mickey,rozier and rj vs winslow

[Alleyoopster]

I'll take Winslow alllll day. Don't let his relatively unspectacular (but not bad) SL performance distract from the fact that he absolutely dominated the NCAA, especially in the second half of the season when he wasn't nagged by injuries. He is arguably a better prospect than Okafor and it is insane that he slid to #10. That said, once you start adding in future picks as well, including a Bkn pick, things start getting murkier.

Interesting you mention Winslow possibly being a better prospect than Okafor.  If I remember correctly Winslow is projected to play either the 3 or the 4.  This made me reflect a bit about Jordan Mickey.  I gather he's projected to play either the 4 or 5 because of his shot blocking ability.  However, judging from his smaller size he may prove to be a defensive liability down low. Many of the players at this position are bigger and stronger. 

If this turns out to be the case, I wondering if his strength might lie in playing the 3.  A couple things have me thinking this way. 1. he's considered a defensive specialist, so he's probably savvy enough to position himself against these quicker players and 2. he actually shoots rather well.  This might create mismatch problems for opposing teams. 

It wouldn't surprise me if turns out to have a higher shooting percentage than either Rozier or Hunter by the end of the season.  Plus, Jordan mentioned his shooting in a recent article.  Basically saying it's better than advertised. 

The only question I have is, is he fast enough to keep up with smaller 3's.  If so, then he may turn out to be the player we were hoping Young would be.  Jordan doesn't have Young's range, but he'd be effective enough on offense to negate that liability. 

Anyone else think Mickey's potential niche might lie at the 3?

[Tr1boy]

No. I take our 3 vs winslow

Only guy i would trade all three for is Towns.

Danny scored big time

[Beat LA]

I actually think this was Danny's best draft in some time.

Rozier, Hunter and Mickey IMO will all prove to be good players who start at various points in their careers. Rozier and Hunter may become ASs at some point too.

The potential that Rozier has is still underestimated here IMO.

Not sure if it's a typo or an acronym I'm not familiar with...."ASs" ?  (assets?)

Could be wrong but i think he was meaning to shorten "All-Stars"

Yes, All-Stars was the intention--thanks.

actually, i like derrieres better. 

Is this now the daily mail ?

Well, anyway , the reality is that, had we missed the playoffs and gotten the 10th pick or so, we could have come away with Winslow or Turner at said spot IN ADDITION to Hunter and the other guys (I would have gone with Richardson over Mickey and Tyler Harvey over Marcus Thornton, but whatever.  There's nothing we can do about it now.  Sigh.).  Rozier is pretty good, although I still feel that Rashad Vaughn or Delon Wright would have been the better choice at 16, but to say that you'd rather have him over Turner or Winslow is truly absurd, imo.

[Big333223]

I would trade all 3 for Winslow right now. Winslow's potential is just so much higher than any one of these guys and his floor is also pretty high as an athletic, energy guy/defender.

Hunter's shot looks great and all 3 of our guys, based on Summer League, seem to have potential but Summer League winds up being meaningless pretty fast.

[clover]

I actually think this was Danny's best draft in some time.

Rozier, Hunter and Mickey IMO will all prove to be good players who start at various points in their careers. Rozier and Hunter may become ASs at some point too.

The potential that Rozier has is still underestimated here IMO.

Not sure if it's a typo or an acronym I'm not familiar with...."ASs" ?  (assets?)

Could be wrong but i think he was meaning to shorten "All-Stars"

Yes, All-Stars was the intention--thanks.

actually, i like derrieres better. 

Is this now the daily mail ?

Well, anyway , the reality is that, had we missed the playoffs and gotten the 10th pick or so, we could have come away with Winslow or Turner at said spot IN ADDITION to Hunter and the other guys (I would have gone with Richardson over Mickey and Tyler Harvey over Marcus Thornton, but whatever.  There's nothing we can do about it now.  Sigh.).  Rozier is pretty good, although I still feel that Rashad Vaughn or Delon Wright would have been the better choice at 16, but to say that you'd rather have him over Turner or Winslow is truly absurd, imo.

I wasn't saying that. I was saying I think Danny's picks this draft will prove to have been good ones. I'd have been happy to have missed those miserable playoffs for Winslow or Turner. Trading 17 1sts for Winslow is something else, however.

[LarBrd33]

I don't think any of our rookies spend significant time away from d-league this year.  I'm not sure any of them will be rotation players.  A couple might end up NBA starters down the road.  Winslow is someone Ainge apparently believed had star potential. 

I think any time you have a chance to get a player with star potential for a few guys with borderline starter potential, you gotta do it.   Sure, WInslow might bust.  Sure, one of the 3 might go Gilbert Arenas on us, but Ainge made the right move to gamble on Winslow and the Hornets made the right move to turn down that package for #9.  In this league, you always target quality over quantity. 

[Beat LA]

I actually think this was Danny's best draft in some time.

Rozier, Hunter and Mickey IMO will all prove to be good players who start at various points in their careers. Rozier and Hunter may become ASs at some point too.

The potential that Rozier has is still underestimated here IMO.

Not sure if it's a typo or an acronym I'm not familiar with...."ASs" ?  (assets?)

Could be wrong but i think he was meaning to shorten "All-Stars"

Yes, All-Stars was the intention--thanks.

actually, i like derrieres better. 

Is this now the daily mail ?

Well, anyway , the reality is that, had we missed the playoffs and gotten the 10th pick or so, we could have come away with Winslow or Turner at said spot IN ADDITION to Hunter and the other guys (I would have gone with Richardson over Mickey and Tyler Harvey over Marcus Thornton, but whatever.  There's nothing we can do about it now.  Sigh.).  Rozier is pretty good, although I still feel that Rashad Vaughn or Delon Wright would have been the better choice at 16, but to say that you'd rather have him over Turner or Winslow is truly absurd, imo.

I wasn't saying that. I was saying I think Danny's picks this draft will prove to have been good ones. I'd have been happy to have missed those miserable playoffs for Winslow or Turner. Trading 17 1sts for Winslow is something else, however.

My apologies.  I was first responding to hwangjini_1's derriere comment, haha , and the rest of the post was dedicated to the subject of the thread, itself.  I don't think that giving up all of those picks for Winslow would have been a great idea, either, I was more so pointing out our potential yield from the draft had we missed the playoffs, as opposed to making the postseason and giving everything to Charlotte for Winslow.

[crimson_stallion]

he is from duke..

and I still would take him over all 3 of our draftees.

Winslow has atleast butler like potential.

In my opinion Our three draftees are good roleplayers at best.

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The potential that Rozier has is still underestimated here IMO.

I feel the same way.

I would be curious to get a list of past and current players who have come in to the NBA with all of Rozier's attributes (elite athleticism, good and strength at the guard spot, good ball handling skills, good defender, good rebounder for a guard, ability to get to the basket and finish there, gets to the line, ability to shoot from three, ability to score from midrange on spot-ups and off the dribble, ability to create offense, high motor and excellent work ethic) to help evaluate how good those said players have ended up becoming.

Honestly, the only significant weaknesses I see in Roziers game are:
1) Lack of height for the SG spot
2) Decent (but not great) passing ability

There have been a lot of NBA players who have had those two shortfalls and yet have still become very, very good players.  In today's NBA (which has been dominated by scoring guards for some time now) It's difficult for me to find reasons why Rozier can't be a star.

For example if you take height and draft position out of the equation, what skills/abilities/intangibles does Dante Exum have that Rozier does not?

Dante was heavily scrutinised when he came into the draft for both his shooting ability and for his PG skills, so honestly honestly the only thing I see Exum having over Rozier is height.

Yet we all know there have been many short guards who have had very effecitve NBA careers so far despite not really having great natural PG skills (e.g. Eric Bledsoe, Reggie Jackson, Mo Williams, Kemba Walker, Goran Dragic, Monta Ellis, Victor Oladipo).

I don't see any reason why Rozier (given his physical gifts and skill set) doesn't have the potential to be as good as any one of those guys I just listed. In fact he reminds me a lot of a stronger, better defensive version of Monta Ellis.

[crimson_stallion]

I don't think any of our rookies spend significant time away from d-league this year.  I'm not sure any of them will be rotation players.  A couple might end up NBA starters down the road.  Winslow is someone Ainge apparently believed had star potential. 

I think any time you have a chance to get a player with star potential for a few guys with borderline starter potential, you gotta do it.   Sure, WInslow might bust.  Sure, one of the 3 might go Gilbert Arenas on us, but Ainge made the right move to gamble on Winslow and the Hornets made the right move to turn down that package for #9.  In this league, you always target quality over quantity.

I have pretty strong confidence that at least one of our three guys is going to end up looking just as good as Winslow (if not better) by the time this season is over, and that by the end of the season we'll be happy Ainge never made that trade.

This is based on the facts that:
1) I see more potential in some of our guys than most people seem to
2) I see less potential in Windlow than most people seem to

I don't personally see Winslow becoming any better than a Trevor Ariza / MKG kind of player.  Of course I might be wrong, but I watch his style of game and the way he plays, and I just don't see star potential.  Solid starter maybe - perhaps even good starter.  But I don't see any flashes of 'star' there at all. 

We'll have to wait and see!

[RockinRyA]

I don't think any of our rookies spend significant time away from d-league this year.  I'm not sure any of them will be rotation players.  A couple might end up NBA starters down the road.  Winslow is someone Ainge apparently believed had star potential. 

I think any time you have a chance to get a player with star potential for a few guys with borderline starter potential, you gotta do it.   Sure, WInslow might bust.  Sure, one of the 3 might go Gilbert Arenas on us, but Ainge made the right move to gamble on Winslow and the Hornets made the right move to turn down that package for #9.  In this league, you always target quality over quantity.

But the Hornets messed it up and picked Kaminsky. That's what's buffling. From the reports it looks like they were set to get #13 and #16 for #9 (along with several other picks). They mightve gotten Kaminsky at #13 or they couldve traded #13 and #16 for an earlier pick. #9 was just so valuable because Winslow was there, If we the trade happened and Winslow was gone the asking price for the next picks wouldve gone down, hence they mightve still gotten Kaminsky+several other picks. Hornets management admitted they didnt know what to do with all those picks so they turned it down. They also didnt do their due diligence and said they dont know anyone from the #16 range. That's just bad management.

[crimson_stallion]

I'll take Winslow alllll day. Don't let his relatively unspectacular (but not bad) SL performance distract from the fact that he absolutely dominated the NCAA, especially in the second half of the season when he wasn't nagged by injuries. He is arguably a better prospect than Okafor and it is insane that he slid to #10. That said, once you start adding in future picks as well, including a Bkn pick, things start getting murkier.

Interesting you mention Winslow possibly being a better prospect than Okafor.  If I remember correctly Winslow is projected to play either the 3 or the 4.  This made me reflect a bit about Jordan Mickey.  I gather he's projected to play either the 4 or 5 because of his shot blocking ability.  However, judging from his smaller size he may prove to be a defensive liability down low. Many of the players at this position are bigger and stronger. 

If this turns out to be the case, I wondering if his strength might lie in playing the 3.  A couple things have me thinking this way. 1. he's considered a defensive specialist, so he's probably savvy enough to position himself against these quicker players and 2. he actually shoots rather well.  This might create mismatch problems for opposing teams. 

It wouldn't surprise me if turns out to have a higher shooting percentage than either Rozier or Hunter by the end of the season.  Plus, Jordan mentioned his shooting in a recent article.  Basically saying it's better than advertised. 

The only question I have is, is he fast enough to keep up with smaller 3's.  If so, then he may turn out to be the player we were hoping Young would be.  Jordan doesn't have Young's range, but he'd be effective enough on offense to negate that liability. 

Anyone else think Mickey's potential niche might lie at the 3?

Personally, I think Mickey has just about zero chance of being able to play the three.  No ball handling skills, no passing skills, no three point range.   He's definitely a PF/C in my books. 

Mickey would be about as effective at the 3 as Bass would be - that is, not very (IMO).

[Alleyoopster]

I'll take Winslow alllll day. Don't let his relatively unspectacular (but not bad) SL performance distract from the fact that he absolutely dominated the NCAA, especially in the second half of the season when he wasn't nagged by injuries. He is arguably a better prospect than Okafor and it is insane that he slid to #10. That said, once you start adding in future picks as well, including a Bkn pick, things start getting murkier.

Interesting you mention Winslow possibly being a better prospect than Okafor.  If I remember correctly Winslow is projected to play either the 3 or the 4.  This made me reflect a bit about Jordan Mickey.  I gather he's projected to play either the 4 or 5 because of his shot blocking ability.  However, judging from his smaller size he may prove to be a defensive liability down low. Many of the players at this position are bigger and stronger. 

If this turns out to be the case, I wondering if his strength might lie in playing the 3.  A couple things have me thinking this way. 1. he's considered a defensive specialist, so he's probably savvy enough to position himself against these quicker players and 2. he actually shoots rather well.  This might create mismatch problems for opposing teams. 

It wouldn't surprise me if turns out to have a higher shooting percentage than either Rozier or Hunter by the end of the season.  Plus, Jordan mentioned his shooting in a recent article.  Basically saying it's better than advertised. 

The only question I have is, is he fast enough to keep up with smaller 3's.  If so, then he may turn out to be the player we were hoping Young would be.  Jordan doesn't have Young's range, but he'd be effective enough on offense to negate that liability. 

Anyone else think Mickey's potential niche might lie at the 3?

Personally, I think Mickey has just about zero chance of being able to play the three.  No ball handling skills, no passing skills, no three point range.   He's definitely a PF/C in my books. 

Mickey would be about as effective at the 3 as Bass would be - that is, not very (IMO).

If that's the case, then it's not good news.  He's much too light play the 4 or 5.  I'd guess he might be considered a tweener.... not the typical 1 - 2 tweener, rather a 3-4/5 tweener. 

[Beat LA]

I'll take Winslow alllll day. Don't let his relatively unspectacular (but not bad) SL performance distract from the fact that he absolutely dominated the NCAA, especially in the second half of the season when he wasn't nagged by injuries. He is arguably a better prospect than Okafor and it is insane that he slid to #10. That said, once you start adding in future picks as well, including a Bkn pick, things start getting murkier.

Interesting you mention Winslow possibly being a better prospect than Okafor.  If I remember correctly Winslow is projected to play either the 3 or the 4.

Umm, who would ever project Winslow as a 4, lol ?  He's a 2/3 who can probably also play point, at least at times, due to his passing ability.

[Beat LA]

I'll take Winslow alllll day. Don't let his relatively unspectacular (but not bad) SL performance distract from the fact that he absolutely dominated the NCAA, especially in the second half of the season when he wasn't nagged by injuries. He is arguably a better prospect than Okafor and it is insane that he slid to #10. That said, once you start adding in future picks as well, including a Bkn pick, things start getting murkier.

Interesting you mention Winslow possibly being a better prospect than Okafor.  If I remember correctly Winslow is projected to play either the 3 or the 4.  This made me reflect a bit about Jordan Mickey.  I gather he's projected to play either the 4 or 5 because of his shot blocking ability.  However, judging from his smaller size he may prove to be a defensive liability down low. Many of the players at this position are bigger and stronger. 

If this turns out to be the case, I wondering if his strength might lie in playing the 3.  A couple things have me thinking this way. 1. he's considered a defensive specialist, so he's probably savvy enough to position himself against these quicker players and 2. he actually shoots rather well.  This might create mismatch problems for opposing teams. 

It wouldn't surprise me if turns out to have a higher shooting percentage than either Rozier or Hunter by the end of the season.  Plus, Jordan mentioned his shooting in a recent article.  Basically saying it's better than advertised. 

The only question I have is, is he fast enough to keep up with smaller 3's.  If so, then he may turn out to be the player we were hoping Young would be.  Jordan doesn't have Young's range, but he'd be effective enough on offense to negate that liability. 

Anyone else think Mickey's potential niche might lie at the 3?

Personally, I think Mickey has just about zero chance of being able to play the three.  No ball handling skills, no passing skills, no three point range.   He's definitely a PF/C in my books. 

Mickey would be about as effective at the 3 as Bass would be - that is, not very (IMO).

If that's the case, then it's not good news.  He's much too light play the 4 or 5.  I'd guess he might be considered a tweener.... not the typical 1 - 2 tweener, rather a 3-4/5 tweener.

Yikes - sounds like a shorter Jajuan Johnson. *facepalm*

[KG Living Legend]

To light? He's already 242 pounds and he's a rookie he's got a 74 wingspan but the most important thing is he leaves the ground like a bolt of lightning that's the hard thing to find he'll be fine is a big man .