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Chronicling the Kings' dysfunctional summer
« on: August 04, 2015, 07:53:54 PM »

Offline jpotter33

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Just to recap:

April 8: Vivek reportedly quietly promotes Divac to "top basketball official" position over current GM D'Alessandro after mysterious previous position of "vice president of basketball and franchise operations"

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/vlade-divac-is-now-reportedly-running-the-sacramento-kings--because-why-not-003431458.html

June 23: Reports out that Karl desperately wants to trade DMC

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--george-karl-pushing-for-kings-to-trade-demarcus-cousins-051748948.html

June 23: DMC tweets a not-so-cryptic shot at Karl

http://thebiglead.com/2015/06/23/demarcus-cousins-latest-player-to-tweet-about-george-karl-being-a-snake/

June 25: Vivek/Karl relationship "deeply strained"

http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2015/6/25/8846647/report-vivek-ranadive-not-happy-with-george-karl

June 30: Other front-office executive and agents expressed frustration with Divac's ignorance of NBA bargaining and salary-cap rules (due to his almost total lack of experience in this position)

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--kings--john-calipari--kentucky-195614697.html

July 1: Sacramento makes insane cap-room-creating trade and subsequently whiffs on every FA but Rondo, who they overpaid.

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/7/1/8882061/kings-nik-stauskas-carl-landry-jason-thompson-trade-76ers

July 10: Divac admits Karl/DMC relationship "is not pretty"

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/10/vlade-divac-on-demarcus-cousins-george-karl-relationship-its-not-pretty-right-now/

July 26: Divac fires the leading NBA analytics guru in Dean Oliver, who Vivek hand-picked last year

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25250834/firing-of-analytics-guru-dean-oliver-latest-kings-head-scratcher

August 4: DMC, Divac, and Karl take a photo together on Instagram supposedly "mending the fences"

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/04/demarcus-cousins-puts-his-arm-around-george-karl-wants-you-to-talk-about-it-photo/

I cannot wait to watch the Kings implode this year. There are just SOOOO many things that can go wrong on that team that something epic is bound to happen.

Re: Chronicling the Kings' dysfunctional summer
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2015, 07:59:47 PM »

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I hope not, If Cousins wantS to leave than the Celtics may not have enough assets to get him. It's best to hope that they do well, knocking off Dallas out of the playoffs and have more years pass in Cousins contract and then they implode and he'll have more control of his future and hopefully the Celtics get more valuable assets.

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« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2015, 08:06:20 PM »

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I'll be honest I really liked the moves they made from a player standpoint and think they really strengthened their bench.

Re: Chronicling the Kings' dysfunctional summer
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2015, 08:12:52 PM »

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I hope not, If Cousins wantS to leave than the Celtics may not have enough assets to get him. It's best to hope that they do well, knocking off Dallas out of the playoffs and have more years pass in Cousins contract and then they implode and he'll have more control of his future and hopefully the Celtics get more valuable assets.

Ehh, I don't care what other people say, we have as good of a shot as anyone at landing DMC if he becomes available. I think he's most likely to be traded next draft if he becomes available anyways, and a high Brooklyn pick is just the ticket to landing him.

Re: Chronicling the Kings' dysfunctional summer
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2015, 08:13:58 PM »

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I know we're suppose to make fun of the Kings because...they are the Kings..lol, but I think they did a good job this summer considering what they already had. I think with that team it's going to be either really bad or have the potential to have something good.

It's going to come down to if their best player (Cousins) buys in to Karl's philosophy.

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« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2015, 08:24:35 PM »

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I'll be honest I really liked the moves they made from a player standpoint and think they really strengthened their bench.

I'm not as optimistic. Beyond the obvious personality issue problems, I'm not sure how a trio of Rondo, Gay, and DMC will work given that the latter two are a bit ball-dominant and create a lot of their own looks. Also, who is their power forward? Their roster might not be totally updated online, but I'm not sure that they have an actual power forward on the roster lol Neither DMC, Koufos, nor WCS can play PF, no matter what Boogie says. Also, a lineup of Rondo, Mcelmore, Gay, Cousins, and Koufos has almost no spacing, with Gay and Mcelmore being average to maybe slightly above average shooters.

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« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2015, 08:31:29 PM »

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I'll be honest I really liked the moves they made from a player standpoint and think they really strengthened their bench.

I'm not as optimistic. Beyond the obvious personality issue problems, I'm not sure how a trio of Rondo, Gay, and DMC will work given that the latter two are a bit ball-dominant and create a lot of their own looks. Also, who is their power forward? Their roster might not be totally updated online, but I'm not sure that they have an actual power forward on the roster lol Neither DMC, Koufos, nor WCS can play PF, no matter what Boogie says. Also, a lineup of Rondo, Mcelmore, Gay, Cousins, and Koufos has almost no spacing, with Gay and Mcelmore being average to maybe slightly above average shooters.

WCS can play PF. That was the whole point of Sacramento drafting him. That's is what he played in school. And he can stretch the floor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i89E4DyhVU0

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« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2015, 08:55:12 PM »

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I'll be honest I really liked the moves they made from a player standpoint and think they really strengthened their bench.

I'm not as optimistic. Beyond the obvious personality issue problems, I'm not sure how a trio of Rondo, Gay, and DMC will work given that the latter two are a bit ball-dominant and create a lot of their own looks. Also, who is their power forward? Their roster might not be totally updated online, but I'm not sure that they have an actual power forward on the roster lol Neither DMC, Koufos, nor WCS can play PF, no matter what Boogie says. Also, a lineup of Rondo, Mcelmore, Gay, Cousins, and Koufos has almost no spacing, with Gay and Mcelmore being average to maybe slightly above average shooters.

WCS can play PF. That was the whole point of Sacramento drafting him. That's is what he played in school. And he can stretch the floor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i89E4DyhVU0

No, he can't. He never did at Kentucky, and he's not going to in the NBA. There's a big difference between hitting them in practice or on an open floor than in a game.

Dwight Howard has a .104 3PFG% for his career, but here he is hitting them in practice.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?action=post;quote=1941719;topic=80247.0

Re: Chronicling the Kings' dysfunctional summer
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2015, 08:58:22 PM »

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Among all the misses and craziness, I think they actually had a solid Summer for themselves.


What's missing in this Chronicle is how they voided the Luc Mbah a Moute contract due to a failed medical, which the PA is currently claiming they had no grounds for.

So we'll see.

I like their moves from a competition basis.

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« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2015, 09:31:30 PM »

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I know we're suppose to make fun of the Kings because...they are the Kings..lol, but I think they did a good job this summer considering what they already had. I think with that team it's going to be either really bad or have the potential to have something good.

It's going to come down to if their best player (Cousins) buys in to Karl's philosophy.

I actually agree. If it was any other team, they wouldn't be catching nearly as much flak. They basically swapped out Stauskas (who still may one day fulfill his potential as JJ Redick 2.0, but he isn't there yet), Derrick Williams (a bust), Jason Thompson (solid backup big) with Marco Belinelli (already a good 3pt shooter with championship experience), Caron Butler (great veteran, locker room presence and solid shooter) and Kosta Koufos (a better big than JT who's already had success playing under George Karl) all while keeping Cousins, Gay, Collison, and McLemore. I also think the Seth Curry signing was a sneaky good one for his ability to space the floor alone.

Before Cousins got meningitis last season, their starting lineup was good but their bench regularly blew significant leads. Regardless of what you think of Rondo or his ability, they upgraded the talent around their core guys. Not all teams can make that claim of this offseason.
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« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2015, 09:42:17 PM »

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I know we're suppose to make fun of the Kings because...they are the Kings..lol, but I think they did a good job this summer considering what they already had. I think with that team it's going to be either really bad or have the potential to have something good.

It's going to come down to if their best player (Cousins) buys in to Karl's philosophy.

I actually agree. If it was any other team, they wouldn't be catching nearly as much flak. They basically swapped out Stauskas (who still may one day fulfill his potential as JJ Redick 2.0, but he isn't there yet), Derrick Williams (a bust), Jason Thompson (solid backup big) with Marco Belinelli (already a good 3pt shooter with championship experience), Caron Butler (great veteran, locker room presence and solid shooter) and Kosta Koufos (a better big than JT who's already had success playing under George Karl) all while keeping Cousins, Gay, Collison, and McLemore. I also think the Seth Curry signing was a sneaky good one for his ability to space the floor alone.

Before Cousins got meningitis last season, their starting lineup was good but their bench regularly blew significant leads. Regardless of what you think of Rondo or his ability, they upgraded the talent around their core guys. Not all teams can make that claim of this offseason.

Most definitely..They are the punching bag right now (rightfully from previous seasons), but if we had those same players on our team you'd see threads of how we are a contender now and Banner 18 etc..lol.

If they get on the same page it should be interesting to see and I believe that Rondo still has something left in him and not washed up as so many would want to believe. It's up to him how he plays this season out.

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« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2015, 10:52:49 PM »

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what will be the interesting part of the circus will be watching karl coach cousins and rondo. karl likes to control the plays and flow of the game as a coach. so does rondo, and rondo is cousins' friend i believe.

i honestly dont think karl is going to last as sacramento coach through the entire season. too much friction between karl and divac, and, karl and rondo/cousins.

and doesnt philly have their draft pick? boy, let's just call this one "valde and the trainwrecks."  ;D

oh, and tp to the OP for good homework in putting the thread together. thanks.
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« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2015, 11:05:28 PM »

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Among all the misses and craziness, I think they actually had a solid Summer for themselves.


What's missing in this Chronicle is how they voided the Luc Mbah a Moute contract due to a failed medical, which the PA is currently claiming they had no grounds for.

So we'll see.

I like their moves from a competition basis.

Well, the post was more about how dysfunctional the management of this team is between Karl, Divsc, and Ranadive. But sure, I definitely think they upgraded their level of talent this offseason (at least some),but at the same time it came at the expense of two pick swaps, a protected first rounder, and their draft pick from last year that they struck out on. Further, I really think the fit of these players is suspect. I've always been against the DMC at PF train of thought, and as Hwang mentioned, if Rondo couldn't get along with Carlisle and the stable Mavs team, how is he going to do it in notorious Sacramento with a hothead DMC, a play-calling Karl, and incompetent management/ownership?

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« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2015, 11:10:32 PM »

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I know we're suppose to make fun of the Kings because...they are the Kings..lol, but I think they did a good job this summer considering what they already had. I think with that team it's going to be either really bad or have the potential to have something good.

It's going to come down to if their best player (Cousins) buys in to Karl's philosophy.

I actually agree. If it was any other team, they wouldn't be catching nearly as much flak. They basically swapped out Stauskas (who still may one day fulfill his potential as JJ Redick 2.0, but he isn't there yet), Derrick Williams (a bust), Jason Thompson (solid backup big) with Marco Belinelli (already a good 3pt shooter with championship experience), Caron Butler (great veteran, locker room presence and solid shooter) and Kosta Koufos (a better big than JT who's already had success playing under George Karl) all while keeping Cousins, Gay, Collison, and McLemore. I also think the Seth Curry signing was a sneaky good one for his ability to space the floor alone.

Before Cousins got meningitis last season, their starting lineup was good but their bench regularly blew significant leads. Regardless of what you think of Rondo or his ability, they upgraded the talent around their core guys. Not all teams can make that claim of this offseason.

Most definitely..They are the punching bag right now (rightfully from previous seasons), but if we had those same players on our team you'd see threads of how we are a contender now and Banner 18 etc..lol.

If they get on the same page it should be interesting to see and I believe that Rondo still has something left in him and not washed up as so many would want to believe. It's up to him how he plays this season out.

I agree also. 

As far as talent goes, they are definitely a much improved team this year.

My only real concern for this team is a mental one...can the trio of Rondo, Cousins and Karl co-exist in the same locker room?

My first question is the Karl/Rondo relationship.  Karl seems like  seems like a bit of a control freak - a guy who needs players who who are laid back, modest, and who will do everything the coach tells them.  His history indicates that he doesn't mesh will with players who like to ignore the coach, go renegade and take things into their own hands.  Rondo could be the worst player in the league at doing that because he always seems 100% convinced that he knows more than the coach, and his way is better (and it often probably is true).

My second concern is the Rondo/Cousins relationship.  From what I've seen Cousins is an ultra competitive guy who hates losing, and he seems to get very frustrated when he's playing with guys who take games off.  Rondo (again) has a history of taking possessions (and or entire games) off, especially during the regular season.  Cousins is very vocal and seems like he's not afraid to call anybody out if the situation calls for it.  Will the two guys butt heads as a result of this?  I can just see Cousins making a frustrated public comment about Rondo taking plays off, and Rondo holding a season-long grudge for it.  I can also envision those two guys struggling to decide who is the 'leader' of the team - with Cousins being the best player on the team, but Rondo being the more experienced. 

That's not even getting in to the whole beef between Cousins and Karl.  Things like this usually don't just "go away" as peacefully and quickly as this conveniently seems to have.  Feels a lot like two guys who have deep rooted issues with each other, but essentially "pretending" everything is good for the sake of the team.  If these issues don't get genuinely dealt with then those issues can only be suppressed for so long before everything explodes in your proverbial face.

It's going to be a very interesting scenario regardless, and I'm curious to see how it works out.  Sacramento could be a real surprise team if they are able to work it out, as they really do have a lot of talent.

Also in terms of basketball, it's actually a pretty good fit for Rondo.  With two 20 point scorers (in Cousins and Gay) on that team Rondo will find himself in a position a lot like Boston's, where he can take a step back offensively and really focus on his strengths (playmaking, defense, rebounding).  With less pressure on him offensively, there's a chance that you might see his defense step back up to the old-Rondo days.

This is a make or break team i think, could go either way.

Re: Chronicling the Kings' dysfunctional summer
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2015, 11:14:10 PM »

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For Rondo and (now) Assistant Coach Lieberman's part - I hope and expect it to work.

Cousins seems pleased with her hiring. Another good basketball mind entering the coaching ranks.

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