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Re: Bismack Biyombo agrees to two-year, $6M deal with the Toronto Raptors
« Reply #30 on: July 04, 2015, 04:19:45 PM »

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Re: Bismack Biyombo agrees to two-year, $6M deal with the Toronto Raptors
« Reply #31 on: July 04, 2015, 04:27:32 PM »

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He needs to fire his agent. How does a bigman not get 5 million plus in this day in age?
Seriously, though... how did his agent not reach out to the Clippers?   

22 year old Jordan per-36:  10 points, 10.1 rebounds, 2.5 blocks.   
22 year old Bismack Per-36:  8.8 points, 11.8 rebounds, 2.9 blocks

Couldn't have Bis provided like 70% of what Jordan was?  At least on the defensive end, I honestly believe he could.

Yes, but he couldn't get $3 million in a year from the Clippers.  They don't have those kinds of funds available for a free agent.

Re: Bismack Biyombo agrees to two-year, $6M deal with the Toronto Raptors
« Reply #32 on: July 04, 2015, 04:38:55 PM »

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Real-talk:  I'd rather have Biyombo at 3 mil than Amir at 12 mil... sounds like that's the consensus amongst Raptor fans as well right now.

I like what the Raptors are doing.  All their moves right now seem geared towards improving defensively.  DeMar Caroll and Biyombo are nice grabs for them.   Will be interesting to see how their roster shakes out.  Are they still looking to move Jonas V?

Depends what are we doing with the 9M difference? As our roster is already packed and we weren't chasing Monroe/Harris for max deals then it sounds like nothing. So given that, I'd rather have Amir at 12M for 1 year given that he's significantly better and then have him as a trade asset at the deadline or next offseason.

Also take a look at the Charlotte big guys - Jefferson, Zeller, Kaminsky, Hawes. They sorely lack a defensive presence up front. Them just cutting their losses and letting Biyombo go and not even trying to resign him speaks volumes.

Re: Bismack Biyombo agrees to two-year, $6M deal with the Toronto Raptors
« Reply #33 on: July 04, 2015, 05:26:03 PM »

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I don't want to rag on Biyombo, who seems like a reasonably decent pick up at price, but here's a little perspective.

Per 36 stats

22-year-old Biyombo, 8.8 pts, 10.4 11.8 rebs, 2.9 blks.
23-year-old Olynyk, 15.6 pts, 7.7 rebs, 1 blk.
22-year-old Sullinger, 17.7 pts, 10.1 rebs, 1 blk.
25-year-old Zeller, 17.2 pts, 9.7 rebs, 1.1 blks.

Considering that Biyombo's rebounding number are likely at least a bit inflated due to his near total lack of an offensive burden and that I've never heard of him being anything to write home about on defense, I remain amazed at how people here can viciously rip Celtics players while remaining optimistically intrigued by clearly inferior players.

Mike
Add this one:

28-year-old Amir Johnson:  12.6 points, 8.3 rebounds, 1.1 block

You rather have him at 12 mil or Biyombo at 3?

You're asking me if I'd rather overpay for the starting power forward of a team that went 49-33 last season or get a bargain for the tenth man in the rotation of a team that went 33-49 last season, who not only couldn't beat out Cody Zeller for playing time but the team who has been watching him every day in practice for years just made no effort at all to retain?

Do you think that's a hard question to answer?

Mike

Re: Bismack Biyombo agrees to two-year, $6M deal with the Toronto Raptors
« Reply #34 on: July 04, 2015, 05:39:55 PM »

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I don't want to rag on Biyombo, who seems like a reasonably decent pick up at price, but here's a little perspective.

Per 36 stats

22-year-old Biyombo, 8.8 pts, 10.4 11.8 rebs, 2.9 blks.
23-year-old Olynyk, 15.6 pts, 7.7 rebs, 1 blk.
22-year-old Sullinger, 17.7 pts, 10.1 rebs, 1 blk.
25-year-old Zeller, 17.2 pts, 9.7 rebs, 1.1 blks.

Considering that Biyombo's rebounding number are likely at least a bit inflated due to his near total lack of an offensive burden and that I've never heard of him being anything to write home about on defense, I remain amazed at how people here can viciously rip Celtics players while remaining optimistically intrigued by clearly inferior players.

Mike
Add this one:

28-year-old Amir Johnson:  12.6 points, 8.3 rebounds, 1.1 block

You rather have him at 12 mil or Biyombo at 3?

You're asking me if I'd rather overpay for the starting power forward of a team that went 49-33 last season or get a bargain for the tenth man in the rotation of a team that went 33-49 last season, who not only couldn't beat out Cody Zeller for playing time but the team who has been watching him every day in practice for years just made no effort at all to retain?

Do you think that's a hard question to answer?

Mike
It's also a team that signed Lance Stephenson, passed on Justise Winslow,  passed up 6 draft picks from Boston only to take Frank Kaminsky, limits arguably the best wing defender in the league (MKG) to under 30 minutes, traded their 19 year old #9 pick after only seeing him play in 25 games... the last 5 of which he averaged 7.2 points and 8.6 rebounds in 23.6mpg, runs their offense through a chucker who shoots 38% and 30% from three...

I've said repeatedly that the Hornets are in a 2-way race with the Sacramento Kings as the most dysfunctional teams in the league.

I didn't like Biyombo based on what he has done.  I like Biyombo based on what he can do.   He's an intriguing prospect.  two-year 6m is an absolute steal.  Good for Toronto. 

Re: Bismack Biyombo agrees to two-year, $6M deal with the Toronto Raptors
« Reply #35 on: July 04, 2015, 05:53:28 PM »

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I don't want to rag on Biyombo, who seems like a reasonably decent pick up at price, but here's a little perspective.

Per 36 stats

22-year-old Biyombo, 8.8 pts, 10.4 11.8 rebs, 2.9 blks.
23-year-old Olynyk, 15.6 pts, 7.7 rebs, 1 blk.
22-year-old Sullinger, 17.7 pts, 10.1 rebs, 1 blk.
25-year-old Zeller, 17.2 pts, 9.7 rebs, 1.1 blks.

Considering that Biyombo's rebounding number are likely at least a bit inflated due to his near total lack of an offensive burden and that I've never heard of him being anything to write home about on defense, I remain amazed at how people here can viciously rip Celtics players while remaining optimistically intrigued by clearly inferior players.

Mike
Add this one:

28-year-old Amir Johnson:  12.6 points, 8.3 rebounds, 1.1 block

You rather have him at 12 mil or Biyombo at 3?

You're asking me if I'd rather overpay for the starting power forward of a team that went 49-33 last season or get a bargain for the tenth man in the rotation of a team that went 33-49 last season, who not only couldn't beat out Cody Zeller for playing time but the team who has been watching him every day in practice for years just made no effort at all to retain?

Do you think that's a hard question to answer?

Mike
It's also a team that signed Lance Stephenson, passed on Justise Winslow,  passed up 6 draft picks from Boston only to take Frank Kaminsky, limits arguably the best wing defender in the league (MKG) to under 30 minutes, traded their 19 year old #9 pick after only seeing him play in 25 games... the last 5 of which he averaged 7.2 points and 8.6 rebounds in 23.6mpg, runs their offense through a chucker who shoots 38% and 30% from three...

I've said repeatedly that the Hornets are in a 2-way race with the Sacramento Kings as the most dysfunctional teams in the league.

I didn't like Biyombo based on what he has done.  I like Biyombo based on what he can do.   He's an intriguing prospect.  two-year 6m is an absolute steal.  Good for Toronto.

Why, look at that!  I've never seen goalposts moved quite that quickly before!

The question you asked wasn't "Would you like Biyombo at 3?"  It was "Would you rather have Amir at 12 or Biyombo at 3?"  And again, I'd rather have the guy who has proven he can start for a winning team than the guy who has trouble getting off the bench for a losing team.

And since Charlotte drafted him, are you suggesting Charlotte was smart enough to recognize Biyombo's potential but too dumb to notice his development when they saw him at practice and games every day for several years?

Mike

Re: Bismack Biyombo agrees to two-year, $6M deal with the Toronto Raptors
« Reply #36 on: July 04, 2015, 06:38:37 PM »

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I don't want to rag on Biyombo, who seems like a reasonably decent pick up at price, but here's a little perspective.

Per 36 stats

22-year-old Biyombo, 8.8 pts, 10.4 11.8 rebs, 2.9 blks.
23-year-old Olynyk, 15.6 pts, 7.7 rebs, 1 blk.
22-year-old Sullinger, 17.7 pts, 10.1 rebs, 1 blk.
25-year-old Zeller, 17.2 pts, 9.7 rebs, 1.1 blks.

Considering that Biyombo's rebounding number are likely at least a bit inflated due to his near total lack of an offensive burden and that I've never heard of him being anything to write home about on defense, I remain amazed at how people here can viciously rip Celtics players while remaining optimistically intrigued by clearly inferior players.

Mike
Add this one:

28-year-old Amir Johnson:  12.6 points, 8.3 rebounds, 1.1 block

You rather have him at 12 mil or Biyombo at 3?

You're asking me if I'd rather overpay for the starting power forward of a team that went 49-33 last season or get a bargain for the tenth man in the rotation of a team that went 33-49 last season, who not only couldn't beat out Cody Zeller for playing time but the team who has been watching him every day in practice for years just made no effort at all to retain?

Do you think that's a hard question to answer?

Mike
It's also a team that signed Lance Stephenson, passed on Justise Winslow,  passed up 6 draft picks from Boston only to take Frank Kaminsky, limits arguably the best wing defender in the league (MKG) to under 30 minutes, traded their 19 year old #9 pick after only seeing him play in 25 games... the last 5 of which he averaged 7.2 points and 8.6 rebounds in 23.6mpg, runs their offense through a chucker who shoots 38% and 30% from three...

I've said repeatedly that the Hornets are in a 2-way race with the Sacramento Kings as the most dysfunctional teams in the league.

I didn't like Biyombo based on what he has done.  I like Biyombo based on what he can do.   He's an intriguing prospect.  two-year 6m is an absolute steal.  Good for Toronto.

Why, look at that!  I've never seen goalposts moved quite that quickly before!

The question you asked wasn't "Would you like Biyombo at 3?"  It was "Would you rather have Amir at 12 or Biyombo at 3?"  And again, I'd rather have the guy who has proven he can start for a winning team than the guy who has trouble getting off the bench for a losing team.

And since Charlotte drafted him, are you suggesting Charlotte was smart enough to recognize Biyombo's potential but too dumb to notice his development when they saw him at practice and games every day for several years?

Mike
yes... charlotte is that dumb. 

And yes, I'd rather have Biyombo at 2 years 6M over a rental of Amir Johnson at 12 mil.

Re: Bismack Biyombo agrees to two-year, $6M deal with the Toronto Raptors
« Reply #37 on: July 04, 2015, 06:56:26 PM »

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yes... charlotte is that dumb. 

And yes, I'd rather have Biyombo at 2 years 6M over a rental of Amir Johnson at 12 mil.

Charlotte is that dumb

But CBS would not want Biyombo, sure he is great at blocking shots and rebounding but he can't spread the floor or play in CBS system.

Re: Bismack Biyombo agrees to two-year, $6M deal with the Toronto Raptors
« Reply #38 on: July 04, 2015, 07:17:42 PM »

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I'd rather have Biyombo at 2yr/6mil than O'Quinn at 4yr/16mil or Williams at 2yr/10mil.  I don't understand what Jackson is doing. 

Re: Bismack Biyombo agrees to two-year, $6M deal with the Toronto Raptors
« Reply #39 on: July 04, 2015, 07:28:04 PM »

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He needs to fire his agent. How does a bigman not get 5 million plus in this day in age?

Because bizmo bimbo sucks.
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Re: Bismack Biyombo agrees to two-year, $6M deal with the Toronto Raptors
« Reply #40 on: July 04, 2015, 07:33:16 PM »

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Well, I liked O'Quinn and all but Knicks overpaid.

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Re: Bismack Biyombo agrees to two-year, $6M deal with the Toronto Raptors
« Reply #41 on: July 04, 2015, 09:45:28 PM »

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I don't want to rag on Biyombo, who seems like a reasonably decent pick up at price, but here's a little perspective.

Per 36 stats

22-year-old Biyombo, 8.8 pts, 10.4 11.8 rebs, 2.9 blks.
23-year-old Olynyk, 15.6 pts, 7.7 rebs, 1 blk.
22-year-old Sullinger, 17.7 pts, 10.1 rebs, 1 blk.
25-year-old Zeller, 17.2 pts, 9.7 rebs, 1.1 blks.

Considering that Biyombo's rebounding number are likely at least a bit inflated due to his near total lack of an offensive burden and that I've never heard of him being anything to write home about on defense, I remain amazed at how people here can viciously rip Celtics players while remaining optimistically intrigued by clearly inferior players.

Mike
Add this one:

28-year-old Amir Johnson:  12.6 points, 8.3 rebounds, 1.1 block

You rather have him at 12 mil or Biyombo at 3?

You're asking me if I'd rather overpay for the starting power forward of a team that went 49-33 last season or get a bargain for the tenth man in the rotation of a team that went 33-49 last season, who not only couldn't beat out Cody Zeller for playing time but the team who has been watching him every day in practice for years just made no effort at all to retain?

Do you think that's a hard question to answer?

Mike
It's also a team that signed Lance Stephenson, passed on Justise Winslow,  passed up 6 draft picks from Boston only to take Frank Kaminsky, limits arguably the best wing defender in the league (MKG) to under 30 minutes, traded their 19 year old #9 pick after only seeing him play in 25 games... the last 5 of which he averaged 7.2 points and 8.6 rebounds in 23.6mpg, runs their offense through a chucker who shoots 38% and 30% from three...

I've said repeatedly that the Hornets are in a 2-way race with the Sacramento Kings as the most dysfunctional teams in the league.

I didn't like Biyombo based on what he has done.  I like Biyombo based on what he can do.   He's an intriguing prospect.  two-year 6m is an absolute steal.  Good for Toronto.

Why, look at that!  I've never seen goalposts moved quite that quickly before!

The question you asked wasn't "Would you like Biyombo at 3?"  It was "Would you rather have Amir at 12 or Biyombo at 3?"  And again, I'd rather have the guy who has proven he can start for a winning team than the guy who has trouble getting off the bench for a losing team.

And since Charlotte drafted him, are you suggesting Charlotte was smart enough to recognize Biyombo's potential but too dumb to notice his development when they saw him at practice and games every day for several years?

Mike
yes... charlotte is that dumb. 

And yes, I'd rather have Biyombo at 2 years 6M over a rental of Amir Johnson at 12 mil.

Would you rather have Johnson and Biyombo or Johnson and the Swedish Larry Bird?
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Re: Bismack Biyombo agrees to two-year, $6M deal with the Toronto Raptors
« Reply #42 on: July 05, 2015, 03:30:21 AM »

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I don't want to rag on Biyombo, who seems like a reasonably decent pick up at price, but here's a little perspective.

Per 36 stats

22-year-old Biyombo, 8.8 pts, 10.4 11.8 rebs, 2.9 blks.
23-year-old Olynyk, 15.6 pts, 7.7 rebs, 1 blk.
22-year-old Sullinger, 17.7 pts, 10.1 rebs, 1 blk.
25-year-old Zeller, 17.2 pts, 9.7 rebs, 1.1 blks.

Considering that Biyombo's rebounding number are likely at least a bit inflated due to his near total lack of an offensive burden and that I've never heard of him being anything to write home about on defense, I remain amazed at how people here can viciously rip Celtics players while remaining optimistically intrigued by clearly inferior players.

Mike
Add this one:

28-year-old Amir Johnson:  12.6 points, 8.3 rebounds, 1.1 block

You rather have him at 12 mil or Biyombo at 3?

You're asking me if I'd rather overpay for the starting power forward of a team that went 49-33 last season or get a bargain for the tenth man in the rotation of a team that went 33-49 last season, who not only couldn't beat out Cody Zeller for playing time but the team who has been watching him every day in practice for years just made no effort at all to retain?

Do you think that's a hard question to answer?

Mike
It's also a team that signed Lance Stephenson, passed on Justise Winslow,  passed up 6 draft picks from Boston only to take Frank Kaminsky, limits arguably the best wing defender in the league (MKG) to under 30 minutes, traded their 19 year old #9 pick after only seeing him play in 25 games... the last 5 of which he averaged 7.2 points and 8.6 rebounds in 23.6mpg, runs their offense through a chucker who shoots 38% and 30% from three...

I've said repeatedly that the Hornets are in a 2-way race with the Sacramento Kings as the most dysfunctional teams in the league.

I didn't like Biyombo based on what he has done.  I like Biyombo based on what he can do.   He's an intriguing prospect.  two-year 6m is an absolute steal.  Good for Toronto.

Why, look at that!  I've never seen goalposts moved quite that quickly before!

The question you asked wasn't "Would you like Biyombo at 3?"  It was "Would you rather have Amir at 12 or Biyombo at 3?"  And again, I'd rather have the guy who has proven he can start for a winning team than the guy who has trouble getting off the bench for a losing team.

And since Charlotte drafted him, are you suggesting Charlotte was smart enough to recognize Biyombo's potential but too dumb to notice his development when they saw him at practice and games every day for several years?

Mike
yes... charlotte is that dumb. 

And yes, I'd rather have Biyombo at 2 years 6M over a rental of Amir Johnson at 12 mil.

Would you rather have Johnson and Biyombo or Johnson and the Swedish Larry Bird?
Couldn't we have all 3? Just attach one of our too many future second round picks to Turner and someone will take him.

Re: Bismack Biyombo agrees to two-year, $6M deal with the Toronto Raptors
« Reply #43 on: July 05, 2015, 02:44:10 PM »

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This deal is better than the 3 year deal Dante Cunningham signed for 9 mill

Re: Bismack Biyombo agrees to two-year, $6M deal with the Toronto Raptors
« Reply #44 on: July 05, 2015, 02:47:57 PM »

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I don't want to rag on Biyombo, who seems like a reasonably decent pick up at price, but here's a little perspective.

Per 36 stats

22-year-old Biyombo, 8.8 pts, 10.4 11.8 rebs, 2.9 blks.
23-year-old Olynyk, 15.6 pts, 7.7 rebs, 1 blk.
22-year-old Sullinger, 17.7 pts, 10.1 rebs, 1 blk.
25-year-old Zeller, 17.2 pts, 9.7 rebs, 1.1 blks.

Considering that Biyombo's rebounding number are likely at least a bit inflated due to his near total lack of an offensive burden and that I've never heard of him being anything to write home about on defense, I remain amazed at how people here can viciously rip Celtics players while remaining optimistically intrigued by clearly inferior players.

Mike
Add this one:

28-year-old Amir Johnson:  12.6 points, 8.3 rebounds, 1.1 block

You rather have him at 12 mil or Biyombo at 3?

You're asking me if I'd rather overpay for the starting power forward of a team that went 49-33 last season or get a bargain for the tenth man in the rotation of a team that went 33-49 last season, who not only couldn't beat out Cody Zeller for playing time but the team who has been watching him every day in practice for years just made no effort at all to retain?

Do you think that's a hard question to answer?

Mike
It's also a team that signed Lance Stephenson, passed on Justise Winslow,  passed up 6 draft picks from Boston only to take Frank Kaminsky, limits arguably the best wing defender in the league (MKG) to under 30 minutes, traded their 19 year old #9 pick after only seeing him play in 25 games... the last 5 of which he averaged 7.2 points and 8.6 rebounds in 23.6mpg, runs their offense through a chucker who shoots 38% and 30% from three...

I've said repeatedly that the Hornets are in a 2-way race with the Sacramento Kings as the most dysfunctional teams in the league.

I didn't like Biyombo based on what he has done.  I like Biyombo based on what he can do.   He's an intriguing prospect.  two-year 6m is an absolute steal.  Good for Toronto.

Why, look at that!  I've never seen goalposts moved quite that quickly before!

The question you asked wasn't "Would you like Biyombo at 3?"  It was "Would you rather have Amir at 12 or Biyombo at 3?"  And again, I'd rather have the guy who has proven he can start for a winning team than the guy who has trouble getting off the bench for a losing team.

And since Charlotte drafted him, are you suggesting Charlotte was smart enough to recognize Biyombo's potential but too dumb to notice his development when they saw him at practice and games every day for several years?

Mike
yes... charlotte is that dumb. 

And yes, I'd rather have Biyombo at 2 years 6M over a rental of Amir Johnson at 12 mil.
Biyombo has no game. Amir Johnson actually plays with purpose and is a basketball player. There's a reason Biyombo went cheap.