How can we make room for Holmes, looks like a keeper.

[Irish Stew]

Turner and one of our too numerous to mention 2nd round picks for a future conditional 2nd round pick that will never actually materialize. That should solve this problem. Why would you trade Bradley to create a spot for an unproven rookie? Smart may overtake him this year, but at this moment, he is our best two way guard.

[saltlover]

Turner and one of our too numerous to mention 2nd round picks for a future conditional 2nd round pick that will never actually materialize. That should solve this problem. Why would you trade Bradley to create a spot for an unproven rookie? Smart may overtake him this year, but at this moment, he is our best two way guard.

If you're going to trade Turner and a 2nd for a pick that you don't expect to get, might as well just release Turner.

[Irish Stew]

Turner and one of our too numerous to mention 2nd round picks for a future conditional 2nd round pick that will never actually materialize. That should solve this problem. Why would you trade Bradley to create a spot for an unproven rookie? Smart may overtake him this year, but at this moment, he is our best two way guard.

If you're going to trade Turner and a 2nd for a pick that you don't expect to get, might as well just release Turner.

My assumption is that they would want to save $3.4 million against the cap in addition to avoiding actually having to pay the $3.4 million itself to Turner. If not, then just release him. The plan would be to replace Turner with a minimum wage guy like Holmes.

[ThaPreacher]

Turner and one of our too numerous to mention 2nd round picks for a future conditional 2nd round pick that will never actually materialize. That should solve this problem. Why would you trade Bradley to create a spot for an unproven rookie? Smart may overtake him this year, but at this moment, he is our best two way guard.

If you're going to trade Turner and a 2nd for a pick that you don't expect to get, might as well just release Turner.

Point.
However, both CB and Ainge value Turner. 
And while Celticbloogers seem to hate him faster than you can say Avery Bradley and Jeff Green during their first years in Boston, when Celticbloogers cried for their pound of flesh.
Evan Turner is perhaps the only Celtic that can generate his own offense, besides IT.
I can't imagine him being released.  Packaged in a trade with Sully, AB or others, -yes
Waived for an unproven, undrafted rookie, or a scoreless scorer in James Young-NOPE
nosirree, uh-uh, ain't gonna happen.

[Irish Stew]

It's not that I disrespect Turner, but simply he is an expiring contract who is unlikely to be re-signed. He doesn't shoot the three and doesn't really fit in Steven's offense which is 3ball heavy.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Will he count as a roster spot if we sign him even though he'll spend time in the D-League?

If not, I would be willing to let Pressey go for Holmes. He fits the mold of a stretch 4 who could play 3 if needed, so he fills a need. All out effort and a non stop motor. I'd love to have him.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

I was on the train when we grabbed him for SL b4 g1.

Same here.  Have been hoping we'd find a roster spot somehow.  Wouldn't be surprised to see him get a contract anyway with Ainge letting training camp sort out that roster spot.

I drafted him in the DKC league 21st overall. I'm very invested and I bet much like his overall game in general. He needs to be playing for us.

[LooseCannon]

Will he count as a roster spot if we sign him even though he'll spend time in the D-League?

If not, I would be willing to let Pressey go for Holmes. He fits the mold of a stretch 4 who could play 3 if needed, so he fills a need. All out effort and a non stop motor. I'd love to have him.

He counts as a roster spot if you sign him to a NBA contract and assign him to the D-League.  It's beyond frustrating that people continually ask about such a simple concept.

If you let Pressey go, you still have 12 players under guaranteed contract, 2 first round picks who will have guaranteed contract, and one roster spot to be fought over by Mickey and Holmes and whoever else.  In the absence of a trade, Holmes' best shot of making the roster is to play well enough that the Celtics would rather waive Jordan Mickey.

I think some people in this thread do not understand that Holmes is not a pure SF, he's more of an undersized PF who may be capable of playing some minutes at SF, but he may be a bit of a project as a SF.  He's not a potential replacement for Evan Turner.  He's more of a guy who may let you trade Jae Crowder for something useful at a different position in a couple of years.

[colincb]

An option outside of the trades is a domestic draft and stash.

http://www.libertyballers.com/2015/5/7/8565811/report-sixers-to-workout-jamal-jones-consider-domestic-draft-and-stash

"As Charania notes, the Thunder first brought this loophole to light last season after arranging an agreement with Huestis prior to the Draft. As a fringe first-rounder, he would get a promise of eventual guaranteed money through the NBA's rookie scale (which would guarantee him roughly $1.5 million over two years, followed by two team options). But, it was under the condition that he delay signing that contract and join the D-League for a year first."

I am not sure we can do a stash of a free agent. I think we can not.

The option would be then (and I know with his current play I will be crucified for even suggesting it) to stash Mickey. He is by my count 7th in the big men rotation. He will not see many minutes this year anyway.

That will open up a roster spot for Holmes to be signed.

Of course, the better alternative is a cheap non-guaranteed contract as soon as possible, that gives us some control until after the training camp when the roster needs to be trimmed to 15. In the meantime, Ainge can work a trade.

TP for the idea, but I don't think it works either.  The problem is that he was undrafted so we don't have exclusive rights to him. Huestis OTOH was drafted.

The CBA doesn't allow secret agreements to bring him up to the main club at some time either that would entice him to reject other offers when he was in the D-league. If he did reject an offer from another club, it would be pretty suspect and secret agreements are a major no-no (See TWolves/Joe Smith fiasco). I may be wrong, but that's my best read after looking at a few articles via Google.

[Greenback]

Keeping Holmes should be on Ainge's to-do list.

Players expendable include, Olynyk, Young, Pressey, Thornton and Sullinger.

Holmes was playing some center in the Summer League.  The ability to play and defend multiple positions and shoot the 3ball makes keeping Holmes a no-brainer.

[saltlover]

Turner and one of our too numerous to mention 2nd round picks for a future conditional 2nd round pick that will never actually materialize. That should solve this problem. Why would you trade Bradley to create a spot for an unproven rookie? Smart may overtake him this year, but at this moment, he is our best two way guard.

If you're going to trade Turner and a 2nd for a pick that you don't expect to get, might as well just release Turner.

Point.
However, both CB and Ainge value Turner. 
And while Celticbloogers seem to hate him faster than you can say Avery Bradley and Jeff Green during their first years in Boston, when Celticbloogers cried for their pound of flesh.
Evan Turner is perhaps the only Celtic that can generate his own offense, besides IT.
I can't imagine him being released.  Packaged in a trade with Sully, AB or others, -yes
Waived for an unproven, undrafted rookie, or a scoreless scorer in James Young-NOPE
nosirree, uh-uh, ain't gonna happen.

I agree.  I'm just saying that if for some reason the decision was to trade Turner and a guaranteed 2nd for a future 2nd that is unlikely to materialize, the better move is to release him.  The same is true of any player on the Celtics with an expiring deal.

I for one think Turner has value, both to this team and others.  Not loads of value, but he's a useful player on short money.  About the only way he is released is if he tears an ACL in training camp.

[colincb]

While I agree that Turner was one of the few guys with a good enough handle to create his own shot last year (and why the acquisition of IT made such a big difference), the acquisition of Lee and Johnson will make our Pick-N-Roll offense much better and both Rozier and Hunter have also demonstrated enough of a handle to lessen the need for Turner, who regardless of his ability to create shots is inefficient in making them. I don't see him in their long-term plans and don't see enough upside in him to think he can earn a way into the Cs future.

I'm not a big Young guy, who is the other option to go, but he's still very young and there's some talent there as evidenced by his ability to dominate in D-League. I think it's in his head much like it was with AB who sucked brutally his first year to the point where I ended up saying to myself that he can't be this bad given that he was a good shooter, though not a great creator. Young can't be this bad. It's in his head and if he can get a few games where the ball goes through the hoop I think his offense at5 least will be fine.

[The Rondo Show]

Hook Em baby!

[tarheelsxxiii]

Will he count as a roster spot if we sign him even though he'll spend time in the D-League?

If not, I would be willing to let Pressey go for Holmes. He fits the mold of a stretch 4 who could play 3 if needed, so he fills a need. All out effort and a non stop motor. I'd love to have him.

He counts as a roster spot if you sign him to a NBA contract and assign him to the D-League.  It's beyond frustrating that people continually ask about such a simple concept.

If you let Pressey go, you still have 12 players under guaranteed contract, 2 first round picks who will have guaranteed contract, and one roster spot to be fought over by Mickey and Holmes and whoever else.  In the absence of a trade, Holmes' best shot of making the roster is to play well enough that the Celtics would rather waive Jordan Mickey.

I think some people in this thread do not understand that Holmes is not a pure SF, he's more of an undersized PF who may be capable of playing some minutes at SF, but he may be a bit of a project as a SF.  He's not a potential replacement for Evan Turner.  He's more of a guy who may let you trade Jae Crowder for something useful at a different position in a couple of years.

I think a pretty strong argument can be made that Holmes is a better prospect than Young (for us versus China/Turkey/Spain).

[Csfan1984]

Well team depth is the issue. Unless team can get an upgrade in a 2 for 1 Holmes won't be added. I know people want C's to just move someone they personally don't like but going by each player with a value of > = or < it doesn't look like we can just move a guy just to add Holmes
1. Smart: elite defender, high draft pick and potential >
2. IT:elite scorer, six man>
3. AB:good 2 way player, good contract>
4. AJ:good 2 way player, flexible contract>
5. Sully:productive offense, good BB IQ>
6. Zeller:good offense, only true Center>
7. Turner:Clutch, Great salary value>
8. Lee:veteran big, skilled offense. >
9. KO:stretch big, rookie deal, arm-bar specialist>
10. Crowder:tough defender, high energy player>
11. Young: younger, high potential SG/SF>
12. Rozier:elite ball handler, high potential rookie>
13. Hunter:skilled shooter, high BBIQ>
14. Jerekbo:versitle and can play the 3-5 postions>
15. Mickey:skilled, younger big that can rim protect.>

That is the top 15 so we can't just move a guy to add Holmes there has to be some upgrade or it doesn't make sense.