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Re: What The Hell Is Ainge Waiting For??
« Reply #45 on: July 06, 2015, 12:39:55 AM »

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It's like there is a certain percent of posters here who seem to really think that every year we don't radically improve it's because Ainge is a moron. It's not a video game people, you can't just decided to trade for stars, click a few buttons and in 10 minutes you have them.

I expect bold and creative moves that advance the rebuild in some way.  At least something like the Zeller trade last year. 

Ainge has basically just pressed pause.  He added a couple of large expiring contracts, basically, who will help the team maintain around 40 wins.  Content to be in pretty much the same position a year from now.  I don't see the point in that.

First of all, you get IT4 for the entire year. He changed the dynamic of the team by himself in limited time. Second, Amir is far better than Bass, a huge upgrade there, and is defensively better than any 4 or 5 on the roster. That's going to help a ton and play a big part in the success of the team.

Then you got Smart being more comfortable with a year under his belt, plus your rookie class.

That's not pressing pause to me. That's moving forward.

So aside from a modest upgrade at PF (with a guy who will likely be gone in a year or two), the team will simply rely on development from within.

How is that not standing pat?

Well throw last years record out the window. This will be the first year you have IT4 from the start. Since he hit ground, you played some darn good ball. Same with Crowder. You get him for a full training camp, etc. Now add Amir and the rookies.

It's never standing pat when you've added 4 guys who have an opportunity to change things immediately (Amir, Rozier, Hunter, and Mickey).

If Ainge hits on 1 of those 4 additions, IMO, you're competing for the Atlantic title once again.

Re: What The Hell Is Ainge Waiting For??
« Reply #46 on: July 06, 2015, 12:45:30 AM »

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It's like there is a certain percent of posters here who seem to really think that every year we don't radically improve it's because Ainge is a moron. It's not a video game people, you can't just decided to trade for stars, click a few buttons and in 10 minutes you have them.

I expect bold and creative moves that advance the rebuild in some way.  At least something like the Zeller trade last year. 

Ainge has basically just pressed pause.  He added a couple of large expiring contracts, basically, who will help the team maintain around 40 wins.  Content to be in pretty much the same position a year from now.  I don't see the point in that.

The Celtics have a favorable cap situation and too much young talent to take an intentional step backwards.  In the absence of any good deals to be made, "pressing pause" is much better than making panic moves that lock the Celtics into their current level.
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Re: What The Hell Is Ainge Waiting For??
« Reply #47 on: July 06, 2015, 12:46:46 AM »

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80 million bucks for Reggie Jackson is a fairly strong indicator that FA prices are too high this offseason.

Im pretty glad Danny hasn't been suckered into an overpay or overterm for mid level talent.

So with the cap rumored to be going over 100mil in the next 3 years you think contracts are going to get better and by that I mean cheaper? That's over 30 million more to spend, NBA contracts don't get smaller. This year we stepped sideways and in doing so I think Miami and Indiana passed us thus far.

Even with the cap going up to over 100 million some of these deals are questionable. And that is in 3-4 years time. Also doesn't change the fact that you're committing a high cap percentage to mid-level players, even if the percentage looks a little nicer over the years.


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Re: What The Hell Is Ainge Waiting For??
« Reply #48 on: July 06, 2015, 12:51:44 AM »

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It's like there is a certain percent of posters here who seem to really think that every year we don't radically improve it's because Ainge is a moron. It's not a video game people, you can't just decided to trade for stars, click a few buttons and in 10 minutes you have them.

I expect bold and creative moves that advance the rebuild in some way.  At least something like the Zeller trade last year. 

Ainge has basically just pressed pause.  He added a couple of large expiring contracts, basically, who will help the team maintain around 40 wins.  Content to be in pretty much the same position a year from now.  I don't see the point in that.

The Celtics have a favorable cap situation and too much young talent to take an intentional step backwards.  In the absence of any good deals to be made, "pressing pause" is much better than making panic moves that lock the Celtics into their current level.

I actually prefer the word Coach Stevens used rather than the saying,  'pressing pause'.

Continuity.

This team played great after IT4's arrival. Keep it going. You upgraded Bass with a stronger defender whose versatile and can rebound. Great upgrade. Now see what the rookies can add.

Re: What The Hell Is Ainge Waiting For??
« Reply #49 on: July 06, 2015, 12:59:04 AM »

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It's like there is a certain percent of posters here who seem to really think that every year we don't radically improve it's because Ainge is a moron. It's not a video game people, you can't just decided to trade for stars, click a few buttons and in 10 minutes you have them.

And Celtics homers are famous for being the whiniest bunch of sheep in NBA fandom, bleating at even the mildest of critiques, so what's your point?  Address the issue: The Celtics told us, again, that were were going to get fireworks.

We got nary a firecracker.  Danny's excuse was that the other teams wouldn't trade with him.  Well, if Danny can't get trades done, he's got draft picks and free agency, and that's it.  And the free agents are, apparently, not even wasting the time to grant him an interview.

If you're not trying to tell us that Amir Johnson was the missing piece, then please explain what Ainge is likely to do, and how long it's likely to take, because this is year 3 of the full rebuild, year 4 of the 'retooling', and year 5 since the disastrous Perkins trade, and there's no end to this situation in sight.


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Re: What The Hell Is Ainge Waiting For??
« Reply #50 on: July 06, 2015, 01:14:55 AM »

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As much as the offseason has felt like a dud I'd much rather hold pat than dump long term salary in the Robin Lopez's of the world. I'm not sure what it's going to take to get that first big domino to fall for the team though. The future is very murky.

Re: What The Hell Is Ainge Waiting For??
« Reply #51 on: July 06, 2015, 01:57:47 AM »

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Our roster is fine.
Celtic fans are the whiniest fans I have ever seen.

Speak for yourself pal.

Just because I want to see my team do well and improve their roster doesn't make me any more of a whiner than you are.

I am speaking for myself. Who else would I be speaking for?
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Re: What The Hell Is Ainge Waiting For??
« Reply #52 on: July 06, 2015, 02:03:51 AM »

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In hindsight Winslow looks like just some other dude on the court.  No one that would be that go to guy we need.  The only realistic target worth the max was Harris and he seems content in Orlando.  No way I'd pay any of these guys because they'd do little to build on what we have.  Trades can still happen and if not we have alotbof young talent that can gain experience and chemistry while the league around us continues to get  older and teams try to piecemeal a team in hopes of creating chemistry long enough to get to the playoffs.  It's fristrsting not to make a big splash but sometimes it's better just to roll with what brought you to the dance.

Re: What The Hell Is Ainge Waiting For??
« Reply #53 on: July 06, 2015, 02:28:05 AM »

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Other than the KG and Ray deals, what other trades has he made that he's "won"?

Comments like this are just silly.

2/19/04- Ainge takes on some fairly minimal salary and ends up getting a future first for his trouble.  That first turns out to be Tony Allen, who had a lot of solid years in Boston

2/8/05 - Ainge flipped the corpse of Jiri Welsch to Cleveland for a future first

6/28/06 - Ainge gives up a heavily protected future pick for the rights to Rajon Rondo, who you may remember was an all-star caliber PG for the C's for roughly half a decade.

2/18-10 - Ainge flipped a bunch of garbage to NYK for Nate Robinson, who played a pretty important part in the 2010 NBA finals run.

7/12/13 - Gave up Pierce and Garnett and got a treasure trove of unprotected draft picks in return.


Re: What The Hell Is Ainge Waiting For??
« Reply #54 on: July 06, 2015, 02:45:50 AM »

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Other than the KG and Ray deals, what other trades has he made that he's "won"?

Comments like this are just silly.

2/19/04- Ainge takes on some fairly minimal salary and ends up getting a future first for his trouble.  That first turns out to be Tony Allen, who had a lot of solid years in Boston

2/8/05 - Ainge flipped the corpse of Jiri Welsch to Cleveland for a future first

6/28/06 - Ainge gives up a heavily protected future pick for the rights to Rajon Rondo, who you may remember was an all-star caliber PG for the C's for roughly half a decade.

2/18-10 - Ainge flipped a bunch of garbage to NYK for Nate Robinson, who played a pretty important part in the 2010 NBA finals run.

7/12/13 - Gave up Pierce and Garnett and got a treasure trove of unprotected draft picks in return.

Skipping over the majority of the garbage mentioned...

If we fleeced the Nets, what do you expect us to gain from it? The more specific, the better.

As far as I know, dude made a huge acquisition in 2007 with a friend. I cannot wait until (prob still another 3 years for ya'll) it becomes clear that that move was a favor, a major over-estimation of his ability, and a very poor benchmark.
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Re: What The Hell Is Ainge Waiting For??
« Reply #55 on: July 06, 2015, 03:22:46 AM »

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Other than the KG and Ray deals, what other trades has he made that he's "won"?

Comments like this are just silly.

2/19/04- Ainge takes on some fairly minimal salary and ends up getting a future first for his trouble.  That first turns out to be Tony Allen, who had a lot of solid years in Boston

2/8/05 - Ainge flipped the corpse of Jiri Welsch to Cleveland for a future first

6/28/06 - Ainge gives up a heavily protected future pick for the rights to Rajon Rondo, who you may remember was an all-star caliber PG for the C's for roughly half a decade.

2/18-10 - Ainge flipped a bunch of garbage to NYK for Nate Robinson, who played a pretty important part in the 2010 NBA finals run.

7/12/13 - Gave up Pierce and Garnett and got a treasure trove of unprotected draft picks in return.

Skipping over the majority of the garbage mentioned...

If we fleeced the Nets, what do you expect us to gain from it? The more specific, the better.

As far as I know, dude made a huge acquisition in 2007 with a friend. I cannot wait until (prob still another 3 years for ya'll) it becomes clear that that move was a favor, a major over-estimation of his ability, and a very poor benchmark.

And in this you list nothing about his draft successes because the truth is that there are very few of them. The most successful pick that Ainge has had as a GM was Rondo. Besides that he has continually picked mediocre talent or busts. That's why it worries me that we are relying on his drafting to get us better when he has proven over and over again that he is not good at it. I honestly think we will regret not adding a player of Dekker's caliber at 16 as a player that could have played very well in Stevens system as we have seen players like Hayward do before. Imagine if we had landed RJ Hunter and Dekker in the same draft. Smh.

Re: What The Hell Is Ainge Waiting For??
« Reply #56 on: July 06, 2015, 06:27:57 AM »

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And in this you list nothing about his draft successes because the truth is that there are very few of them.

Why would I?  Gpap specifically mentioned trades in his post, so I responded with a list of good trades Ainge has made.  Reading comprehension.  Live it.  Learn it.  Love it.

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The most successful pick that Ainge has had as a GM was Rondo. Besides that he has continually picked mediocre talent or busts.

Ainge picked Al Jefferson with the 15th overall pick in 2004.

Re: What The Hell Is Ainge Waiting For??
« Reply #57 on: July 06, 2015, 06:33:25 AM »

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Skipping over the majority of the garbage mentioned...

What are you talking about? 

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If we fleeced the Nets, what do you expect us to gain from it? The more specific, the better.

First round picks.  Unprotected ones.  Already made that clear in my previous post.  If you want specifics, I really can't do that, because that would involve psychic powers I'm not privvy to.

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As far as I know, dude made a huge acquisition in 2007 with a friend. I cannot wait until (prob still another 3 years for ya'll) it becomes clear that that move was a favor, a major over-estimation of his ability, and a very poor benchmark.

Do you think the owner of the Wolves would willingly let McHale trade the face of the franchise just so Kevin could hook up his buddy?  This is so silly I'm not going to bother anymore. 
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Re: What The Hell Is Ainge Waiting For??
« Reply #58 on: July 06, 2015, 06:36:34 AM »

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You can't simply go and get stars, you have to wait until they become available. That's what people mean when they use the phrase "until the opportunity arises".

What Danny is doing is put us in a position to be able to strike when a star player becomes available, by having the assets and flexibility necessary for such a deal.
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Re: What The Hell Is Ainge Waiting For??
« Reply #59 on: July 06, 2015, 07:27:03 AM »

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80 million bucks for Reggie Jackson is a fairly strong indicator that FA prices are too high this offseason.

Im pretty glad Danny hasn't been suckered into an overpay or overterm for mid level talent.
This is will look lke a bargain and Bradley's will look like a steal. On the flip side I don't think Jackson is that good.
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