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Would you trade Bradley and the Clippers pick for Anthony Morrow and the number 14

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Trade Avery + 28 for Morrow and #14
« on: May 25, 2015, 08:47:18 PM »

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anthony Morrow and DJ Augustin to make two salaries match plus we save a little bit of money Averyet a better chance to win this year with Kevin Durant possibly they get a better chance to win this year with Kevin Durant possibly leaving so you get Avery Bradley in his prime to play a perfect compliment roll to the heavy shooting Westbrook and Durant you get your three and D guy to play his role and have a real chance to win next year for us we get the 14th and 16th pick have a chance to bring into guys I can make an impact dealer no deal.

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« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2015, 08:51:41 PM »

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The main thing that gives me pause is that I've read there's not a ton of value in the 12-20 range of this draft.  If we're trading to move up, I'd like to get into the 8-11 range, ideally.
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« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2015, 09:04:01 PM »

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The main thing that gives me pause is that I've read there's not a ton of value in the 12-20 range of this draft.  If we're trading to move up, I'd like to get into the 8-11 range, ideally.

I agree.  #14 doesn't interest me.  Get into the top 11 and then I will be intrigued.

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« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2015, 09:36:41 PM »

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OKC says no. Maybe if you swap out Morrow for Lamb or Waiters.

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« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2015, 10:06:23 PM »

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OKC says no. Maybe if you swap out Morrow for Lamb or Waiters.

They wouldn't say no. Boston wouldn't propose that. Morrow is a rotational stretch 4. We have a couple of those already, and none of them are going out in this trade. Bradley is the perfect complimentary piece to put next to KD and Westbrook. If your Boston, if your using Bradley to turn 28 into 14, OKC needs to include someone better. No chance they take Waiters, Steven Adams is a guy we'd take and with Kanter, McGary and Ibaka there he's looking more expendable. They'd want more if they include him though. We need a SF and Perry Jones has shown some good potential. Point being, Bradley is a valuable player in this league. Better than a pick swap and Morrow good.

OKC HAS to find someone to take Waiters from them. With KD back, Westbrook, Ibaka, Kanter and Augustin that dude will be toxic to there chemistry. He's a less talented version of DeMar DeRozen, take whatever anyone will give you for him and push Ainge hard for Bradley. If they wanna get to a chip, they need to dump Waiters.

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« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2015, 10:11:29 PM »

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 Does the idea of drafting Myles Turner and Robert Upshaw excite you. Because that's very possible.


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« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2015, 10:14:41 PM »

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The main thing that gives me pause is that I've read there's not a ton of value in the 12-20 range of this draft.  If we're trading to move up, I'd like to get into the 8-11 range, ideally.

Miami should be a willing partner. They're in "win now" mode and AB fits with their other guards.



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« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2015, 10:20:17 PM »

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OKC says no. Maybe if you swap out Morrow for Lamb or Waiters.

They wouldn't say no. Boston wouldn't propose that. Morrow is a rotational stretch 4. We have a couple of those already, and none of them are going out in this trade. Bradley is the perfect complimentary piece to put next to KD and Westbrook. If your Boston, if your using Bradley to turn 28 into 14, OKC needs to include someone better. No chance they take Waiters, Steven Adams is a guy we'd take and with Kanter, McGary and Ibaka there he's looking more expendable. They'd want more if they include him though. We need a SF and Perry Jones has shown some good potential. Point being, Bradley is a valuable player in this league. Better than a pick swap and Morrow good.

OKC HAS to find someone to take Waiters from them. With KD back, Westbrook, Ibaka, Kanter and Augustin that dude will be toxic to there chemistry. He's a less talented version of DeMar DeRozen, take whatever anyone will give you for him and push Ainge hard for Bradley. If they wanna get to a chip, they need to dump Waiters.
Morrow is a 6'5" 3 point specialist 2 guard. He is not a stretch 4.

I actually like Waiters. He played next to Kyrie and Lebron, then Russel Westbrook this year. If you put him on a team where he can handle the ball more he could be successful, but with IT on the roster it doesnt make sense.
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« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2015, 10:21:36 PM »

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OKC says no. Maybe if you swap out Morrow for Lamb or Waiters.

They wouldn't say no. Boston wouldn't propose that. Morrow is a rotational stretch 4.

Since when has shooting guard Anthony Morrow been a "stretch 4"? And OKC says no because Morrow is crucial to their offense. Their best offensive lineups largely all feature Morrow. He's an elite three-point shooter; Bradley is not. Given that OKC has been looking for a guy like Morrow ever since they let Martin go, they're not just going to get rid of him unless they get back another 40%+ shooter in return.

As for the rest of the stuff about Waiters being a cancer: you have fun pushing that narrative, but I'll continue actually watching OKC games and noticing that he readily defers to KD and Westbrook.

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« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2015, 10:24:05 PM »

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The main thing that gives me pause is that I've read there's not a ton of value in the 12-20 range of this draft.  If we're trading to move up, I'd like to get into the 8-11 range, ideally.

Miami should be a willing partner. They're in "win now" mode and AB fits with their other guards.
With Wade missing a lot of time I agree with you here.

I may be wrong but I dont believe Dragic is a great defender so adding AB would be nice for them. I would think AB and maybe 28 could get you pick 10.

I liked your( i believe it was yours) idea about Sully + Turner + 28 for 10 because they are so old with Deng, Wade, and Bosh being huge question marks you bring in Turner who is proven to be the ultimate garbage man. He can run the offense, score a bit, rebound well, play the 1 through 3 etc. Then you have Sully who gives you bosh insurance and also gives you a great frontcourt. Plus they immediately become the 2 best guys off what was previously a weak bench.
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« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2015, 10:26:21 PM »

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OKC says no. Maybe if you swap out Morrow for Lamb or Waiters.

They wouldn't say no. Boston wouldn't propose that. Morrow is a rotational stretch 4.

Since when has shooting guard Anthony Morrow been a "stretch 4"? And OKC says no because Morrow is crucial to their offense. Their best offensive lineups largely all feature Morrow. He's an elite three-point shooter. Bradley is not.

As for the rest of the stuff about Waiters being a cancer: you have fun pushing that narrative, but I'll continue actually watching OKC games and noticing that he readily defers to KD and Westbrook.
How do you feel about Waiters? When he is at his best he looks like DWade out there, but when he gets into JR Swish mode he is awful.

I think hes very attainable and I like his upside, but is there any scenario where he can exist on our team without hurting chemistry or the on court product?

I think he and IT would really but heads.
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« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2015, 11:20:34 PM »

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Waiters is a below-average player with potential to become average and, if OKC has their way, good enough to become their starting shooting guard. He's nothing special at this point, but there's still a ton of room for growth.

IT & Waiters would be a bad mix in lineups with each other. Ideally, one of the two would be paired in the starting lineup with Smart.

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« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2015, 12:00:35 AM »

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OKC says no. Maybe if you swap out Morrow for Lamb or Waiters.

They wouldn't say no. Boston wouldn't propose that. Morrow is a rotational stretch 4. We have a couple of those already, and none of them are going out in this trade. Bradley is the perfect complimentary piece to put next to KD and Westbrook. If your Boston, if your using Bradley to turn 28 into 14, OKC needs to include someone better. No chance they take Waiters, Steven Adams is a guy we'd take and with Kanter, McGary and Ibaka there he's looking more expendable. They'd want more if they include him though. We need a SF and Perry Jones has shown some good potential. Point being, Bradley is a valuable player in this league. Better than a pick swap and Morrow good.

OKC HAS to find someone to take Waiters from them. With KD back, Westbrook, Ibaka, Kanter and Augustin that dude will be toxic to there chemistry. He's a less talented version of DeMar DeRozen, take whatever anyone will give you for him and push Ainge hard for Bradley. If they wanna get to a chip, they need to dump Waiters.
Morrow is a 6'5" 3 point specialist 2 guard. He is not a stretch 4.

I actually like Waiters. He played next to Kyrie and Lebron, then Russel Westbrook this year. If you put him on a team where he can handle the ball more he could be successful, but with IT on the roster it doesnt make sense.

Wow, idk why I thought he was playing in KD's place as a small ball stretch 4. Maybe that was Robertson?

Anywho, Waiters is like a guy who came along ten or twenty years too late. Nick Young is the same way. Yeah, they can put up points in the box score, but he's WAY to ball-dominant, he hates to pass, his ability to create shots off the dribble comes and goes, he's a below average 3 point shooter and takes heaps of inefficient shots. With all the offensive firepower that team has, the last thing they need is a guy who's earned every bit of his "Waiters Island" nickname, and on top of his poor attitude will be absolutely toxic to them this year. Last year with all the injuries they got away with it. But Durant and Westbrook are probably gonna jump him in the locker room after the third or fourth game

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« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2015, 12:11:22 AM »

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 Does the idea of drafting Myles Turner and Robert Upshaw excite you. Because that's very possible.

Well, kinda. But they're both Center projects with big-time upside. I'm not super-confident that Turner is gonna develop a consistent 3 point shot at the next level. The way the NBA is going, if he can't do that then he's gotta become nearly automatic from mid-range ala KG. That could turn into a spacing nightmare if Turners shot doesn't develop well.

Upshaw will he available somewhere in the 20s. I have big doubts he even gets into the 1st round, but GMs love upside and measurable a so it's possible. But of we really want him, we can use our later picks and a future pick to grab him. We need to roll 16 and a player (AB, Sully, KO, Zeller, Young) into a top 10 pick and take the BPA. Then if that player isn't WCS, I'd consider moving around my later picks for Upshaw.

People underestimate how glaring his red flags are because of the lack of public info surrounding them. Two programs, two seasons and he only played in like 20 games? NBA teams have that info, they'll get to meet with him, and unless he seems like a truly changed man I doubt they take him earlier than 20. Whatever it is, it can't be good.

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« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2015, 12:17:12 AM »

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 Does the idea of drafting Myles Turner and Robert Upshaw excite you. Because that's very possible.

Well, kinda. But they're both Center projects with big-time upside. I'm not super-confident that Turner is gonna develop a consistent 3 point shot at the next level. The way the NBA is going, if he can't do that then he's gotta become nearly automatic from mid-range ala KG. That could turn into a spacing nightmare if Turners shot doesn't develop well.

Upshaw will he available somewhere in the 20s. I have big doubts he even gets into the 1st round, but GMs love upside and measurable a so it's possible. But of we really want him, we can use our later picks and a future pick to grab him. We need to roll 16 and a player (AB, Sully, KO, Zeller, Young) into a top 10 pick and take the BPA. Then if that player isn't WCS, I'd consider moving around my later picks for Upshaw.

People underestimate how glaring his red flags are because of the lack of public info surrounding them. Two programs, two seasons and he only played in like 20 games? NBA teams have that info, they'll get to meet with him, and unless he seems like a truly changed man I doubt they take him earlier than 20. Whatever it is, it can't be good.
I'd draft those two in hopes of getting 1 high level starter.

I'm not so worried about turners jumper i think it's a good looking shot

I think people are seriously underratong upshaws issues. Good call there. However, it's possible you could get a starting center out of him too.

I'd be very surprised if they are both starters in this league in 5 years
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