No I'm one of those guys that likes to see what a guy does on the court and judge how he fits into our teams needs not whether or not he statitisticslly measure up. Maybe you didn't see the nba finals because you were crunching numbers but Andre IGuidala had the worse statistics of any nba mvp and was worse than curry and lebron. But if iggy isn't on the floor, isn't playing his role for his team, the Warriors may not win. Harris give this team, by your own admission, something it needs, rebounding and wing scoring. So if your searching your stats for someone that has all the numbers all in the percentages hat would qualify them as suitable for you standards, then please continue to search and let us know when you find one that will fit our system, our needs, and that you can get for around 15 mil a year.
Andre Iguodala in 2014/15 had an Offensive RPM of +0.18 and a Defensive RPM of +0.73, with his total RPM of +0.91 ranking him 24/100 (if you put him at SG) or 21/87 (if you put him at Small Forward). Regardless of which position you put him at, that ranks him in the top 25% of players at his position and clearly indicates that his team was better while he was on the court then it was when he was on the bench.
These are regular season numbers - if you were to find a source that lists these figures specifically for the playoffs (or better yet, finals) then I imagine you would find his overall RPM (and especially his Defensive RPM) would increase dramatically.
You aren't really helping your argument for Harris here. If he offered something his team needed so much (shooting and rebounding) as you say. then WHY did his team get worse rather than better - on both ends of the floor - any time he was on the court?
I mean his Offensive RPM is only slightly in the negative, so I'm willing to cut him some slack there and just call him even (i.e. a non factor), but his defensive rating is so bad that it absolutely cannot be ignored. A player needs to have a MASSIVE impact on the offensive end of the floor in order to offset such poor defense, and while Harris may be a 'decent' offensive player, he certainly isn't a great one.
Take Carmelo Anthony as a perfect example. The Knicks were one of the bottom 4 teams in the NBA last year, and Carmelo Anthony was almost as bad defensively as Tobias Harris was (-2.09 Defensive RPM). But Carmelo Anthony is one of the best offensive players of this generation, as evidenced by his Offensive RPM of +4.81 (good enough to rank him 6th in the entire league).
So as much as Anthony hurts his team on defense, he move than makes up for that with the way he carries them on offense. The end result is an overall RPM of +2.72 which is 11th among Small Forwards and which shows that (despite his defensive issues) the Knicks are still much better with him than they are without him.
But Harris (in contrast) doesn't come close to improving the Magic enough offensively, in order to make up for how much he hurts them defensively. He's offensive game is probably somewhat limited by that fact that he's not a good passer (1.9 assists per 36, 1.1 Assits/Turnover, on par with Avery Bradley). In fact if you look at his offensive profile, he's almost dead on par with Avery Bradley as an offensive player.
You can argue that Harris had value over Bradley because of his size and rebounding, but that's offset by Bradley's (obviously) far superior defense.
So considering the fact that nobody on the fact of this earth seems to consider Avery Bradley anywhere near deserving of a max contract...how could you possible make that same argument for Harris?
This is what I don't understand - the double standards. Why do Celtics fans (who seem to widely regard themselves as the best and most loyal fans in all sports) seem to love throwing dirt on our own players (e.g. Bradley), yet obsess and fall in love with similar quality players on other teams (like Harris).
The biggest knocks everybody here has on Bradley is that he can't pass, he can't dribble, and he'll never be a go-to scorer. How does Harris in any way escape those same criticisms?
How is it that guys here were fuming about Bradley getting $8m - $9m, but are all for throwing $15m at Harris?
None of this makes any sense at all.
Based on the type of comments I always see on CB about our own players, if Harris actually DID come here then it would take all of about 1 months before all the guys who are praising him right now suddenly start bagging him out for being a black hole, for being a chucker, and for being a horrible defensive player.