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The Celtics need to build through the 2015 draft
« on: May 28, 2015, 10:49:11 PM »

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- The chances we can bring in key FAs this upcoming season are slim to none.

-  Better chance to pickup key FAs from the 2016 FA period.

- There are alot more pf prospects coming in to workout for the Celtics than the past seasons.

- As much as I'm not a fan of Portis because we could use a frontcourt plus defender , he can spread the floor and has good quickness and overall size for a  pf. He had a good interview a few days ago and sounded like a positive guy.  Add 10-15 pounds of strength and who knows . If Ainge sees something in him, go for it. Also would not mind taking a risk at Upshaw at 16

- Add Jordan Mickey at 28 and you get that shot blocker on the team that you can put in in many different situations. Especiqlly if yoy got a guy like Lawson driving in at will.  Lob target also. Good defensive rebounder

- With the 33rd you can then draft the best shooter avalable or draft and stash

-  Same with the 45.

-At least one draft and stash (and there are lots of good looking ones) due to tight roster space

- do not reisgn Bass. Resign Jerebko that fits under cbs system

- trade Zeller for a future pick.

Lineup

C -  Portis
PF - Sullinger
SF - Turner
SG - AB
PG - Smart - more ball handling responsibility

Bench

C - KO
PF- Jerebko/Mickey
SF - Crowder
SG - Young/45th pick (3 pt shpoting specialists)
Pg - IT/Pressey

Thoughts?

Re: The Celtics need to build through the 2015 draft
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2015, 10:55:09 PM »

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- The chances we can bring in key FAs this upcoming season are slim to none. How do you know that?

Better chance to pickup key FAs from the 2016 FA period. Ummm, no... If we build through the draft by tanking or inherently not making the playoffs this year, free agents are going to think last year making the playoffs was a fluke.

- There are alot more pf prospects coming in to workout for the Celtics than the past seasons.
What is your infatuation with undersized power forwards with large wingspans?

- As much as I'm not a fan of Portis because we could use a frontcourt plus defender , he can spread the floor and has good quickness and overall size for a  pf. He had a good interview a few days ago and sounded like a positive guy.  Add 10-15 pounds of strength and who knows . If Ainge sees something in him, go for it. Also would not mind taking a risk at Upshaw at 16
Well this is your personal opinion, so I'm not going to disagree with this.

- Add Jordan Mickey at 28 and you get that shot blocker on the team that you can put in in many different situations. Especiqlly if yoy got a guy like Lawson driving in at will.  Lob target also. Good defensive rebounder

- With the 33rd you can then draft the best shooter avalable or draft and stash

-  Same with the 45.

-At least one draft and stash (and there are lots of good looking ones) due to tight roster space

- do not reisgn Bass. Resign Jerebko that fits under cbs system

- trade Zeller for a future pick.

Lineup

C -  Portis
PF - Sullinger
SF - Turner
SG - AB
PG - Smart - more ball handling responsibility

Bench

C - KO
PF- Jerebko/Mickey
SF - Crowder
SG - Young/45th pick (3 pt shpoting specialists)
Pg - IT/Pressey

Thoughts?

Don't know too much about the draft after the first round, but honestly... Screw the draft, and just FOCUS on bringing in big men or drafting big men. You should never draft for BPA, but CAN WE STOP BRINGING IN GUARDS OR TWEENERS?!??

We have needed a defensive Center, or a competent one for how long? I'm hoping and keeping my fingers crossed someone like Gasol, Asik, or Noah/Hibbert comes here.

We need size.
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Re: The Celtics need to build through the 2015 draft
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2015, 10:59:34 PM »

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Building through a draft in which their best pick is #16? And using that pick to take probably the most controversial player in the 1st round? Seems like betting on the longest of long shots.
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Re: The Celtics need to build through the 2015 draft
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2015, 11:03:14 PM »

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We need DeAndre Jordan and a KO+Sully upgrade at 4 (Love, puke, does fit here). If we land 2 fringe all-star players, finding a SF could become easier. Need to be willing to part ways with our young'ns and picks though (history suggests that's a major non-issue with DA here).

As triboy pointed out in another thread, though, I highly doubt either of the first 2 acquisitions are at all possible. Hopefully we can move up in the draft and finally land a big difference maker.
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Re: The Celtics need to build through the 2015 draft
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2015, 11:20:14 PM »

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We need DeAndre Jordan and a KO+Sully upgrade at 4 (Love, puke, does fit here). If we land 2 fringe all-star players, finding a SF could become easier. Need to be willing to part ways with our young'ns and picks though (history suggests that's a major non-issue with DA here).

As triboy pointed out in another thread, though, I highly doubt either of the first 2 acquisitions are at all possible. Hopefully we can move up in the draft and finally land a big difference maker.

The big difference maker would be WCS.  No mystery there.  Reading though that there is a high chance the Kings will not pass him up.  Cousins (offense) and WCS (defense) could potentially be deadly if it all works out. Celtics would have to trade up to pick 4th or 5th.   If the Knicks would take Zeller, Sullinger, Young and 16th pick for Calderon, 4th (WCS)  would do the trade?

*trade Calderon after

C- WCS/28th pick
PF - KO/Jerebo
C- Turner/Crowder
SG - AB/33rd pick
PG - Smart/IT/AB


If not , Portis is not an ideal center/pf but he has good height, decent length. Wiry strength. Effort. Quick on the court, just doesn't have much lift.   It would be kind of like getting a Monroe type frontcourt player.  That is not bad

Then you can balance things out by getting a good frontcourt defender/shot blocker like Mickey at 28. 

Re: The Celtics need to build through the 2015 draft
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2015, 11:24:44 PM »

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If Danny can pull off some trades involving our young role players and middling picks to get a couple of top 10 selections in this draft, I'd be on board with this "build through the 2015 draft" thing.

I'm not of the opinion that the Celts "have to" get better right away this summer, and I also tend to think improving drastically through free agency is unlikely.
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Re: The Celtics need to build through the 2015 draft
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2015, 11:31:51 PM »

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You don't Win anything in this league with Mediocre to Good Players..ask Atlanta...you NEED Stars...I doubt Ainge wants to build through the draft, so we can squeak into the playoffs.

Use all these Picks to Move up, or trade out-- is the best strategy....Get Stars Get Stars Get Stars.
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Re: The Celtics need to build through the 2015 draft
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2015, 11:34:30 PM »

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We need DeAndre Jordan and a KO+Sully upgrade at 4 (Love, puke, does fit here). If we land 2 fringe all-star players, finding a SF could become easier. Need to be willing to part ways with our young'ns and picks though (history suggests that's a major non-issue with DA here).

As triboy pointed out in another thread, though, I highly doubt either of the first 2 acquisitions are at all possible. Hopefully we can move up in the draft and finally land a big difference maker.

The big difference maker would be WCS.  No mystery there.  Reading though that there is a high chance the Kings will not pass him up.  Cousins (offense) and WCS (defense) could potentially be deadly if it all works out. Celtics would have to trade up to pick 4th or 5th.   If the Knicks would take Zeller, Sullinger, Young and 16th pick for Calderon, 4th (WCS)  would do the trade?

*trade Calderon after

C- WCS/28th pick
PF - KO/Jerebo
C- Turner/Crowder
SG - AB/33rd pick
PG - Smart/IT/AB


If not , Portis is not an ideal center/pf but he has good height, decent length. Wiry strength. Effort. Quick on the court, just doesn't have much lift.   It would be kind of like getting a Monroe type frontcourt player.  That is not bad

Then you can balance things out by getting a good frontcourt defender/shot blocker like Mickey at 28.

I agree on both picks. Both appear slotted to be within our ranges, and I envision Portis as a glorified KO+Sully, Mickey as a very athletic big that can defend. Concern that they would both be too small to contribute at C very often, but then again they are only 20 and could even continue to grow. IDK man, I'm getting too greedy here. I do strongly agree with your premise that this is the year to build thru the draft, while next year is better suited for FA. Think the 2 would complement each other well, also, just craving a star right now that seems out of reach. But if we do stand pat with 16 and 28, I wouldn't not be disappointed with these selections. What are you thoughts on Upshaw? I'm guess no dice...
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Re: The Celtics need to build through the 2015 draft
« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2015, 11:54:15 PM »

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This team already has a lot of role players and youth.  They don't need 3 or 4 rookies ranging from the 16th to 45th picks.  Ainge is going to make a move... or maybe I'm just being hopeful.

Re: The Celtics need to build through the 2015 draft
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2015, 12:18:46 AM »

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Disagree with the OP. We don't NEED to build through this draft. We certainly could trade out of the draft to get someone good. Also, to say our chances at a key FA are slim to none is silly. First, just by having cap room we couldn't ever have a 0% chance ("none") right? If you think there are only 2 or 3 "key" FAs then maybe our chances are slim, but if you think there are at least 10 guys out there that would be key for us, we have a better than slim shot. I would say we have a better shot t adding a FA that really helps the team than someone we draft. I'd say getting a FA and drafting someone good are both likely, not unlikely, slim or none.

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« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2015, 12:27:56 AM »

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Disagree with the OP. We don't NEED to build through this draft. We certainly could trade out of the draft to get someone good. Also, to say our chances at a key FA are slim to none is silly. First, just by having cap room we couldn't ever have a 0% chance ("none") right? If you think there are only 2 or 3 "key" FAs then maybe our chances are slim, but if you think there are at least 10 guys out there that would be key for us, we have a better than slim shot. I would say we have a better shot t adding a FA that really helps the team than someone we draft. I'd say getting a FA and drafting someone good are both likely, not unlikely, slim or none.

Some people seem to think that no elite free agent would ever sign in Boston.  They point to the fact that the Celtics never sign top free agents and state that weather and lifestyle are the major factors.  I don't understand that argument.  The Celtics have never had significant cap space and a decent team at the same time.  They have never had a problem retaining their own players.  Other major sports teams in Boston have had no problem signing elite talent.  This Celtics team will be an attractive team to play for.  Whether or not Ainge can pull something off is another story.
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Re: The Celtics need to build through the 2015 draft
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2015, 12:36:52 AM »

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triboy, changed my mind. I've consistently consider Upshaw at 28, and I do think our glaring need for a rim protector is worth the risk here. Pretty certain I'd pull the trigger here and take a flyer on him. Benefits seem to far outweigh the costs at 28.
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Re: The Celtics need to build through the 2015 draft
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2015, 01:14:18 AM »

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Disagree with the OP. We don't NEED to build through this draft. We certainly could trade out of the draft to get someone good. Also, to say our chances at a key FA are slim to none is silly. First, just by having cap room we couldn't ever have a 0% chance ("none") right? If you think there are only 2 or 3 "key" FAs then maybe our chances are slim, but if you think there are at least 10 guys out there that would be key for us, we have a better than slim shot. I would say we have a better shot t adding a FA that really helps the team than someone we draft. I'd say getting a FA and drafting someone good are both likely, not unlikely, slim or none.

So what kind of FAs do you want to sign? Butler , Middleton for example?
These are good FAs to grab but you will have to overpay to grab their attention/prevent the Bucks to match for example.  Are they really worth it?  Especially when the 2016 FA period is better. More options/better FAs vs 2015 crop


Re: The Celtics need to build through the 2015 draft
« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2015, 01:18:30 AM »

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We need DeAndre Jordan and a KO+Sully upgrade at 4 (Love, puke, does fit here). If we land 2 fringe all-star players, finding a SF could become easier. Need to be willing to part ways with our young'ns and picks though (history suggests that's a major non-issue with DA here).

As triboy pointed out in another thread, though, I highly doubt either of the first 2 acquisitions are at all possible. Hopefully we can move up in the draft and finally land a big difference maker.

The big difference maker would be WCS.  No mystery there.  Reading though that there is a high chance the Kings will not pass him up.  Cousins (offense) and WCS (defense) could potentially be deadly if it all works out. Celtics would have to trade up to pick 4th or 5th.   If the Knicks would take Zeller, Sullinger, Young and 16th pick for Calderon, 4th (WCS)  would do the trade?

*trade Calderon after

C- WCS/28th pick
PF - KO/Jerebo
C- Turner/Crowder
SG - AB/33rd pick
PG - Smart/IT/AB


If not , Portis is not an ideal center/pf but he has good height, decent length. Wiry strength. Effort. Quick on the court, just doesn't have much lift.   It would be kind of like getting a Monroe type frontcourt player.  That is not bad

Then you can balance things out by getting a good frontcourt defender/shot blocker like Mickey at 28.

I agree on both picks. Both appear slotted to be within our ranges, and I envision Portis as a glorified KO+Sully, Mickey as a very athletic big that can defend. Concern that they would both be too small to contribute at C very often, but then again they are only 20 and could even continue to grow. IDK man, I'm getting too greedy here. I do strongly agree with your premise that this is the year to build thru the draft, while next year is better suited for FA. Think the 2 would complement each other well, also, just craving a star right now that seems out of reach. But if we do stand pat with 16 and 28, I wouldn't not be disappointed with these selections. What are you thoughts on Upshaw? I'm guess no dice...

you know no teams have brought in Upshaw for an individual workout yet. Or I haven't read.   Not scheduled to workout for the Celtics yet.   

Maybe 28 and not likely 16.  33 definitely I would guess
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Re: The Celtics need to build through the 2015 draft
« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2015, 02:30:55 AM »

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Welcome into the "Portis isn't bad at 16" camp Triboy. I agree this team needs to build through the draft in general as FAs are unlikely. But let's see if they strike out on FAs first before we deal some nice young players. If Cs strike out then think about moving Sully, Turner, AB, Zeller and even IT  :(. I think having a shot at Lab and Simmons could be Durant, Griffin and/or Davis like in one draft so I have no worries about taking a step back. I don't want Mikey at 28. I want Upshaw, Woods, Harrell, Vezenkov or Justin Anderson there. At 33 I'd be okay with Mickey or Alexander.

I kind of hope team lands Gasol and Butler in FA or decides to build through the draft. I want elite players or continue building. Lab and Simmons seem like the real deal way above Okafor and Towns. Lab and Simmons look like game and franchise changers.
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