No Reason for Aldridge Sign and Trade

[tghiii]

With the new CBA rules, a signed and traded unrestricted free agent can only get the 4 year deal they would have received by signing outright with his new team.  If Aldridge wanted to sign here, it would make much more sense to just outright sign. 

So he would have to be willing to take much less than resigning with Portland.

[rondohondo]

If you can send away a package of Wallace(exp), Bradley and a pick it makes more sense than signing him outright. That way you would still have a bunch of cap space to sign another max player. You would also still have the big TPE from the rondo trade to add another player who makes 12 mil or less

[tghiii]

Well true, but you better have something certain in your back pocket to risk giving up Bradley and some more future assets.  A trade for Aldridge would mean you are trying to win now.  In which case, Ainge will want Bradley around.  Now if he could replace Bradley with Wes, then okay.
 

[Tr1boy]

If you can send away a package of Wallace(exp), Bradley and a pick it makes more sense than signing him outright. That way you would still have a bunch of cap space to sign another max player. You would also still have the big TPE from the rondo trade to add another player who makes 12 mil or less

No reason to give away ab. Wallace is coming off the books after this season

What other big name fa not named matthews can we get??

Better to wait until the tradr deadline to go in on a potential big name

[Ilikesports17]

If you can send away a package of Wallace(exp), Bradley and a pick it makes more sense than signing him outright. That way you would still have a bunch of cap space to sign another max player. You would also still have the big TPE from the rondo trade to add another player who makes 12 mil or less

Im not sure it does.

Using the same assets we have 2 choices.

Signing him:
we renounce our players we dont want and all our TE's, then we sign him outright.

Wed have about 4 mil left in cap space. We trade Wallace and a pick to dump cap, then trade AB for a whoever Utah or someone in the 10-14 range picked. Now we have another 20 mil in cap space to sign Wes Matthews or Deandre Jordan or whoever else we can sell Boston on now that we have Lamarcus Aldridge.
We could probably keep 1 RFA (Crowder is obvious option).
End result:
Gwallace AB pick cap
for
Aldridge Matthews 10-14 pick (Johnson, Turner, Oubre?)

or we could do it your way.

Here we  dont renounce.
Then we do the s & t
AB + GWall + pick for Aldridge

Now we can bring back Crowder and Jerebko etc etc and add a player via trade for less than 13 mil and 7  mil respectively
The first targets that come to mind would be Noah, Gibson, Faried, Lawson, Lowry but these require even more assets and Gibson and Faried would be redundant. Lets say we get noah for a pick.

now we give up
AB GWall 2 picks
for
Aldridge Noah we get to keep jerebko

I personally would rather have a 10-14 pick, and Wes Matthews

[rondohondo]

If you can send away a package of Wallace(exp), Bradley and a pick it makes more sense than signing him outright. That way you would still have a bunch of cap space to sign another max player. You would also still have the big TPE from the rondo trade to add another player who makes 12 mil or less

No reason to give away ab. Wallace is coming off the books after this season

What other big name fa not named matthews can we get??

Better to wait until the tradr deadline to go in on a potential big name

What other big free agents? Love, Jordan or Gasol would be the main targets. If you have Aldridge in place we become much more attractive .

Then. You could use the tpe to add Matthews

Pg : Smart.      / it
SG: Matthews / young
Sf: Crowder      / turner
Pf: Aldridge.     / sully
 C: Gasol or Jordan /zeller

[mahcus smaht]

If you can send away a package of Wallace(exp), Bradley and a pick it makes more sense than signing him outright. That way you would still have a bunch of cap space to sign another max player. You would also still have the big TPE from the rondo trade to add another player who makes 12 mil or less

No reason to give away ab. Wallace is coming off the books after this season

What other big name fa not named matthews can we get??

Better to wait until the tradr deadline to go in on a potential big name

What other big free agents? Love, Jordan or Gasol would be the main targets. If you have Aldridge in place we become much more attractive .

Then. You could use the tpe to add Matthews

Pg : Smart.      / it
SG: Matthews / young
Sf: Crowder      / turner
Pf: Aldridge.     / sully
 C: Gasol or Jordan /zeller

You cannot sign a player and use a TE in that order.
 
If we use the TE first we dont have the Cap space.

The best plan if you want 2 max guys is to dump Wallace with a pick, use AB or IT to get a lotto pick(only necessary if both are 19 mil maxs if they are 16 mil guys then the KO, ET, 16, 28 package for a higher pick works)  then sign them outright.

Ideally it looks like this

Wallace + 28 for nothing
KO + ET + 16 for 8
actually but for the sake of the argument Ill put him here
Sign Aldridge to 19 mil
Sign guy to 16 mil deal.

[crimson_stallion]

I didn't think that we could just trade Wallace for nothing and have his contract dissapear like that.

If you trade Wallace to another team with cap space, wouldn't that instead generate a $10M Trade Exception (rather then just clearing up $10M off the books)? 

If so, then doesn't that $10M exception still count against our cap as a form of cap hold?  If so, then aren't you basically still in the exact same position as if you just kept Wallace, except you've given up #28 to get there?

If my understanding is correct, the only way this would work as desired is if we traded Wallace + #28 to another team for a guy who's remaining contract is non guaranteed.  Then we could waive said player and get our cap space back.

Also is it really worth trading Wallace and giving up #28 just to ditch him?  Wouldn't it make more sense (now that he's only going to have one year left) to just use the stretch provision?  If I understand correctly we could then stretch his salary over four years (at $2.5M per year)  which essentially clears up $7.5M in cap space for this year.  Also the cap increases dramatically after next season, so you practically wouldn't even feel that $2.5M hit in the following seasons.  Is it worth giving up #28 just to save $2.5M over the next four years?

[Ilikesports17]

I didn't think that we could just trade Wallace for nothing and have his contract dissapear like that.

If you trade Wallace to another team with cap space, wouldn't that instead generate a $10M Trade Exception (rather then just clearing up $10M off the books)? 

If so, then doesn't that $10M exception still count against our cap as a form of cap hold?  If so, then aren't you basically still in the exact same position as if you just kept Wallace, except you've given up #28 to get there?

If my understanding is correct, the only way this would work as desired is if we traded Wallace + #28 to another team for a guy who's remaining contract is non guaranteed.  Then we could waive said player and get our cap space back.

Also is it really worth trading Wallace and giving up #28 just to ditch him?  Wouldn't it make more sense (now that he's only going to have one year left) to just use the stretch provision?  If I understand correctly we could then stretch his salary over four years (at $2.5M per year)  which essentially clears up $7.5M in cap space for this year.  Also the cap increases dramatically after next season, so you practically wouldn't even feel that $2.5M hit in the following seasons.  Is it worth giving up #28 just to save $2.5M over the next four years?

To your first point.

I am not sure how exceptions are generated, but I am sure that you can simply renounce them, and make the cap hold go away.

To the second one, Im not sure. There is a lot of interesting talent at the back end of the first round, but we still have 33 and 45 as well so if theres a guy we like there we should still be able to get him.

Also, it only makes sense to move Wallace if you are going to sign to max or close to max deals. We need the entire 11 mil freed up with Wallace + 28 to clear up the necessary cap.

[bballdog384]

What if there there is a sign and trade so Aldridge can get a 1 year deal and have his bird rights transferred to the C's. Then next off season the Celtics can sign him to a 5 year super max under the new salary cap.

[crimson_stallion]

What if there there is a sign and trade so Aldridge can get a 1 year deal and have his bird rights transferred to the C's. Then next off season the Celtics can sign him to a 5 year super max under the new salary cap.

To be honest, I'd much rather sign him right now and have him under $15M/year rather than sign him after the cap rise and have him for potentially $25M a year.

[bballdog384]

What if there there is a sign and trade so Aldridge can get a 1 year deal and have his bird rights transferred to the C's. Then next off season the Celtics can sign him to a 5 year super max under the new salary cap.

To be honest, I'd much rather sign him right now and have him under $15M/year rather than sign him after the cap rise and have him for potentially $25M a year.

Understood, but I'd rather have Aldridge at 25 million (especially under the new cap) than no Aldridge, even if it costs the C's a first round pick/player.

[vjcsmoke]

Aldridge would cost at least 20m per season, with an increase of 3.5% per season if he signed with the Celtics straight up.

If you gave him a 1 year deal, and then attempted to sign him to max, his salary could be as much as 30m+

Honestly, I'm not sure that anyone except 'prime' Michael Jordan is worth 30m plus salary per year.  url=http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2015/05/lamarcus_aldridges_contract_scenarios_with_the_tra.html]It would be a 'cap killer' contract.[/url]