3 way idea with NY and Denver

[wiley]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mmwv2yx

Denver gets IT, KO and Larkin (keep pick 7)

Knicks get Ty Lawson, picks 16, 28 and 57.

Celtics get Calderon, Early and pick 4, 2016 Denver 2cnd round pick



Carmelo plus Ty Lawson makes NY more attractive to free agents this summer....

Then the Celtics can either take Mudiay, who I think has become underrated, or Winslow.  Or they can take Mudiay for the Kings and take back the 6th pick and something...(lineups feature Mudiay or Winslow as Winslow would be my non-Mudiay choice in that part of the lottery)

Mudiay, Calderon, Smart
Smart, AB, Young
Turner, Crowder, Early
Sully, Mickey
(Monroe?), Zeller, Holmes/Christmas/Jaiteh

OR:

Smart, Calderon
Winslow, AB, Young
Turner, Crowder, Early
Sully, Mickey
(Monroe?),  Zeller, Chritmas/ Holmes/Jaiteh

plus whatever Sac. gave us for swapping the 4th and 6th picks....


Interesting question: who would New York Knicks want at 16 to make the deal more enticing?  Payne to backup Lawson?  Portis?  Lyles?

[celts55]

So Calderon and Early aren't in your rotation?
So tham you esentually trades IT, KO, 16 and 45 for the 4th pick?
I don't think I love it.
Keep IT out of the deal and I'd do it.

[wiley]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mmwv2yx

Denver gets IT, KO and Larkin (keep pick 7)

Knicks get Ty Lawson, picks 16, 28 and 57.

Celtics get Calderon, Early and pick 4, 2016 Denver 2cnd round pick



Carmelo plus Ty Lawson makes NY more attractive to free agents this summer....

Then the Celtics can either take Mudiay, who I think has become underrated, or Winslow.  Or they can take Mudiay for the Kings and take back the 6th pick and something...(lineups feature Mudiay or Winslow as Winslow would be my non-Mudiay choice in that part of the lottery)

Mudiay, Calderon, Smart
Smart, AB, Young
Turner, Crowder, Early
Sully, Mickey
(Monroe?), Zeller, Holmes/Christmas/Jaiteh

OR:

Smart, Calderon
Winslow, AB, Young
Turner, Crowder, Early
Sully, Mickey
(Monroe?),  Zeller, Chritmas/ Holmes/Jaiteh

plus whatever Sac. gave us for swapping the 4th and 6th picks....


Interesting question: who would New York Knicks want at 16 to make the deal more enticing?  Payne to backup Lawson?  Portis?  Lyles?

Spruced it up a bit before bumping..

[Celts Fan 508]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mmwv2yx

Denver gets IT, KO and Larkin (keep pick 7)

Knicks get Ty Lawson, picks 16, 28 and 57.

Celtics get Calderon, Early and pick 4, 2016 Denver 2cnd round pick



Carmelo plus Ty Lawson makes NY more attractive to free agents this summer....

Then the Celtics can either take Mudiay, who I think has become underrated, or Winslow.  Or they can take Mudiay for the Kings and take back the 6th pick and something...(lineups feature Mudiay or Winslow as Winslow would be my non-Mudiay choice in that part of the lottery)

Mudiay, Calderon, Smart
Smart, AB, Young
Turner, Crowder, Early
Sully, Mickey
(Monroe?), Zeller, Holmes/Christmas/Jaiteh

OR:

Smart, Calderon
Winslow, AB, Young
Turner, Crowder, Early
Sully, Mickey
(Monroe?),  Zeller, Chritmas/ Holmes/Jaiteh

plus whatever Sac. gave us for swapping the 4th and 6th picks....


Interesting question: who would New York Knicks want at 16 to make the deal more enticing?  Payne to backup Lawson?  Portis?  Lyles?

Spruced it up a bit before bumping..

I dont understand where Bradley went in this scenario...

[jpotter33]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mmwv2yx

Denver gets IT, KO and Larkin (keep pick 7)

Knicks get Ty Lawson, picks 16, 28 and 57.

Celtics get Calderon, Early and pick 4, 2016 Denver 2cnd round pick



Carmelo plus Ty Lawson makes NY more attractive to free agents this summer....

Then the Celtics can either take Mudiay, who I think has become underrated, or Winslow.  Or they can take Mudiay for the Kings and take back the 6th pick and something...(lineups feature Mudiay or Winslow as Winslow would be my non-Mudiay choice in that part of the lottery)

Mudiay, Calderon, Smart
Smart, AB, Young
Turner, Crowder, Early
Sully, Mickey
(Monroe?), Zeller, Holmes/Christmas/Jaiteh

OR:

Smart, Calderon
Winslow, AB, Young
Turner, Crowder, Early
Sully, Mickey
(Monroe?),  Zeller, Chritmas/ Holmes/Jaiteh

plus whatever Sac. gave us for swapping the 4th and 6th picks....


Interesting question: who would New York Knicks want at 16 to make the deal more enticing?  Payne to backup Lawson?  Portis?  Lyles?

Spruced it up a bit before bumping..

I dont understand where Bradley went in this scenario...

Could be to Utah for number 12. I'd be okay with that in this scenario, especially if it got us one of Oubre, Johnson, Turner, or Booker.

I like Mudiay, but I think I'd rather go for Winslow at 4. That way if we traded Bradley for 12 we could try and pick up Booker, giving us Smart, Booker, Winslow, Sully, Monroe?

[Beat LA]

Hmm, well, Phil has always been on oddball, and Colorado did legalize weed, but the whole thing sounds like a massive sausage fest, ahaha . Pass .

[wiley]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mmwv2yx

Denver gets IT, KO and Larkin (keep pick 7)

Knicks get Ty Lawson, picks 16, 28 and 57.

Celtics get Calderon, Early and pick 4, 2016 Denver 2cnd round pick



Carmelo plus Ty Lawson makes NY more attractive to free agents this summer....

Then the Celtics can either take Mudiay, who I think has become underrated, or Winslow.  Or they can take Mudiay for the Kings and take back the 6th pick and something...(lineups feature Mudiay or Winslow as Winslow would be my non-Mudiay choice in that part of the lottery)

Mudiay, Calderon, Smart
Smart, AB, Young
Turner, Crowder, Early
Sully, Mickey
(Monroe?), Zeller, Holmes/Christmas/Jaiteh

OR:

Smart, Calderon
Winslow, AB, Young
Turner, Crowder, Early
Sully, Mickey
(Monroe?),  Zeller, Chritmas/ Holmes/Jaiteh

plus whatever Sac. gave us for swapping the 4th and 6th picks....


Interesting question: who would New York Knicks want at 16 to make the deal more enticing?  Payne to backup Lawson?  Portis?  Lyles?

Spruced it up a bit before bumping..

I dont understand where Bradley went in this scenario...

He's there backing up either Smart or Winslow.  Listed as AB. 

[Geo123]

So Calderon and Early aren't in your rotation?
So tham you esentually trades IT, KO, 16 and 45 for the 4th pick?
I don't think I love it.
Keep IT out of the deal and I'd do it.

Yes, and there's no way the Knicks would do it. 

[konkmv]

Giving up too much

[wiley]

So Calderon and Early aren't in your rotation?
So tham you esentually trades IT, KO, 16 and 45 for the 4th pick?
I don't think I love it.
Keep IT out of the deal and I'd do it.

Yes, and there's no way the Knicks would do it.

It was revised to give the Knicks more (probably still not enough) if you see above, and could easily be revised more to entice the Knicks.

Like give them 16, 28, 45, 57 and our own 2016 first, to go along with Lawson.  They don't have to know of our plan to sign Monroe and win 50 games...

Overall I agree with you in that they can probably trade number 4 for a higher impact vet
than Ty Lawson...but this deal does help them contractually and not just with a bunch
of picks.

If we gave Denver a bunch more, then NY could have the 7th pick and Denver take the 16th.  Wouldn't mind seeing some ideas alone those lines.  I don't think these three teams are the worst partners if New York want to trade #4 for vet help plus a pick or two.

[vjcsmoke]

I don't like the idea of trading IT right now.  Especially if Danny sees him as part of our future, to the point he is asking him for feedback on free agents and presumably help to recruit some of those free agents.

I did hear about a potential trade with the Knicks however:

http://www.sportsworldreport.com/articles/51544/20150526/new-york-knicks-rumors-draft-trade-option-with-boston-celtics-for-willie-cauley-stein-emmanuel-mudiay-justise-winslow-targets.htm

I'm not entirely sure Knicks will want to trade down if Winslow or Russell is still there.
I'm also not sure if the Knicks are actually even willing to move out of the #4 spot, but do they need a LOT of help.  One guy won't plug all the holes that they have.

[Bucketgetter]

So Calderon and Early aren't in your rotation?
So tham you esentually trades IT, KO, 16 and 45 for the 4th pick?
I don't think I love it.
Keep IT out of the deal and I'd do it.

You can't keep IT out of it. He is the key piece we give up and Lawson's replacement in Denver.

[celticsfan8591]

Are we sure the Knicks want Lawson?  He seems like a poor fit for the triangle.  That said, if they do this seems like a reasonable return for the 4th pick.  I don't think Denver does it though.  Lawson's clearly available, but if they're going to trade him why would they do so for another point guard who's a clear downgrade and only a year younger?  I don't think two middling prospects in KO and Larkin are enough to offset the difference in value between them.  Throwing another (non-Brooklyn) future pick or two their way might be enough to convince them.

[Geo123]

So Calderon and Early aren't in your rotation?
So tham you esentually trades IT, KO, 16 and 45 for the 4th pick?
I don't think I love it.
Keep IT out of the deal and I'd do it.

Yes, and there's no way the Knicks would do it.

It was revised to give the Knicks more (probably still not enough) if you see above, and could easily be revised more to entice the Knicks.

Like give them 16, 28, 45, 57 and our own 2016 first, to go along with Lawson.  They don't have to know of our plan to sign Monroe and win 50 games...

Overall I agree with you in that they can probably trade number 4 for a higher impact vet
than Ty Lawson...but this deal does help them contractually and not just with a bunch
of picks.

If we gave Denver a bunch more, then NY could have the 7th pick and Denver take the 16th.  Wouldn't mind seeing some ideas alone those lines.  I don't think these three teams are the worst partners if New York want to trade #4 for vet help plus a pick or two.

The only way the Knicks even consider trading the #4 pick is if they get a star or someone very close.  They want to win now and getting low first round picks and supposed salary relief doesn't help or entice them at all.  Plus they have a better chance by all accounts of signing Monroe than we do..

[spikelovetheCelts]

So Calderon and Early aren't in your rotation?
So tham you esentually trades IT, KO, 16 and 45 for the 4th pick?
I don't think I love it.
Keep IT out of the deal and I'd do it.

Yes, and there's no way the Knicks would do it.

It was revised to give the Knicks more (probably still not enough) if you see above, and could easily be revised more to entice the Knicks.

Like give them 16, 28, 45, 57 and our own 2016 first, to go along with Lawson.  They don't have to know of our plan to sign Monroe and win 50 games...

Overall I agree with you in that they can probably trade number 4 for a higher impact vet
than Ty Lawson...but this deal does help them contractually and not just with a bunch
of picks.

If we gave Denver a bunch more, then NY could have the 7th pick and Denver take the 16th.  Wouldn't mind seeing some ideas alone those lines.  I don't think these three teams are the worst partners if New York want to trade #4 for vet help plus a pick or two.

Monroe will not be a Celtic. He is not a 5. I think an inshape Sully will do better than him.