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Idea: Babb and Pressey and the Minny "first rounder" for Steve Adams!!
« on: July 14, 2015, 11:32:59 PM »

Offline Smitty77

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What do you all think?

Does OKC bite??

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Re: Babb and Pressey and the Minny "first rounder" for Steve Adams!!
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2015, 11:36:05 PM »

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Would you give up Steve Adams for dog poo?

Lol I'd love Adams but it will take a lot more than this!
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« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2015, 11:36:11 PM »

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LOL. No.
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« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2015, 12:08:07 AM »

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Quote from: Smitty77 on July 14, 2015, 11:32:59 PM
What do you all think?

Does OKC bite??

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Not a chance in you know what.  Come on now...
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Re: Babb and Pressey and the Minny "first rounder" for Steve Adams!!
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2015, 12:51:38 AM »

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It's not as outlandish as you people are making it out to be. I mean, they just PAID US to help them reduce their payroll, and got a 2nd rounder for our troubles on top of it [that Detroit pick could be quite valuable, it has no protection that I've seen, and Detroit is still a meh team].

The problem is that you guys try to look at things purely from a talent/player angle without understanding what motivates other teams, etc.

Oklahoma just paid a MAX contract to their center in Kanter. They have Mitch McGary who seems to be posed to get a bigger role for them, and this is a team that is allergic to paying tax money.

I think a 1st rounder, if OKC is motivated to keep shedding salary, is more than fair. The Minnesota protection for their pick is a bit too risky, so it would need to be something else.

I don't think they'll do it mind you, but the idea is not as outlandish as it's been made out to be here. They'll find other forms to reduce payroll, if they're still motivated to do so, before trying to sell Adams. It'll leave them too thin at the C to make it a good decision.

But a first rounder is not that bad of an offer, even I'd say a good first step if anything.
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« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2015, 01:05:40 AM »

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They might do this for McGary. Not for Adams. And likely not for either. They'll just dump Novak on someone.
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« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2015, 01:11:23 AM »

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Quote from: BudweiserCeltic on July 15, 2015, 12:51:38 AM
It's not as outlandish as you people are making it out to be. I mean, they just PAID US to help them reduce their payroll, and got a 2nd rounder for our troubles on top of it [that Detroit pick could be quite valuable, it has no protection that I've seen, and Detroit is still a meh team].

The problem is that you guys try to look at things purely from a talent/player angle without understanding what motivates other teams, etc.

Oklahoma just paid a MAX contract to their center in Kanter. They have Mitch McGary who seems to be posed to get a bigger role for them, and this is a team that is allergic to paying tax money.

I think a 1st rounder, if OKC is motivated to keep shedding salary, is more than fair. The Minnesota protection for their pick is a bit too risky, so it would need to be something else.

I don't think they'll do it mind you, but the idea is not as outlandish as it's been made out to be here. They'll find other forms to reduce payroll, if they're still motivated to do so, before trying to sell Adams. It'll leave them too thin at the C to make it a good decision.

But a first rounder is not that bad of an offer, even I'd say a good first step if anything.


That's the whole reason it's a resounding 'NO!'.
It's not like he's expiring or looking at a big payday like Kanter.
He's got 2 years on a rookie scale contract and he's shown that he's easily a starting caliber big man with elite defensive potential around the rim.

To get Adams from OKC right now you'd need to give up at least Olynyk+ a Brooklyn or Dallas pick at the very minimum. (Obviously just my opinion).

He's due to get paid when the cap booms to 100 million but the Thunder have 2 years to worry about that. For now, they've got Kanter and Adams locked up in case Durant leaves. They'll basically be able to pay 5 guys a maximum contract and keep whichever one they want the most.
They're obviously hoping Kanter's contract becomes a bargain.

Anyway, just assuring you that the point on salary management isn't lost, but in this case, the talent level and value of Adams on his rookie deal is absolutely a critical point as to why this offer is complete and utter dog poo.

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« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2015, 01:18:06 AM »

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LOL NO.

A franchise that drafted Durant, Westbrook, Harden and Ibaka would not do anything idiotic like that.
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« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2015, 02:11:12 AM »

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Quote from: notbillsimmons on July 15, 2015, 01:18:06 AM
LOL NO.

A franchise that drafted Durant, Westbrook, Harden and Ibaka would not do anything idiotic like that.

I guess you really aren't Bill Simmons.
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« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2015, 03:13:16 AM »

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Babb, Pressey, and first?  No. 

Tyler Zeller and Terry Rozier for Adams + Augustin?  Hmmmm... I'm not sure "which team says no"?  I am very high on Rozier and I imagine Danny A is too, but we need a center.  I think OKC would appreciate Rozier's similar style to Westbrook more than Augustin.  And we don't really have any minutes for Rozier at PG.
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« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2015, 04:17:24 AM »

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It is a very good target, but I am not sure what we can give OKC they will want.

They want to win now and reduce tax. Without Adams, their big men rotation would be:
C Kanter McGary
PF Ibaka Collison

Would they be interested in some of our bigs. I would give up KO or Sully for Adams straight. Both of them are however offense-focused and with Durant and RW, I do not think that is what OKC needs. Probably KO for spacing?

Their SGs are both terrible on D (Morrow and Waiters) or terrible on O (Roberson). They might like Bradley and I think he will be a terrific fit next to RW.

AB's salary will be however difficult to match. We are full, so AB for Adams and fillers will require us to either shed contracts or straight out waive guys. OKC is also is running short of out of rotation contracts.

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« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2015, 07:07:31 AM »

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They are trying to get Durant to stay. How does this trade help them do that? Any trade that OKC might even consider has to start with Brooklyn 2016 and one of our young guards or perhaps a big like Zeller or Olynyk. I'm not sure that they want to move him at all.
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« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2015, 08:49:59 AM »

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The reason for the proposed trade is to help OKC reduce their team salary.  Can OKC not simply cut or waive both Babb and Pressey?  I think they would have until July 15 (today) to waive him, correct?  Not sure about Babb.

I would give them another first rounder (NOT either of the Nets picks and likely NOT the Dallas pick) if needed.

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« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2015, 08:53:16 AM »

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Like Adams

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« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2015, 08:59:31 AM »

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Quote from: Smitty77 on July 15, 2015, 08:49:59 AM
The reason for the proposed trade is to help OKC reduce their team salary.  Can OKC not simply cut or waive both Babb and Pressey?  I think they would have until July 15 (today) to waive him, correct?  Not sure about Babb.

I would give them another first rounder (NOT either of the Nets picks and likely NOT the Dallas pick) if needed.

Smitty77

We don't need to trade Babb and Pressey to make it work. We can absorb Adams' contract.
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