Sullinger, Bradley and 16 for Kincks 4th pick

[Rida]

Wanted to get your take on this.

The knicks are stuck with this 4th pick, they wanted to be placed for a big man, would they reach for Cauley Stein at 4?

I know the Celtics would, but would the Knicks?

If we offered them Bradley, Sulley and our 16th pick, surely they would have to think long and hard about that trade, they need help at every position except SF.

A trade like this could really restart their rebuilding effort.

If Cauley Stein slips to Sacremento he will be gone, taking us out of the Boogie Cousins race and meaning that we lose out on WCS.

Thoughts?

[kiwiceltic]

I'm not sure its enough for the Knicks.

I also don't think the C's have a need to trade up that high. If DA is gonna pick the BPA, that leaves   Russell or Mudiay (WCS is not the 4th best player in this draft class). A guard rotation of either of those two, Smart and IT is basically treading water if the Cs can't get better at SF and C. Add to that trying to replace arguably our best PF in Sully.

A starting 5 of Mudiay/Russell, Smart, ET, KO and Zeller doesn't exactly set the world on fire.

[Rida]

I'm not sure its enough for the Knicks.

I also don't think the C's have a need to trade up that high. If DA is gonna pick the BPA, that leaves   Russell or Mudiay (WCS is not the 4th best player in this draft class). A guard rotation of either of those two, Smart and IT is basically treading water if the Cs can't get better at SF and C. Add to that trying to replace arguably our best PF in Sully.

A starting 5 of Mudiay/Russell, Smart, ET, KO and Zeller doesn't exactly set the world on fire.

I think that's the spot we would need to move up to to get WCS. I totally agree with you, he's not the 4th best player in the draft. But hes the best fit for the Celtics needs and won't slip past Sacramento.

Im envisaging a starting lineup of

Smart, Thomas, Turner/Crowder, Free Agent PF, WCS thats a solid team.

If we trade Sulley and Bradley it also frees up close to 10m in free agent spend. That shouldn't be overlooked

[LGC88]

Sully can be better than WCS if he get in shape.
I'm not that high on WCS. He doesn't look like a strong mentality type of guy. And he has to prove he can be good in the offense event.
So, no for me.

[LarBrd33]

Knicks say no

[Rida]

Sully can be better than WCS if he get in shape.
I'm not that high on WCS. He doesn't look like a strong mentality type of guy. And he has to prove he can be good in the offense event.
So, no for me.

Sulley will never have the foot speed or length to be the shot blocker that WCS is.

[Rida]

Knicks say no

I don't see why they would say no. Their choices are Winslow if he's not gone to Philly, Russell or Mundiay.

Bradley and Sulley are two NBA quality ready made starters earning under 10 million combined and the 16th pick is pretty valuable, you could essentially get 3 starters for a pick that figures to be a talented 3 year project.

[BleedGreen1989]

Knicks say no

Knicks don't say no.

They likely start laughing before they can form an actual word.

[Irish Stew]

Wanted to get your take on this.

The knicks are stuck with this 4th pick, they wanted to be placed for a big man, would they reach for Cauley Stein at 4?

I know the Celtics would, but would the Knicks?

If we offered them Bradley, Sulley and our 16th pick, surely they would have to think long and hard about that trade, they need help at every position except SF.

A trade like this could really restart their rebuilding effort.

If Cauley Stein slips to Sacremento he will be gone, taking us out of the Boogie Cousins race and meaning that we lose out on WCS.

Thoughts?

  This is one of those quantity for quality trade offers that Phil Jackson would never accept.

[Celts Fan 508]

Knicks say no

Knicks don't say no.

They likely start laughing before they can form an actual word.

Then they block the Celtics number from ever calling them again, awful trade for the Knicks

[TA9]

I'd rather take a huge risk and draft Upshaw at #16 than trading that much talent to the Knicks just to draft WCS at #4..
Willy is a good defensive player, but I think that Sully has the potential to be a better player overall if he just puts his head into it and loses weight.
This idea gets a huge NO from me

[Rida]

I'd rather take a huge risk and draft Upshaw at #16 than trading that much talent to the Knicks just to draft WCS at #4..
Willy is a good defensive player, but I think that Sully has the potential to be a better player overall if he just puts his head into it and loses weight.
This idea gets a huge NO from me

I don't get this notion that Sulley can suddenly become this athletic specimen who can become a better player than WCS especially on the defensive end.

I'm not debating that Sulley can improve, but only at the offensive end, hes never going to be an elite rim protector.

He can't gain longer arms, 10 inches on his vertical and gain footspeed.

We need a rim protector and should be doing everything we can to find one.

[footey]

Jackson loves Russell, and will figure out how to get him with the 4th pick.

[LGC88]

I'd rather take a huge risk and draft Upshaw at #16 than trading that much talent to the Knicks just to draft WCS at #4..
Willy is a good defensive player, but I think that Sully has the potential to be a better player overall if he just puts his head into it and loses weight.
This idea gets a huge NO from me

I don't get this notion that Sulley can suddenly become this athletic specimen who can become a better player than WCS especially on the defensive end.

I'm not debating that Sulley can improve, but only at the offensive end, hes never going to be an elite protecter.

He can't gain longer arms, 10 inches on his vertical and gain footspeed.

We need a rim protector and should be doing everything we can to find one.

We know what we have in Sully, and we know what to expect from him (good and bad).
As for WCS, we know he can defend in college, that's all.
So, throwing AB to the mix + #16 is way too much. Not to mention, I don't see why NY would like this idea. Bad trade for both.
I'd rather take my chance on Upshaw and keep our 2 young players.

[Rosco917]

Interesting...The Knicks have a major scorer in Mello at SF/PF that is aging, they don't have time on there side to make an impact. They need to get better, and fast. They most likely will sign a another major FA this summer too.
They need more decent talent to surround their major players for sure. Can Danny convince Jackson that adding Sully and AB to their cast of players, plus the 16th. pick, will do the trick. 

You may have to sweeten the deal, (which I wouldn't do) but there is a possibility.