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Re: The Celtics need to build through the 2015 draft
« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2015, 03:45:31 AM »

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Disagree with the OP. We don't NEED to build through this draft. We certainly could trade out of the draft to get someone good. Also, to say our chances at a key FA are slim to none is silly. First, just by having cap room we couldn't ever have a 0% chance ("none") right? If you think there are only 2 or 3 "key" FAs then maybe our chances are slim, but if you think there are at least 10 guys out there that would be key for us, we have a better than slim shot. I would say we have a better shot t adding a FA that really helps the team than someone we draft. I'd say getting a FA and drafting someone good are both likely, not unlikely, slim or none.


So what kind of FAs do you want to sign? Butler , Middleton for example?
These are good FAs to grab but you will have to overpay to grab their attention/prevent the Bucks to match for example.  Are they really worth it?  Especially when the 2016 FA period is better. More options/better FAs vs 2015 crop

I would go after help at the 4 and 5. I'd start by calling Love, Gasol, Jordan LMA and Sac about trading DMC. After that I would try Chandler or a trade for Noah. Then failing al that  I would look at guys like Lopez and Al Jefferson and others I am forgetting. I think we can get someone at the 4 or 5 who can be a starter here because the bar is pretty low.

Re: The Celtics need to build through the 2015 draft
« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2015, 09:54:03 AM »

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Disagree with the OP. We don't NEED to build through this draft. We certainly could trade out of the draft to get someone good. Also, to say our chances at a key FA are slim to none is silly. First, just by having cap room we couldn't ever have a 0% chance ("none") right? If you think there are only 2 or 3 "key" FAs then maybe our chances are slim, but if you think there are at least 10 guys out there that would be key for us, we have a better than slim shot. I would say we have a better shot t adding a FA that really helps the team than someone we draft. I'd say getting a FA and drafting someone good are both likely, not unlikely, slim or none.


So what kind of FAs do you want to sign? Butler , Middleton for example?
These are good FAs to grab but you will have to overpay to grab their attention/prevent the Bucks to match for example.  Are they really worth it?  Especially when the 2016 FA period is better. More options/better FAs vs 2015 crop

I would go after help at the 4 and 5. I'd start by calling Love, Gasol, Jordan LMA and Sac about trading DMC. After that I would try Chandler or a trade for Noah. Then failing al that  I would look at guys like Lopez and Al Jefferson and others I am forgetting. I think we can get someone at the 4 or 5 who can be a starter here because the bar is pretty low.
kosta koufos and festus ezeli i think can be had. I think we should go after them and trade up for Myles Turner then see if we can trade him for WCS with KO going to Sac.
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Re: The Celtics need to build through the 2015 draft
« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2015, 10:08:57 AM »

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- The chances we can bring in key FAs this upcoming season are slim to none.

-  Better chance to pickup key FAs from the 2016 FA period.

- There are alot more pf prospects coming in to workout for the Celtics than the past seasons.

- As much as I'm not a fan of Portis because we could use a frontcourt plus defender , he can spread the floor and has good quickness and overall size for a  pf. He had a good interview a few days ago and sounded like a positive guy.  Add 10-15 pounds of strength and who knows . If Ainge sees something in him, go for it. Also would not mind taking a risk at Upshaw at 16

- Add Jordan Mickey at 28 and you get that shot blocker on the team that you can put in in many different situations. Especiqlly if yoy got a guy like Lawson driving in at will.  Lob target also. Good defensive rebounder

- With the 33rd you can then draft the best shooter avalable or draft and stash

-  Same with the 45.

-At least one draft and stash (and there are lots of good looking ones) due to tight roster space

- do not reisgn Bass. Resign Jerebko that fits under cbs system

- trade Zeller for a future pick.

Lineup

C -  Portis
PF - Sullinger
SF - Turner
SG - AB
PG - Smart - more ball handling responsibility

Bench

C - KO
PF- Jerebko/Mickey
SF - Crowder
SG - Young/45th pick (3 pt shpoting specialists)
Pg - IT/Pressey

Thoughts?

Wait, what?

So many questions...

Why are our chances "slim to none" to sign a key free agent? The reports about Love should be a confidence builder. If not, we can still target other guys such as Middleton, Monroe, etc.

So you think it's better to wait until 2016 to sign a free agent when EVERYONE has cap space, rather than this season when few teams do?

A lot of prospects are coming in because we have a lot of picks.

Upshaw at 16 is too much of a reach. He may sneak into the second round as is.

You and Mickey. He's a projected late 1st/early 2nd pick for a reason. A hope for the best pick , but you're setting yourself up for disappointment if you expect him to come in and play meaningful minutes from the start.

Isn't getting "the best shooter at #33" sort of like getting the best steak you can buy for a dollar?

Re: The Celtics need to build through the 2015 draft
« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2015, 10:36:57 AM »

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- The chances we can bring in key FAs this upcoming season are slim to none.

-  Better chance to pickup key FAs from the 2016 FA period.

- There are alot more pf prospects coming in to workout for the Celtics than the past seasons.

- As much as I'm not a fan of Portis because we could use a frontcourt plus defender , he can spread the floor and has good quickness and overall size for a  pf. He had a good interview a few days ago and sounded like a positive guy.  Add 10-15 pounds of strength and who knows . If Ainge sees something in him, go for it. Also would not mind taking a risk at Upshaw at 16

- Add Jordan Mickey at 28 and you get that shot blocker on the team that you can put in in many different situations. Especiqlly if yoy got a guy like Lawson driving in at will.  Lob target also. Good defensive rebounder

- With the 33rd you can then draft the best shooter avalable or draft and stash

-  Same with the 45.

-At least one draft and stash (and there are lots of good looking ones) due to tight roster space

- do not reisgn Bass. Resign Jerebko that fits under cbs system

- trade Zeller for a future pick.

Lineup

C -  Portis
PF - Sullinger
SF - Turner
SG - AB
PG - Smart - more ball handling responsibility

Bench

C - KO
PF- Jerebko/Mickey
SF - Crowder
SG - Young/45th pick (3 pt shpoting specialists)
Pg - IT/Pressey

Thoughts?

Wait, what?

So many questions...

Why are our chances "slim to none" to sign a key free agent? The reports about Love should be a confidence builder. If not, we can still target other guys such as Middleton, Monroe, etc.

So you think it's better to wait until 2016 to sign a free agent when EVERYONE has cap space, rather than this season when few teams do?

A lot of prospects are coming in because we have a lot of picks.

Upshaw at 16 is too much of a reach. He may sneak into the second round as is.

You and Mickey. He's a projected late 1st/early 2nd pick for a reason. A hope for the best pick , but you're setting yourself up for disappointment if you expect him to come in and play meaningful minutes from the start.

Isn't getting "the best shooter at #33" sort of like getting the best steak you can buy for a dollar?
Hmmm.. dollar steaks. Little chewy and thin but put more sauce on it.

Re: The Celtics need to build through the 2015 draft
« Reply #19 on: May 29, 2015, 10:51:24 AM »

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The concept is really the only way to do a proper build for a mid market team. It would be bad for the organization to sign someone like Kevin Love and tie max money into an injury prone 4. Guys like WCS and Portis would be much better fits than Love. If they really want to make a splash deal half our picks to Minnesota over the next 4 years and get a real difference maker in Okafor or Towns. Both are franchise big men which Love is not.

Re: The Celtics need to build through the 2015 draft
« Reply #20 on: May 29, 2015, 10:54:52 AM »

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The concept is really the only way to do a proper build for a mid market team. It would be bad for the organization to sign someone like Kevin Love and tie max money into an injury prone 4. Guys like WCS and Portis would be much better fits than Love. If they really want to make a splash deal half our picks to Minnesota over the next 4 years and get a real difference maker in Okafor or Towns. Both are franchise big men which Love is not.

I mean, if any franchise is not going to part with a franchise big it's Minnesota. If they can almost break .500 with Kevin Love they should have no problem making the playoffs with Okafor or Towns.
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Re: The Celtics need to build through the 2015 draft
« Reply #21 on: May 29, 2015, 11:08:56 AM »

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Personally, I have ZERO interest in building through the draft and waiting another 5-6 years for this team to make the playoffs again.

I'd like to hope Stevens and Ainge feel the same way.

Certainly if we can draft a difference maker than so be it, but to solely focus on building though the draft to become good again is a HUGE mistake.

Especially when as it stands, our picks aren't that desirable at 16 and 29 and there's no indication any team in the top 10 is going to be willing to trade their pick to us.

The Celts have cap space and it's time to use it.

We need stars!

Also, there's no guarantee ANY of the players in the draft are going to pan out.

Re: The Celtics need to build through the 2015 draft
« Reply #22 on: May 29, 2015, 11:12:16 AM »

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The concept is really the only way to do a proper build for a mid market team. It would be bad for the organization to sign someone like Kevin Love and tie max money into an injury prone 4. Guys like WCS and Portis would be much better fits than Love. If they really want to make a splash deal half our picks to Minnesota over the next 4 years and get a real difference maker in Okafor or Towns. Both are franchise big men which Love is not.

This is the Boston Celtics, not the Milwaukee Bucks or Charlotte Hornets.  The Celtics are one of the proudest franchises in the league with a legendary legacy. We are more than a mid-market team and I disagree we should buy into the crap shoot of becoming good through the draft.

Also, no one knows for sure if Okafor or Towns are going to be "difference makers." They could be another Kwame Brown for all we know.

Re: The Celtics need to build through the 2015 draft
« Reply #23 on: May 29, 2015, 11:20:26 AM »

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The concept is really the only way to do a proper build for a mid market team. It would be bad for the organization to sign someone like Kevin Love and tie max money into an injury prone 4. Guys like WCS and Portis would be much better fits than Love. If they really want to make a splash deal half our picks to Minnesota over the next 4 years and get a real difference maker in Okafor or Towns. Both are franchise big men which Love is not.

This is the Boston Celtics, not the Milwaukee Bucks or Charlotte Hornets.  The Celtics are one of the proudest franchises in the league with a legendary legacy. We are more than a mid-market team and I disagree we should buy into the crap shoot of becoming good through the draft.

Also, no one knows for sure if Okafor or Towns are going to be "difference makers." They could be another Kwame Brown for all we know.

The Celtics were mostly relevant in the pre Jordan era. Most of these players grew up in a time where there was no real difference between the Hornets Bucks and Celtics. They cannot sign a max free agent because of weather and nightlife and lack of endorsements.

Re: The Celtics need to build through the 2015 draft
« Reply #24 on: May 29, 2015, 11:28:58 AM »

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The concept is really the only way to do a proper build for a mid market team.

The Celtics are not a mid-market team.
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Re: The Celtics need to build through the 2015 draft
« Reply #25 on: May 29, 2015, 11:36:35 AM »

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The concept is really the only way to do a proper build for a mid market team. It would be bad for the organization to sign someone like Kevin Love and tie max money into an injury prone 4. Guys like WCS and Portis would be much better fits than Love. If they really want to make a splash deal half our picks to Minnesota over the next 4 years and get a real difference maker in Okafor or Towns. Both are franchise big men which Love is not.

This is the Boston Celtics, not the Milwaukee Bucks or Charlotte Hornets.  The Celtics are one of the proudest franchises in the league with a legendary legacy. We are more than a mid-market team and I disagree we should buy into the crap shoot of becoming good through the draft.

Also, no one knows for sure if Okafor or Towns are going to be "difference makers." They could be another Kwame Brown for all we know.

The Celtics were mostly relevant in the pre Jordan era. Most of these players grew up in a time where there was no real difference between the Hornets Bucks and Celtics. They cannot sign a max free agent because of weather and nightlife and lack of endorsements.

Not sure if trolling or just wrong, but there is certainly something to be said about the palpable reaction the Celtics get from us, the game-attending fans, when they are a good team. It's Boston, Golden State, and Detroit that actually give a palpable home court advantage to their title-contending teams, IMO.
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Re: The Celtics need to build through the 2015 draft
« Reply #26 on: May 29, 2015, 11:41:18 AM »

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Shockingly, I disagree with the premise.

This team is most likely going to build through a combination of trades & free agent signings, IMO.  Not building via this particular draft by becoming enamored with mid to late 1st round talent.


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Re: The Celtics need to build through the 2015 draft
« Reply #27 on: May 29, 2015, 11:52:50 AM »

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Shockingly, I disagree with the premise.

This team is most likely going to build through a combination of trades & free agent signings, IMO.  Not building via this particular draft by becoming enamored with mid to late 1st round talent.

Trades yes but like Danny has said, he needs partners to dance with.   Danny can offer whatever for the #4 and on paper looks like a good deal but the Knicks say no.

Trades and signing FAs is almost like winning 5 spots up in the draft lotto.  Good trades , signings does not happen frequently

I ask this question again, who was the last key FA that signed with the Celtics. ... waiting..

yeah that is the answer.   

Bulding through the draft is the "safe" and realistic answer right now.    We will get the chance. Have to prepare and choose the best players we can pick to work with the team to replace guys like Bass etc.  , add more talent level and in case we fail to do anything in the offseason

Re: The Celtics need to build through the 2015 draft
« Reply #28 on: May 29, 2015, 11:56:42 AM »

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Shockingly, I disagree with the premise.

This team is most likely going to build through a combination of trades & free agent signings, IMO.  Not building via this particular draft by becoming enamored with mid to late 1st round talent.

Trades yes but like Danny has said, he needs partners to dance with.   Danny can offer whatever for the #4 and on paper looks like a good deal but the Knicks say no.

Trades and signing FAs is almost like winning 5 spots up in the draft lotto.  Good trades , signings does not happen frequently

I ask this question again, who was the last key FA that signed with the Celtics. ... waiting..

yeah that is the answer.   

Bulding through the draft is the "safe" and realistic answer right now.    We will get the chance. Have to prepare and choose the best players we can pick to work with the team to replace guys like Bass etc.  , add more talent level and in case we fail to do anything in the offseason

The last key FA that signed with the Celtics was arguably Kevin Garnett, if you consider the fact that he waived an informal no-trade agreement to join the team after vetoing one trade to Boston and one trade to Los Angeles.
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Re: The Celtics need to build through the 2015 draft
« Reply #29 on: May 29, 2015, 11:58:34 AM »

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Shockingly, I disagree with the premise.

This team is most likely going to build through a combination of trades & free agent signings, IMO.  Not building via this particular draft by becoming enamored with mid to late 1st round talent.

Trades yes but like Danny has said, he needs partners to dance with.   Danny can offer whatever for the #4 and on paper looks like a good deal but the Knicks say no.

Trades and signing FAs is almost like winning 5 spots up in the draft lotto.  Good trades , signings does not happen frequently

I ask this question again, who was the last key FA that signed with the Celtics. ... waiting..

yeah that is the answer.   

Bulding through the draft is the "safe" and realistic answer right now.    We will get the chance. Have to prepare and choose the best players we can pick to work with the team to replace guys like Bass etc.  , add more talent level and in case we fail to do anything in the offseason

Drafting at 16, 28, & 33 is "safe"?

Tell me the surefire guys they're going to get at those spots?  Can't miss guys?  Waiting...

Yeah, i thought so.     


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