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Re: C's roster vs. East Playoff Squads
« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2015, 02:08:59 PM »

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While it's not perfect, the teams with the higher scores were the best teams last year, and the teams with the lowest scores are the worst teams.

It was really just a quick check using some numbers to verify what our guts/eyeballs are telling us. Yes we are infact deep, and here are some numbers to help support that sentiment.

Re: C's roster vs. East Playoff Squads
« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2015, 02:22:54 PM »

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Wouldn't it be possible to do the same sort of methodology (flawed as it is, being based on PER and otherwise) with a Playoff rotation of 8 or 9 guys, rather than stacking the entire rosters?

How about this.

Top 8 players in each team's rotation.  Take their WS / 48 and average them together.  Multiply by 5.


Results

Cavs - Average .137 * 5 = .69

Hawks - Average .134 * 5 = .67

Raptors - Average .134 * 5 = .67

Bulls - Average .132 * 5 = .66

Wizards - Average .119 * 5 = .6

Heat - Average .116 * 5 = .58

Celtics - Average .112 * 5 = .56

Bucks - Average .108 * 5 = .54



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Re: C's roster vs. East Playoff Squads
« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2015, 02:32:01 PM »

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While it's not perfect, the teams with the higher scores were the best teams last year, and the teams with the lowest scores are the worst teams.

It was really just a quick check using some numbers to verify what our guts/eyeballs are telling us. Yes we are infact deep, and here are some numbers to help support that sentiment.

Understood, it's just that when I saw the title of the thread I sort of expected East Playoff Squads to be the 'playoff version' of the teams we'd be likely to run into, that's all.
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Re: C's roster vs. East Playoff Squads
« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2015, 02:33:00 PM »

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Wouldn't it be possible to do the same sort of methodology (flawed as it is, being based on PER and otherwise) with a Playoff rotation of 8 or 9 guys, rather than stacking the entire rosters?

How about this.

Top 8 players in each team's rotation.  Take their WS / 48 and average them together.  Multiply by 5.


Results

Cavs - Average .137 * 5 = .69

Hawks - Average .134 * 5 = .67

Raptors - Average .134 * 5 = .67

Bulls - Average .132 * 5 = .66

Wizards - Average .119 * 5 = .6

Heat - Average .116 * 5 = .58

Celtics - Average .112 * 5 = .56

Bucks - Average .108 * 5 = .54
That looks pretty reasonable to me. The only caveat I would make is that injuries will 100% factor into the final standings and the Celtics are better equipped than any team to deal with injuries.
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Re: C's roster vs. East Playoff Squads
« Reply #19 on: July 28, 2015, 02:34:01 PM »

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Wouldn't it be possible to do the same sort of methodology (flawed as it is, being based on PER and otherwise) with a Playoff rotation of 8 or 9 guys, rather than stacking the entire rosters?

How about this.

Top 8 players in each team's rotation.  Take their WS / 48 and average them together.  Multiply by 5.


Results

Cavs - Average .137 * 5 = .69

Hawks - Average .134 * 5 = .67

Raptors - Average .134 * 5 = .67

Bulls - Average .132 * 5 = .66

Wizards - Average .119 * 5 = .6

Heat - Average .116 * 5 = .58

Celtics - Average .112 * 5 = .56

Bucks - Average .108 * 5 = .54

Does that really work with teams that have seen so much movement between this season and last, though?
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Re: C's roster vs. East Playoff Squads
« Reply #20 on: July 28, 2015, 02:36:38 PM »

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the Celtics are better equipped than any team to deal with injuries.

That is an advantage until the playoffs when other teams tighten their rosters.  You can only play five guys at a time, whomever is the best five usually wins, especially if they have 3-4 bench guys that can spell them.

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« Reply #21 on: July 28, 2015, 02:42:19 PM »

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the Celtics are better equipped than any team to deal with injuries.

That is an advantage until the playoffs when other teams tighten their rosters.  You can only play five guys at a time, whomever is the best five usually wins, especially if they have 3-4 bench guys that can spell them.
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Re: C's roster vs. East Playoff Squads
« Reply #22 on: July 28, 2015, 03:41:22 PM »

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Wouldn't it be possible to do the same sort of methodology (flawed as it is, being based on PER and otherwise) with a Playoff rotation of 8 or 9 guys, rather than stacking the entire rosters?

How about this.

Top 8 players in each team's rotation.  Take their WS / 48 and average them together.  Multiply by 5.


Results

Cavs - Average .137 * 5 = .69

Hawks - Average .134 * 5 = .67

Raptors - Average .134 * 5 = .67

Bulls - Average .132 * 5 = .66

Wizards - Average .119 * 5 = .6

Heat - Average .116 * 5 = .58

Celtics - Average .112 * 5 = .56

Bucks - Average .108 * 5 = .54

Does that really work with teams that have seen so much movement between this season and last, though?

Um, I believe you requested a flawed methodology, sir.   8)


The answer is of course it doesn't work, exactly, but I don't think it's entirely misleading.

I didn't even try to guess what the players' WS/48 might be this year, just used their numbers from last year.

For what it's worth, though, I did it based on the 8 best players on the roster for next season, which means Toronto has Demarre Carroll, Washington has Jared Dudley, Milwaukee has Greg Monroe, and so on.
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Re: C's roster vs. East Playoff Squads
« Reply #23 on: July 28, 2015, 04:16:52 PM »

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Wouldn't it be possible to do the same sort of methodology (flawed as it is, being based on PER and otherwise) with a Playoff rotation of 8 or 9 guys, rather than stacking the entire rosters?

How about this.

Top 8 players in each team's rotation.  Take their WS / 48 and average them together.  Multiply by 5.


Results

Cavs - Average .137 * 5 = .69

Hawks - Average .134 * 5 = .67

Raptors - Average .134 * 5 = .67

Bulls - Average .132 * 5 = .66

Wizards - Average .119 * 5 = .6

Heat - Average .116 * 5 = .58

Celtics - Average .112 * 5 = .56

Bucks - Average .108 * 5 = .54

Does that really work with teams that have seen so much movement between this season and last, though?

Um, I believe you requested a flawed methodology, sir.   8)

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