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Re: Jason Thompson to the Warriors, Gerald Wallace to the Sixers
« Reply #30 on: August 02, 2015, 04:45:15 AM »

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Why do the Warriors want Jason Thompson?

Doesn't he have 2-3 years left on his contract?

Probably saves them $$.  He makes $4 million per year less than GW.  He's got 2 years left.  He can also still play a little, gives them depth at the 5.



Saves them 10 million if you include tax savings.

Not a huge fan of the trade for Philly TBH. Swap rights for OKC picks with GS is a meh return for taking money and giving the better player.

You cleared $2.65 million off the books for next year.  Maybe Hinkie will begin to make his moves in 2016.

Not to restart this whole futile argument, but Thompson is a quality back-up big in the prime of his career with two years to go on a very reasonable contract.  If Philly tries to go out next year and get a replacement-level player, it might cost them twice as much at minimum.

This trade makes no sense for Philly short-term or long-term unless you totally buy into the Hinkie plan.

Mike

Between Noel, Okafor, Sims, Landry, and Aldemir (not to mention Covington at the 4 in small-ball lineups), Thompson wouldn't have gotten many minutes, anyway.
Sims isn't on the Sixers.  They let him become a UFA and I don't think anybody has picked him up yet.

And Thompson is clearly better than Landry, Sims or Aldemir.  Thompson would have gone into next season as #3 big and the roster and might've ended up a starter depending on how Noel does at the 4.

It's not like this is a big deal, given what Philly has done in the last few years, and Thompson wasn't going to lead them to the playoffs.  This is probably the starkest demonstration of Hinkie's mindset.  He believes getting A players is all that matters and places no value at all in B or C players.

Mike

Thompson is an absolute scrub.

Last season, Thompson put up 6.1 pts and 6.5 rebs in 25 minutes.  In comparison, Kosta Koufos put up 5.2 pts and 5.3 rebs in 17 minutes.  So...no, Thompson is not a scrub.

Landry is three years older.  Sims, whom they haven't resigned, makes Sully look like an all-star.  Aldemir makes KO look like a hall of famer.

Thompson would have gone into next season as the third best big on the roster and a potential starter depending on how Noel and Okafor play together.  And Philly traded him for next to nothing.

Mike

And all of the guys listed make Nerlens Noel look like Bill Russell. They're silly comparisons.

Aldemir and Sims were place holders for guys with an NBA future. Aldemir is a guy the Sixers think can be a late rotation rebounding/hustle type. That's about it. KO and Sully were mid first round picks.

The Sixers have 96 minutes to split between combinations of Okafor, Noel, Holmes, Grant, Covington and Aldemir. Landry's probably on his way out.

They had a big logjam there despite all the hand wringing to the contrary.

Re: Jason Thompson to the Warriors, Gerald Wallace to the Sixers
« Reply #31 on: August 02, 2015, 06:39:55 AM »

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Why do the Warriors want Jason Thompson?

Doesn't he have 2-3 years left on his contract?

Probably saves them $$.  He makes $4 million per year less than GW.  He's got 2 years left.  He can also still play a little, gives them depth at the 5.



Saves them 10 million if you include tax savings.

Not a huge fan of the trade for Philly TBH. Swap rights for OKC picks with GS is a meh return for taking money and giving the better player.

You cleared $2.65 million off the books for next year.  Maybe Hinkie will begin to make his moves in 2016.

Not to restart this whole futile argument, but Thompson is a quality back-up big in the prime of his career with two years to go on a very reasonable contract.  If Philly tries to go out next year and get a replacement-level player, it might cost them twice as much at minimum.

This trade makes no sense for Philly short-term or long-term unless you totally buy into the Hinkie plan.

Mike

Between Noel, Okafor, Sims, Landry, and Aldemir (not to mention Covington at the 4 in small-ball lineups), Thompson wouldn't have gotten many minutes, anyway.
Sims isn't on the Sixers.  They let him become a UFA and I don't think anybody has picked him up yet.

And Thompson is clearly better than Landry, Sims or Aldemir.  Thompson would have gone into next season as #3 big and the roster and might've ended up a starter depending on how Noel does at the 4.

It's not like this is a big deal, given what Philly has done in the last few years, and Thompson wasn't going to lead them to the playoffs.  This is probably the starkest demonstration of Hinkie's mindset.  He believes getting A players is all that matters and places no value at all in B or C players.

Mike

Thompson is an absolute scrub. Wallace is a scrub. So you swap scrubs and one team saves tax money and gets a 3rd/4th string bench player on a contender AND saves tax $, whilst the other team gets some pick options+ hardworking veteran for locker room. Even if Wallace is waived-which I dont think he will be unless a great dumping opportunity comes up, it's a win. Thompson is stuck in no man's land if stays in Philly and he stays there for 2 years.

It's easy to see how a GM might rather a 2nd round pick or pick swap and Wallace's veteran presence as opposed to % hompson taking petty minutes away from the big men they're trying to build some value in. Hinkie probably wants Crash in the locker room and on the bench like he was for us-our young guys looked up to him.

Actually a really smart move by Hinkie.
Expiring veteran in the locker room vs scrub 3rd big off the bench with 2 years left on his terrible deal.
I know what I'd take.

Is it win-win? The only real plus for this deal is PHI rid itself of a guy who might have hurt their tank-a-palooza. The swap's a long shot with not much payoff. They do get closer to the minimum salary floor, but you can do that later in the season for less money.


It's a long shot for OKC to have a better record than Golden State? Look in the mirror for the Kool-Aid drinker.

It basically doubles the chance a contender conveys a pick higher than expected. Most likely for free...

Thompson was always going to be the odd man out in the Sixers front court log jam. I know you irrationally judge everything the Sixers do negatively, but try to at least look at the facts.

Golden State got the better end of a deal with no downside for either team... There's no winner or loser here.

And having said all of that, I'm not a huge proponent of the trade. I think they could have waited for a desperate injury riddled team at the deadline and kept Thompson around getting minutes to spell Okafor so that Noel could stay primarily at PF. Aldemir is not an NBA player unless he starts drilling 3s, which I'm super far from optimistic on and I'd rather have rolled w/ Thompson.

But to say they lost implies somehow they're worse off after the trade, and there's no rational way to argue that.

I didn't say they lost and it was my reply to the previous poster who thought it "a really smart move by Hinkie." It wasn't much of a move at all. I agree with ESPN's grade of B-. Meh. I think the Sixers could have done better. So do you.

The Sixers are paying money for the right to swap picks. It's not free.  GS is the league champ. They have to be favored over OKC.  Even if OKC beats them out, it's probably going to only be a couple of slots. There's nothing else of positive value here.

They're under the cap floor and received cash in the deal.

So no, they're not paying to swap picks. They're getting paid and having the option to swap picks.

I stand corrected and missed the cash consideration by taking the trade off Twitter feed.

The $1MM cash looks to be the difference in guaranteed salaries between the two players. Thus PHI gets swap rights for nothing if OKC or MIA end up with a better record than OKC who won 67 games last year. Still a long shot barring a major injury for GSW and none for OKC or MIA, both whom have major players with major injuries trying to return to form. The player swap is irrelevant to the Sixers.

Still, a minimal return to facilitate a deal that got GSW tax savings and a rotation player at a position of need. Hinkie generally does better than this on his deals, so it's not clear why he did not take a chance at getting more for Thompson at the trade deadline or haggle for more. The Sixers look to have been the only possible trade partner for the Warriors who would be willing to take on Wallace and trade a player GSW could actually use.

Re: Jason Thompson to the Warriors, Gerald Wallace to the Sixers
« Reply #32 on: August 02, 2015, 08:14:25 AM »

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Mr Wallace ,  how do you ..plea...?

NOT GUiLTY ....Sir


Too bad .. :D


Your banished to NBA purgatory ....for the rest of your NBA days .....it will be the 76 ers for you !

Screams .......of agony ...Nooooooooooo......please ...mercy


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Re: Jason Thompson to the Warriors, Gerald Wallace to the Sixers
« Reply #33 on: August 02, 2015, 08:20:22 AM »

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Oh no, now Wallace will tell the 76ers all our secret plays!


Not to worry

He wouldn't know about something ....he never was a part of. ... ;)

Re: Jason Thompson to the Warriors, Gerald Wallace to the Sixers
« Reply #34 on: August 02, 2015, 08:52:32 AM »

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Why do the Warriors want Jason Thompson?

Doesn't he have 2-3 years left on his contract?

Probably saves them $$.  He makes $4 million per year less than GW.  He's got 2 years left.  He can also still play a little, gives them depth at the 5.



Saves them 10 million if you include tax savings.

Not a huge fan of the trade for Philly TBH. Swap rights for OKC picks with GS is a meh return for taking money and giving the better player.

You cleared $2.65 million off the books for next year.  Maybe Hinkie will begin to make his moves in 2016.

Not to restart this whole futile argument, but Thompson is a quality back-up big in the prime of his career with two years to go on a very reasonable contract.  If Philly tries to go out next year and get a replacement-level player, it might cost them twice as much at minimum.

This trade makes no sense for Philly short-term or long-term unless you totally buy into the Hinkie plan.

Mike

Between Noel, Okafor, Sims, Landry, and Aldemir (not to mention Covington at the 4 in small-ball lineups), Thompson wouldn't have gotten many minutes, anyway.
Sims isn't on the Sixers.  They let him become a UFA and I don't think anybody has picked him up yet.

And Thompson is clearly better than Landry, Sims or Aldemir.  Thompson would have gone into next season as #3 big and the roster and might've ended up a starter depending on how Noel does at the 4.

It's not like this is a big deal, given what Philly has done in the last few years, and Thompson wasn't going to lead them to the playoffs.  This is probably the starkest demonstration of Hinkie's mindset.  He believes getting A players is all that matters and places no value at all in B or C players.

Mike

Thompson is an absolute scrub.

Last season, Thompson put up 6.1 pts and 6.5 rebs in 25 minutes.  In comparison, Kosta Koufos put up 5.2 pts and 5.3 rebs in 17 minutes.  So...no, Thompson is not a scrub.

Landry is three years older.  Sims, whom they haven't resigned, makes Sully look like an all-star.  Aldemir makes KO look like a hall of famer.

Thompson would have gone into next season as the third best big on the roster and a potential starter depending on how Noel and Okafor play together.  And Philly traded him for next to nothing.

Mike

And all of the guys listed make Nerlens Noel look like Bill Russell. They're silly comparisons.

Aldemir and Sims were place holders for guys with an NBA future. Aldemir is a guy the Sixers think can be a late rotation rebounding/hustle type. That's about it. KO and Sully were mid first round picks.

The Sixers have 96 minutes to split between combinations of Okafor, Noel, Holmes, Grant, Covington and Aldemir. Landry's probably on his way out.

They had a big logjam there despite all the hand wringing to the contrary.

Again, Thompson would be the third best big on the Sixer roster.  He's also just 28 with at least 3 to 4 years left as a productive NBA player.  What is the logic in trading him away and keeping players who, by your standards, are worse than scrubs?  How long is this "process" going to last in Philly?  Five years?  Ten?

And again, this isn't a big deal considering everything else Hinkie has done.  I was just struck by how this deal illustrates an aspect of the Hinkie philosophy that doesn't get a lot of attention.

Mike

Warriors trade Wallace to the 76ers for Jason Thompson
« Reply #35 on: August 04, 2015, 12:44:57 AM »

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Might this have been a better trade for the Celtics.  In other words Wallace for Thompson instead of Wallace for Lee?  Maybe this would not have been possible because of when these trades took place?  I don't know the particulars. 

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/238923/Warriors-Acquire-Jason-Thompson-From-76ers-For-Gerald-Wallace

http://bluemanhoop.com/2015/08/02/golden-state-warriors-jason-thompson-brings-grit-depth/

Thompson is a lot younger and perhaps has more upside than Lee on a long-term basis. 

Re: Jason Thompson to the Warriors, Gerald Wallace to the Sixers
« Reply #36 on: August 04, 2015, 04:57:24 AM »

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Why do the Warriors want Jason Thompson?

Doesn't he have 2-3 years left on his contract?

Probably saves them $$.  He makes $4 million per year less than GW.  He's got 2 years left.  He can also still play a little, gives them depth at the 5.



Saves them 10 million if you include tax savings.

Not a huge fan of the trade for Philly TBH. Swap rights for OKC picks with GS is a meh return for taking money and giving the better player.

You cleared $2.65 million off the books for next year.  Maybe Hinkie will begin to make his moves in 2016.

Not to restart this whole futile argument, but Thompson is a quality back-up big in the prime of his career with two years to go on a very reasonable contract.  If Philly tries to go out next year and get a replacement-level player, it might cost them twice as much at minimum.

This trade makes no sense for Philly short-term or long-term unless you totally buy into the Hinkie plan.

Mike

Between Noel, Okafor, Sims, Landry, and Aldemir (not to mention Covington at the 4 in small-ball lineups), Thompson wouldn't have gotten many minutes, anyway.
Sims isn't on the Sixers.  They let him become a UFA and I don't think anybody has picked him up yet.

And Thompson is clearly better than Landry, Sims or Aldemir.  Thompson would have gone into next season as #3 big and the roster and might've ended up a starter depending on how Noel does at the 4.

It's not like this is a big deal, given what Philly has done in the last few years, and Thompson wasn't going to lead them to the playoffs.  This is probably the starkest demonstration of Hinkie's mindset.  He believes getting A players is all that matters and places no value at all in B or C players.

Mike

Thompson is an absolute scrub.

Last season, Thompson put up 6.1 pts and 6.5 rebs in 25 minutes.  In comparison, Kosta Koufos put up 5.2 pts and 5.3 rebs in 17 minutes.  So...no, Thompson is not a scrub.

Landry is three years older.  Sims, whom they haven't resigned, makes Sully look like an all-star.  Aldemir makes KO look like a hall of famer.

Thompson would have gone into next season as the third best big on the roster and a potential starter depending on how Noel and Okafor play together.  And Philly traded him for next to nothing.

Mike

And all of the guys listed make Nerlens Noel look like Bill Russell. They're silly comparisons.

Aldemir and Sims were place holders for guys with an NBA future. Aldemir is a guy the Sixers think can be a late rotation rebounding/hustle type. That's about it. KO and Sully were mid first round picks.

The Sixers have 96 minutes to split between combinations of Okafor, Noel, Holmes, Grant, Covington and Aldemir. Landry's probably on his way out.

They had a big logjam there despite all the hand wringing to the contrary.

Again, Thompson would be the third best big on the Sixer roster.  He's also just 28 with at least 3 to 4 years left as a productive NBA player.  What is the logic in trading him away and keeping players who, by your standards, are worse than scrubs?  How long is this "process" going to last in Philly?  Five years?  Ten?

And again, this isn't a big deal considering everything else Hinkie has done.  I was just struck by how this deal illustrates an aspect of the Hinkie philosophy that doesn't get a lot of attention.

Mike

Hinkie doesn't ignore B and C players. Hinkie ignores B and C players paid at market levels. Jason Thompson is a journeyman paid like a bench big. He's also too old for the window of contention. Basically he's too old and expensive to make any sense keeping. And he's also not good enough to justify keeping long term, basically he's a no upside depth piece. Rebuilding teams have no reason to sign no upside depth pieces. Every single player I listed has a clear path to being a better player than Thompson.

Hinkie's best find in sifting through FAs is a guy who'll probably top out as a good B level player.

As far as how long will it take... We'll be in playoff contention next year I suspect.

How long is the C's rebuild going to take? Both of these teams still have no idea who the best player on their next title team is, and until you figure that out you're not a contender.

Re: Jason Thompson to the Warriors, Gerald Wallace to the Sixers
« Reply #37 on: August 04, 2015, 07:29:17 AM »

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Why do the Warriors want Jason Thompson?

Doesn't he have 2-3 years left on his contract?

Probably saves them $$.  He makes $4 million per year less than GW.  He's got 2 years left.  He can also still play a little, gives them depth at the 5.



Saves them 10 million if you include tax savings.

Not a huge fan of the trade for Philly TBH. Swap rights for OKC picks with GS is a meh return for taking money and giving the better player.

You cleared $2.65 million off the books for next year.  Maybe Hinkie will begin to make his moves in 2016.

Not to restart this whole futile argument, but Thompson is a quality back-up big in the prime of his career with two years to go on a very reasonable contract.  If Philly tries to go out next year and get a replacement-level player, it might cost them twice as much at minimum.

This trade makes no sense for Philly short-term or long-term unless you totally buy into the Hinkie plan.

Mike

Between Noel, Okafor, Sims, Landry, and Aldemir (not to mention Covington at the 4 in small-ball lineups), Thompson wouldn't have gotten many minutes, anyway.
Sims isn't on the Sixers.  They let him become a UFA and I don't think anybody has picked him up yet.

And Thompson is clearly better than Landry, Sims or Aldemir.  Thompson would have gone into next season as #3 big and the roster and might've ended up a starter depending on how Noel does at the 4.

It's not like this is a big deal, given what Philly has done in the last few years, and Thompson wasn't going to lead them to the playoffs.  This is probably the starkest demonstration of Hinkie's mindset.  He believes getting A players is all that matters and places no value at all in B or C players.

Mike

Thompson is an absolute scrub.

Last season, Thompson put up 6.1 pts and 6.5 rebs in 25 minutes.  In comparison, Kosta Koufos put up 5.2 pts and 5.3 rebs in 17 minutes.  So...no, Thompson is not a scrub.

Landry is three years older.  Sims, whom they haven't resigned, makes Sully look like an all-star.  Aldemir makes KO look like a hall of famer.

Thompson would have gone into next season as the third best big on the roster and a potential starter depending on how Noel and Okafor play together.  And Philly traded him for next to nothing.

Mike

And all of the guys listed make Nerlens Noel look like Bill Russell. They're silly comparisons.

Aldemir and Sims were place holders for guys with an NBA future. Aldemir is a guy the Sixers think can be a late rotation rebounding/hustle type. That's about it. KO and Sully were mid first round picks.

The Sixers have 96 minutes to split between combinations of Okafor, Noel, Holmes, Grant, Covington and Aldemir. Landry's probably on his way out.

They had a big logjam there despite all the hand wringing to the contrary.

Again, Thompson would be the third best big on the Sixer roster.  He's also just 28 with at least 3 to 4 years left as a productive NBA player.  What is the logic in trading him away and keeping players who, by your standards, are worse than scrubs?  How long is this "process" going to last in Philly?  Five years?  Ten?

And again, this isn't a big deal considering everything else Hinkie has done.  I was just struck by how this deal illustrates an aspect of the Hinkie philosophy that doesn't get a lot of attention.

Mike

Hinkie doesn't ignore B and C players. Hinkie ignores B and C players paid at market levels. Jason Thompson is a journeyman paid like a bench big. He's also too old for the window of contention. Basically he's too old and expensive to make any sense keeping. And he's also not good enough to justify keeping long term, basically he's a no upside depth piece. Rebuilding teams have no reason to sign no upside depth pieces. Every single player I listed has a clear path to being a better player than Thompson.

Hinkie's best find in sifting through FAs is a guy who'll probably top out as a good B level player.

As far as how long will it take... We'll be in playoff contention next year I suspect.

How long is the C's rebuild going to take? Both of these teams still have no idea who the best player on their next title team is, and until you figure that out you're not a contender.

We being who? The Sixers?

Re: Jason Thompson to the Warriors, Gerald Wallace to the Sixers
« Reply #38 on: August 04, 2015, 08:20:06 AM »

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Hinkie doesn't ignore B and C players. Hinkie ignores B and C players paid at market levels. Jason Thompson is a journeyman paid like a bench big. He's also too old for the window of contention. Basically he's too old and expensive to make any sense keeping. And he's also not good enough to justify keeping long term, basically he's a no upside depth piece. Rebuilding teams have no reason to sign no upside depth pieces. Every single player I listed has a clear path to being a better player than Thompson.

Hinkie's best find in sifting through FAs is a guy who'll probably top out as a good B level player.

As far as how long will it take... We'll be in playoff contention next year I suspect.

How long is the C's rebuild going to take? Both of these teams still have no idea who the best player on their next title team is, and until you figure that out you're not a contender.

We being who? The Sixers?

Yes.  Raaaaaaaaaaaaaandy is an actual Sixers fan on the board (as opposed to some posters here who are accused of being Sixers fans due to Hinkie discipleship).

Re: Jason Thompson to the Warriors, Gerald Wallace to the Sixers
« Reply #39 on: August 04, 2015, 08:29:32 AM »

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Yes.

I suspect the 2016-17 Sixers will be a 35-40 win team nipping at the back end of the Eastern Conference playoffs.

Re: Jason Thompson to the Warriors, Gerald Wallace to the Sixers
« Reply #40 on: August 04, 2015, 08:50:33 AM »

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Why do the Warriors want Jason Thompson?

Doesn't he have 2-3 years left on his contract?

Probably saves them $$.  He makes $4 million per year less than GW.  He's got 2 years left.  He can also still play a little, gives them depth at the 5.



Saves them 10 million if you include tax savings.

Not a huge fan of the trade for Philly TBH. Swap rights for OKC picks with GS is a meh return for taking money and giving the better player.

You cleared $2.65 million off the books for next year.  Maybe Hinkie will begin to make his moves in 2016.

Not to restart this whole futile argument, but Thompson is a quality back-up big in the prime of his career with two years to go on a very reasonable contract.  If Philly tries to go out next year and get a replacement-level player, it might cost them twice as much at minimum.

This trade makes no sense for Philly short-term or long-term unless you totally buy into the Hinkie plan.

Mike

Between Noel, Okafor, Sims, Landry, and Aldemir (not to mention Covington at the 4 in small-ball lineups), Thompson wouldn't have gotten many minutes, anyway.
Sims isn't on the Sixers.  They let him become a UFA and I don't think anybody has picked him up yet.

And Thompson is clearly better than Landry, Sims or Aldemir.  Thompson would have gone into next season as #3 big and the roster and might've ended up a starter depending on how Noel does at the 4.

It's not like this is a big deal, given what Philly has done in the last few years, and Thompson wasn't going to lead them to the playoffs.  This is probably the starkest demonstration of Hinkie's mindset.  He believes getting A players is all that matters and places no value at all in B or C players.

Mike

Thompson is an absolute scrub.

Last season, Thompson put up 6.1 pts and 6.5 rebs in 25 minutes.  In comparison, Kosta Koufos put up 5.2 pts and 5.3 rebs in 17 minutes.  So...no, Thompson is not a scrub.

Landry is three years older.  Sims, whom they haven't resigned, makes Sully look like an all-star.  Aldemir makes KO look like a hall of famer.

Thompson would have gone into next season as the third best big on the roster and a potential starter depending on how Noel and Okafor play together.  And Philly traded him for next to nothing.

Mike

And all of the guys listed make Nerlens Noel look like Bill Russell. They're silly comparisons.

Aldemir and Sims were place holders for guys with an NBA future. Aldemir is a guy the Sixers think can be a late rotation rebounding/hustle type. That's about it. KO and Sully were mid first round picks.

The Sixers have 96 minutes to split between combinations of Okafor, Noel, Holmes, Grant, Covington and Aldemir. Landry's probably on his way out.

They had a big logjam there despite all the hand wringing to the contrary.

Again, Thompson would be the third best big on the Sixer roster.  He's also just 28 with at least 3 to 4 years left as a productive NBA player.  What is the logic in trading him away and keeping players who, by your standards, are worse than scrubs?  How long is this "process" going to last in Philly?  Five years?  Ten?

And again, this isn't a big deal considering everything else Hinkie has done.  I was just struck by how this deal illustrates an aspect of the Hinkie philosophy that doesn't get a lot of attention.

Mike

Hinkie doesn't ignore B and C players. Hinkie ignores B and C players paid at market levels. Jason Thompson is a journeyman paid like a bench big. He's also too old for the window of contention. Basically he's too old and expensive to make any sense keeping. And he's also not good enough to justify keeping long term, basically he's a no upside depth piece. Rebuilding teams have no reason to sign no upside depth pieces. Every single player I listed has a clear path to being a better player than Thompson.

Hinkie's best find in sifting through FAs is a guy who'll probably top out as a good B level player.

As far as how long will it take... We'll be in playoff contention next year I suspect.

How long is the C's rebuild going to take? Both of these teams still have no idea who the best player on their next title team is, and until you figure that out you're not a contender.

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Playoff contention next year?

LOL

Re: Jason Thompson to the Warriors, Gerald Wallace to the Sixers
« Reply #41 on: August 04, 2015, 09:28:12 AM »

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Why do the Warriors want Jason Thompson?

Doesn't he have 2-3 years left on his contract?

Probably saves them $$.  He makes $4 million per year less than GW.  He's got 2 years left.  He can also still play a little, gives them depth at the 5.



Saves them 10 million if you include tax savings.

Not a huge fan of the trade for Philly TBH. Swap rights for OKC picks with GS is a meh return for taking money and giving the better player.

You cleared $2.65 million off the books for next year.  Maybe Hinkie will begin to make his moves in 2016.

Not to restart this whole futile argument, but Thompson is a quality back-up big in the prime of his career with two years to go on a very reasonable contract.  If Philly tries to go out next year and get a replacement-level player, it might cost them twice as much at minimum.

This trade makes no sense for Philly short-term or long-term unless you totally buy into the Hinkie plan.

Mike

Between Noel, Okafor, Sims, Landry, and Aldemir (not to mention Covington at the 4 in small-ball lineups), Thompson wouldn't have gotten many minutes, anyway.
Sims isn't on the Sixers.  They let him become a UFA and I don't think anybody has picked him up yet.

And Thompson is clearly better than Landry, Sims or Aldemir.  Thompson would have gone into next season as #3 big and the roster and might've ended up a starter depending on how Noel does at the 4.

It's not like this is a big deal, given what Philly has done in the last few years, and Thompson wasn't going to lead them to the playoffs.  This is probably the starkest demonstration of Hinkie's mindset.  He believes getting A players is all that matters and places no value at all in B or C players.

Mike

Thompson is an absolute scrub.

Last season, Thompson put up 6.1 pts and 6.5 rebs in 25 minutes.  In comparison, Kosta Koufos put up 5.2 pts and 5.3 rebs in 17 minutes.  So...no, Thompson is not a scrub.

Landry is three years older.  Sims, whom they haven't resigned, makes Sully look like an all-star.  Aldemir makes KO look like a hall of famer.

Thompson would have gone into next season as the third best big on the roster and a potential starter depending on how Noel and Okafor play together.  And Philly traded him for next to nothing.

Mike

And all of the guys listed make Nerlens Noel look like Bill Russell. They're silly comparisons.

Aldemir and Sims were place holders for guys with an NBA future. Aldemir is a guy the Sixers think can be a late rotation rebounding/hustle type. That's about it. KO and Sully were mid first round picks.

The Sixers have 96 minutes to split between combinations of Okafor, Noel, Holmes, Grant, Covington and Aldemir. Landry's probably on his way out.

They had a big logjam there despite all the hand wringing to the contrary.

Again, Thompson would be the third best big on the Sixer roster.  He's also just 28 with at least 3 to 4 years left as a productive NBA player.  What is the logic in trading him away and keeping players who, by your standards, are worse than scrubs?  How long is this "process" going to last in Philly?  Five years?  Ten?

And again, this isn't a big deal considering everything else Hinkie has done.  I was just struck by how this deal illustrates an aspect of the Hinkie philosophy that doesn't get a lot of attention.

Mike

Hinkie doesn't ignore B and C players. Hinkie ignores B and C players paid at market levels. Jason Thompson is a journeyman paid like a bench big. He's also too old for the window of contention. Basically he's too old and expensive to make any sense keeping. And he's also not good enough to justify keeping long term, basically he's a no upside depth piece. Rebuilding teams have no reason to sign no upside depth pieces. Every single player I listed has a clear path to being a better player than Thompson.

Hinkie's best find in sifting through FAs is a guy who'll probably top out as a good B level player.

As far as how long will it take... We'll be in playoff contention next year I suspect.

How long is the C's rebuild going to take? Both of these teams still have no idea who the best player on their next title team is, and until you figure that out you're not a contender.

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Playoff contention next year?

LOL

Have you seen the recent 8th seeds in the East??? They're, for the most part, bad basketball teams...

It's not that hard to go from a mid-20s win team to a 35-40 win team in the Eastern Conference.

Re: Jason Thompson to the Warriors, Gerald Wallace to the Sixers
« Reply #42 on: August 04, 2015, 11:52:21 AM »

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he's been in our initial rebuild, and now he's in the 6ers forever rebuild...

who knows, if he sticks around, he may see them improve to a playoff team...

or he can destroy the team and call them lazy

Re: Jason Thompson to the Warriors, Gerald Wallace to the Sixers
« Reply #43 on: August 04, 2015, 02:10:17 PM »

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Hope they hang on to Wallace, at least long enough for him to make it back to the Garden. He deserves a nice ovation from the fans here.

Crash, we hardly knew ye.

Mike

Re: Jason Thompson to the Warriors, Gerald Wallace to the Sixers
« Reply #44 on: August 04, 2015, 03:46:08 PM »

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Yes.

I suspect the 2016-17 Sixers will be a 35-40 win team nipping at the back end of the Eastern Conference playoffs.

No one has made it into the playoffs with 35 wins since 94-95 when there were only 27 teams in the NBA. A bigger problem is I don't see Hinkie not tanking next year. He's certainly tanking this year given his draft and free agent moves, has one player of any value who has NBA experience, and he's at the same position as this year's pick who should be a good player, if not transcendent. Even if Hinkie turns on the switch, it would take a lot of favorable events for them to get to the playoffs, including  a young team gelling and winning more than 35 games. Worse, I don't see the talent there yet, and I don't think Hinkie does either.