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We would likely have to include our first rounder next year or the Mavericks' first rounder.  This saves OKC a little money 500K, but that is multiplied due to them being well into the luxury tax.  Does anyone know how much that would save them totaled??

I think ET can help them have more of a play-making SG/SF, since Russell and Kevin like to shoot it so much.  ET does not require many shots.

This is a reach and OKC might hang up the phone immediately and perhaps I should just stick with trying to do ET and a 1st for Adams.  But, Morrow can flat fill it up at such a HIGH percentage from long range, I just couldn't help myself:-)))

Thoughts??

Remember that OKC was tied for 24th in assists (I know that KD missed 55 games, but this is still low!!)

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I'm not sure about the trade (OKC turns that down) but I really like the idea of the Celtics going after one of their bigs, whether it's McGary or Adams, and even Collison would be a good addition. OKC has a high payroll and their frontcourt is stacked. I'm hoping Danny puts some feelers out there. Also, I think AB belongs on that team. He would make the perfect compliment to Westbrook in the backcourt, so maybe there's something to work with there.

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I find it a bit odd that, after 50 years of experience, a random discussion on the Internet has led you to discover your purpose in life, but again, you're welcome.

You are truly not that gullible EP.

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We would likely have to include our first rounder next year or the Mavericks' first rounder.  This saves OKC a little money 500K, but that is multiplied due to them being well into the luxury tax.  Does anyone know how much that would save them totaled??

I think ET can help them have more of a play-making SG/SF, since Russell and Kevin like to shoot it so much.  ET does not require many shots.

This is a reach and OKC might hang up the phone immediately and perhaps I should just stick with trying to do ET and a 1st for Adams.  But, Morrow can flat fill it up at such a HIGH percentage from long range, I just couldn't help myself:-)))

Thoughts??

Remember that OKC was tied for 24th in assists (I know that KD missed 55 games, but this is still low!!)

Smitty77


I'm not sure about the trade (OKC turns that down) but I really like the idea of the Celtics going after one of their bigs, whether it's McGary or Adams, and even Collison would be a good addition. OKC has a high payroll and their frontcourt is stacked. I'm hoping Danny puts some feelers out there. Also, I think AB belongs on that team. He would make the perfect compliment to Westbrook in the backcourt, so maybe there's something to work with there.

I totally agree about AB fitting the Thunder.  Avery brings defense (or can when unleashed) 100% of the time, unlock Russell who tends to sometimes conserve energy on D to have energy for his O.  I think if Billy Donovan got Avery and let him once again do his full court press that made him an All-NBA defender, he could truly help their perimeter defense!

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I find it a bit odd that, after 50 years of experience, a random discussion on the Internet has led you to discover your purpose in life, but again, you're welcome.

You are truly not that gullible EP.

Smitty77

Wait, you weren't being genuine? Well, that's very mean spirited of you. Here I was thinking I was serving as your guardian angel of sorts.

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You just turned him into a text-only Beat LA.
At least a goldfish with a Lincoln Log on its back goin' across your floor to your sock drawer has a miraculous connotation to it.

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People really underrate the effect a healthy Kevin Durant will have on their perimeter defense: he was a sub-elite defender a year ago. The guy gets injured one year and people seem to forget that, prior to last year's injury fest, the Thunder have consistently been a title contender with top five-ranked defense.

 ???

Durant, a sub-elite defender?  Since when? 

He's been a mediocre defensive player his entire career - average at best.

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You just turned him into a text-only Beat LA.

Hahahaha, TP

People really underrate the effect a healthy Kevin Durant will have on their perimeter defense: he was a sub-elite defender a year ago. The guy gets injured one year and people seem to forget that, prior to last year's injury fest, the Thunder have consistently been a title contender with top five-ranked defense.

 ???

Durant, a sub-elite defender?  Since when? 

He's been a mediocre defensive player his entire career - average at best.

I pointed out you were wrong the last time you made this comment months ago (to no response and I expect no different here), but here's some relevant links again:

http://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1u8jvo/tale_of_the_tape_defensive_comparison_between
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1941972-kevin-durants-dominance-of-the-nba-goes-way-beyond-scoring
http://www.82games.com/1314/13OKC11.HTM (see the opponent section)
http://www.chatsports.com/oklahoma-city-thunder/a/Oklahoma-City-Thunder-Kevin-Durants-absence-on-defense-an-underrated-part-of-decline-0-11437915
http://bballbreakdown.com/2014/10/14/kevin-durants-absence-will-hurt-oklahoma-city-on-defense-too/

This isn't 2008 anymore. Basically every single metric you can find will show that Durant is an above-average defender at the very worst. Saying he's a mediocre defender is as incorrect as saying Mitch McGary isn't quick.

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You just turned him into a text-only Beat LA.

Hahahaha, TP

People really underrate the effect a healthy Kevin Durant will have on their perimeter defense: he was a sub-elite defender a year ago. The guy gets injured one year and people seem to forget that, prior to last year's injury fest, the Thunder have consistently been a title contender with top five-ranked defense.

 ???

Durant, a sub-elite defender?  Since when? 

He's been a mediocre defensive player his entire career - average at best.

I pointed out you were wrong the last time you made this comment months ago (to no response and I expect no different here), but here's some relevant links again:

http://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1u8jvo/tale_of_the_tape_defensive_comparison_between
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1941972-kevin-durants-dominance-of-the-nba-goes-way-beyond-scoring
http://www.82games.com/1314/13OKC11.HTM (see the opponent section)
http://www.chatsports.com/oklahoma-city-thunder/a/Oklahoma-City-Thunder-Kevin-Durants-absence-on-defense-an-underrated-part-of-decline-0-11437915
http://bballbreakdown.com/2014/10/14/kevin-durants-absence-will-hurt-oklahoma-city-on-defense-too/

This isn't 2008 anymore. Basically every single metric you can find will show that Durant is an above-average defender at the very worst. Saying he's a mediocre defender is as incorrect as saying Mitch McGary isn't quick.

His Defensive RPM last year was +0.15 which ranked 28th out of 64 among all Small Forwards in 2013/14. 

Given there are roughly 30 teams in the NBA that ranks him as barely starting calibre defensively, and likewise his overall rank at his position (with 28 being almost dead on half of 64) is pretty much dead on average for an NBA Small Forward.

If I didn't reply to your previous response it's probably because I didn't see it - I don't check here on a daily basis, so sometimes I write a response to a thread, and then don't come back on for 3 or 4 days (by which time I've long forgotten about the specific thread in question).   

Either way, I have never in my life watched an OKC game in which I have seen Durant play anything beyond average defense. 

I'd also really love to see Durant's defensive numbers before Serge Ibaka became a prominent part of the OKC lineup, and also when he's on the court without Serge Ibaka.  Perimeter defence is so much easier when you have one of the best rim protectors of the past decade so simply direct your opponent towards...

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You cited a single metric that ranked a 37-year-old Paul Pierce, Danny Granger's corpse, Hedo Turkoglu's carcass, and James Jones as better defenders than Paul George, Kawhi Leonard, LeBron James, and Kevin Durant in 2014 in that loose order. You're not exactly proving your case.

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You just turned him into a text-only Beat LA.

Hahahaha, TP

People really underrate the effect a healthy Kevin Durant will have on their perimeter defense: he was a sub-elite defender a year ago. The guy gets injured one year and people seem to forget that, prior to last year's injury fest, the Thunder have consistently been a title contender with top five-ranked defense.

 ???

Durant, a sub-elite defender?  Since when? 

He's been a mediocre defensive player his entire career - average at best.

I pointed out you were wrong the last time you made this comment months ago (to no response and I expect no different here), but here's some relevant links again:

http://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1u8jvo/tale_of_the_tape_defensive_comparison_between
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1941972-kevin-durants-dominance-of-the-nba-goes-way-beyond-scoring
http://www.82games.com/1314/13OKC11.HTM (see the opponent section)
http://www.chatsports.com/oklahoma-city-thunder/a/Oklahoma-City-Thunder-Kevin-Durants-absence-on-defense-an-underrated-part-of-decline-0-11437915
http://bballbreakdown.com/2014/10/14/kevin-durants-absence-will-hurt-oklahoma-city-on-defense-too/

This isn't 2008 anymore. Basically every single metric you can find will show that Durant is an above-average defender at the very worst. Saying he's a mediocre defender is as incorrect as saying Mitch McGary isn't quick.

His Defensive RPM last year was +0.15 which ranked 28th out of 64 among all Small Forwards in 2013/14. 

Given there are roughly 30 teams in the NBA that ranks him as barely starting calibre defensively, and likewise his overall rank at his position (with 28 being almost dead on half of 64) is pretty much dead on average for an NBA Small Forward.

If I didn't reply to your previous response it's probably because I didn't see it - I don't check here on a daily basis, so sometimes I write a response to a thread, and then don't come back on for 3 or 4 days (by which time I've long forgotten about the specific thread in question).   

Either way, I have never in my life watched an OKC game in which I have seen Durant play anything beyond average defense. 

:)

Crimson,

It simply does not pay to argue to EP.  He is always right in his own mind, so don't waste your precious time.  He is omniscient and we simply need to defer to his superior intellect from this point forward.

Smitty77

P.S. I too have never heard KD called a superior defender by any "expert."  Perhaps EP is getting KD confused with KG:-)))

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P.S. I too have never heard KD called a superior defender by any "expert."  Perhaps EP is getting KD confused with KG:-)))

It does require some basic reading comprehension skills and fundamental understanding of how to click a hyperlink, so I understand your struggles, but you can find exactly what you're looking for in those links above.

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P.S. I too have never heard KD called a superior defender by any "expert."  Perhaps EP is getting KD confused with KG:-)))

It does require some basic reading comprehension skills and fundamental understanding of how to click a hyperlink, so I understand your struggles, but you can find exactly what you're looking for in those links above.

Funny.  I tend to learn more by actually watching the games, especially in the playoffs where KD seems to quite regularly choke.  When is the last time you cut and pasted so many links defending a Celtic EP?

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This is fantastic.

Mitch McGary's quicks have become a tpic of relatively significant contention.

Despite the contention, seasoned vet is balling out and openly enjoying the banter w/ another...

but his perpetrator also used "histrionics" as a noun (i.e., versus "histrionic"), which is nothing short of delectable.

Then, true to form, Crimson brought some bombing stats exactly when needed.

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P.S. I too have never heard KD called a superior defender by any "expert."  Perhaps EP is getting KD confused with KG:-)))

It does require some basic reading comprehension skills and fundamental understanding of how to click a hyperlink, so I understand your struggles, but you can find exactly what you're looking for in those links above.

Funny.  I tend to learn more by actually watching the games, especially in the playoffs where KD seems to quite regularly choke.  When is the last time you cut and pasted so many links defending a Celtic EP?

Smitty77

I mean, that's... interesting and all, I guess, but again, you asked for the opinions of experts. You're apparently a fan of statistics and numbers - after all, we had your comprehensive analysis of the minutes Steven Adams played after returning from injury and how many games Kanter started for OKC - so it's funny that you seem to not be interested in the opinion of two very well-regarded individuals in the analytics community in Seth Partnow and Zach Lowe.

Well, not so much funny as it is predictable.


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Also:

Being made fun of in this thread would be an honor & privilege.

Word on the street is your feet stink.