. Although, then again, we'd still have to spend.

Im always skeptical when arsenal are linked with players because the english media links them with everyone. Every Juve player has been linked with Juve and on our forum we make fun of it all the time, even Marchisio, the one player who will never leave Juve was linked with arsenal lol
Slightly off topic... although I do not like Juventus they are a club that keeps and looks after its best players. Such loyalty on both sides is rare in football these days

Re: 2015-16 EPL Season
« Reply #156 on: September 04, 2015, 05:56:16 PM »

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This is why I'd rather sign Charlie Austin or someone even if it's the same quality than not signing anyone at all because we missed on a world class talent, DEPTH.

i want austin on liverpool in the worst way.  although the brodge probably wont play him the way he isnt giving ings any minutes  :-\  we need goals!  (btw, liverpool supporter here)

Austin is twice the player Ings is, IMHO.  Crafty in the box and has a surprising skill set.  Has a bad knee, but wouldn't be overused at Pool.  He's a snip at 15 million (release clause). 

Re: 2015-16 EPL Season
« Reply #157 on: September 04, 2015, 06:59:05 PM »

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This is why I'd rather sign Charlie Austin or someone even if it's the same quality than not signing anyone at all because we missed on a world class talent, DEPTH.

i want austin on liverpool in the worst way.  although the brodge probably wont play him the way he isnt giving ings any minutes  :-\  we need goals!  (btw, liverpool supporter here)

I am genuinely baffled as to why no major EPL force put in a decent bid for Austin. He's done well enough for QPR over an extended period of time to merit someone taking a flyer on him. Although given what happened with Ricky Lambert perhaps Liverpool are wary of taking on English strikers who have worked their way up the divisions.

I think it's his wage demands. I read somewhere that he wanted a 5 year deal at around £50K weekly. I think that's manageable but the years are too long, I guess. But I'm sure PL teams could easily negotiate on less years and more money weekly.

Also, I think it's due to his contract situation. A year left means he could be had for free next season. I still think Arsenal should have bought him at £15 million though, that's very reasonable.
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Re: 2015-16 EPL Season
« Reply #158 on: September 12, 2015, 09:26:56 AM »

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Chelsea's crash continues.

Allowed a Steven Naismith hat trick today. Blowing good chances. What is going on?
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Re: 2015-16 EPL Season
« Reply #159 on: September 12, 2015, 09:43:56 AM »

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Beautiful third goal by Naismith. The passing from Everton on the right wing to Barkley leading Naismith clean through on goal. Lovely stuff. A perfect hat-trick for Naismith too. Got himself a header, a left footed goal (long range shot) and a right foot goal (inside the box).

Impressed by the way Ross Barkley has played early this season. Looks back to his best after struggling for form last year.

I wish Chelsea still had Lukaku. Badly need a CF with some pace up front. He was a guy that needed some patience and development .... but Mourinho doesn't do patience & development. Shameful.

Diego Costa continues to look poorly. I don't think he is fully healthy yet.

Re: 2015-16 EPL Season
« Reply #160 on: September 12, 2015, 09:46:59 AM »

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That Chelsea bus seems to have left the parking lot?

So many defensive lapses today, nothing worst than the 2nd goal they allowed when IIRC Aspilicueta didn't even bother trying to block the path of that strike.

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Re: 2015-16 EPL Season
« Reply #161 on: September 12, 2015, 09:51:35 AM »

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Arsene Wenger frustrates me.

Once again putting Aaron Ramsey on the RM role where we've seen that Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain is the best for that spot that we have.

Why does he insist on this?
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Re: 2015-16 EPL Season
« Reply #162 on: September 12, 2015, 09:57:23 AM »

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I thought Mourinho got the team selection wrong today.

With the way Everton were playing (packing the middle), Chelsea needed more attacking quality from the full backs. Instead, Mourinho continues to select his most defensive full back selection possible. Ivanovic at RB and Azzy at LB on his wrong foot. Let Azpilcueta play his proper position at RB where he is actually good going forward and bring in the young guy Baba Rahman to play LB. Please. It would be so nice to have a proper LB again and to get our best full back (Azpilcueta) playing his actual position.

Then the midfield with Mikel in there and Fabregas higher up the pitch. Needed a dribbler instead of Fabregas to deal with the crowd of Everton midfielders. Needed more passing and control from deep than Mikel provides. Fabregas should have been further back and Willian should have been playing. Defensive minded (fear-based) changes in midfield that backfired. They were not a response to dealing with Everton but a fear-based reaction to previous games.

The loss of Courtois looks a big one. Defense shaky after bad start and not communicating well with the new keeper Begovic. Pity Begovic couldn't have been here a bit longer before getting shunted in the first 11. Quality keeper. Just a lack of playing time together / experience together that is causing them issues at the moment. Zouma and Terry looked a bit nervy at times. Probably best to go back to Terry and Cahill for now while Begovic gets comfortable.

The team selection and formation to end the game was crazy. Only one midfielder. Three attacking midfielders and two strikers. Kamikaze stuff. No surprise Everton got a 3rd goal. No control. Just desperation. Forced Hazard and Kennedy to come deep to make up the numbers in midfield too. So most creative players were playing in less dangerous positions. Hate seeing Falcao and Diego Costa up front together. Chelsea have played badly every time they have used this combination this season. You either have to sacrifice how high up the wide players play or lose control in central midfield. Not worth it. Falcao does not enough quality anymore.
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Re: 2015-16 EPL Season
« Reply #163 on: September 12, 2015, 10:06:57 AM »

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Happy to see Gabriel and Koscielny playing together at the back for Arsenal.

I think they are Arsenal's two best CBs.

I think they could be great together. I love their quickness and comfort on the ball.
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Re: 2015-16 EPL Season
« Reply #164 on: September 12, 2015, 10:17:27 AM »

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Arsene Wenger frustrates me.

Once again putting Aaron Ramsey on the RM role where we've seen that Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain is the best for that spot that we have.

Why does he insist on this?

I wonder if Theo Walcott up front has something to do with this. Playing Walcott instead of Giroud. A forward who can move around the pitch and out to the right wing vs an old fashioned target man in Giroud.

A way of counter-balancing Ramsey on the right wing. I don't know. Just a thought.

That it might be an experiment to try and keep Ramsey in the side.