Doc should trade Blake Griffin..

[Who]

In what universe do you trade Blake but resign DeAndre for four years?

Can we call this the Billy King zone?

Where you believe:

(1) Winslow is a Kawhi Leonard level prospect
(2) Oladipo a future top 5 SG and multiple time All-Star

And of lesser importance,

(3) Gordon and Harkless are at worst solid future role players and Gordon possibly an above average starter if he can develop some type of jump-shot.
(4) Frye would be a super fit as a stretch 4 alongside D.Jordan and CP3

Two All-Stars + two up and coming glue guys, one with some potential + ideal role player for an All-NBA level big man. That looks more than a fair return to me.

[D Dub]

In what universe do you trade Blake but resign DeAndre for four years?

Can we call this the Billy King zone?

More like Mitch Kupcheck zone.  Where you let marquee free agents walk for nothing.

DeAndre Jordan may be a marquee free agent for the class of 2015, but there's no reason you trade your 1A/1B player so that you can sign your third best player to a max contract.

Unless you're trying to make the Clippers worse. Because that will definitely make the Clippers worse.

I agree from a talent standpoint, but the Clippers are in a tough spot.  If they keep both, they can ONLY add vet min contracts to their roster.  Maybe that's okay, if you believe this group under-achieved.  But after three years together, it's more likely that this is the most this group is capable of. 

The only option they have, if they want to add a starter to this roster, is via trade. 
Blake is their only trade chip, and if you believe this team has peaked -- he's their only way off the treadmill. 

To me, trading an All Star is a much better path forward than letting an All Star walk for nothing.  Look no further than the state of our own C's vs. Lakers rivalry for proof positive. 

[wdleehi]

In what universe do you trade Blake but resign DeAndre for four years?

Can we call this the Billy King zone?

Where you believe:

(1) Winslow is a Kawhi Leonard level prospect
(2) Oladipo a future top 5 SG and multiple time All-Star

And of lesser importance,

(3) Gordon and Harkless are at worst solid future role players and Gordon possibly an above average starter if he can develop some type of jump-shot.
(4) Frye would be a super fit as a stretch 4 alongside D.Jordan and CP3

Two All-Stars + two up and coming glue guys, one with some potential + ideal role player for an All-NBA level big man. That looks more than a fair return to me.

Then they better trade Paul as well because by the time all that may happen, Paul will be long in the tooth. 



Paul and Blake are set up to win now.  They need more depth, not an explosion.  Smaller trades and smart FA signing (low money)


Of course their GM has shown little ability in those two areas. 

[GC003332]

Aren't the Clippers trying to win a championship in the Chris Paul Era so to speak, so why would they trade Griffin for guys that he has to wait 2 to 3 years to develop, unless you want him to ask out too.
Doesn't make any sense in the near term unless you figure he is going to play at his current level for another 5-6 years.

Beaten to the punch

[Endless Paradise]

Aren't the Clippers trying to win a championship in the Chris Paul Era so to speak, so why would they trade Griffin for guys that he has to wait 2 to 3 years to develop, unless you want him to ask out too.
Doesn't make any sense in the near term unless you figure he is going to play at his current level for another 5-6 years.

Beaten to the punch

This.

The problem with the Clippers absolutely is not their big 3; it's the role players around them.

[PhoSita]

No.  Noooooope.

Trading Griffin is not what the Clips need to do.

Paul and Griffin gets you to the playoffs every single year.  Figure out the supporting cast.

[Evantime34]

In what universe do you trade Blake but resign DeAndre for four years?

Can we call this the Billy King zone?

Where you believe:

(1) Winslow is a Kawhi Leonard level prospect
(2) Oladipo a future top 5 SG and multiple time All-Star

And of lesser importance,

(3) Gordon and Harkless are at worst solid future role players and Gordon possibly an above average starter if he can develop some type of jump-shot.
(4) Frye would be a super fit as a stretch 4 alongside D.Jordan and CP3

Two All-Stars + two up and coming glue guys, one with some potential + ideal role player for an All-NBA level big man. That looks more than a fair return to me.

Then they better trade Paul as well because by the time all that may happen, Paul will be long in the tooth. 



Paul and Blake are set up to win now.  They need more depth, not an explosion.  Smaller trades and smart FA signing (low money)


Of course their GM has shown little ability in those two areas.

If the rumors of CP3 and DeAndre having a falling out are true, it might make a lot of sense to trade CP3, rather than let DeAndre walk for nothing.

[wiley]

No.  Noooooope.

Trading Griffin is not what the Clips need to do.

Paul and Griffin gets you to the playoffs every single year.  Figure out the supporting cast.

Let Jordan walk and turn his salary into Asik and a SF?  I don't know. 
I don't see any way past GS or a healthy OK. City. 
I can't see any way to tinker with this team that puts them over the top.

Someone said wait another year and then add another max player.  Is that really possible?  Will teams be allowed 4 max players under the new cap?

[slamtheking]

what's the point of the deal?  to make the Clips much worse or to make Orlando that much better?

[86MaxwellSmart]

There's gotta be a way for Doc to trade Jordan to us, with all the Picks and Prospects we have---he could rebuild the Clippers bench.

Sullinger, Wallace, Bradley + a couple of Picks for Jordan in a S&T

[Moranis]

In what universe do you trade Blake but resign DeAndre for four years?

Can we call this the Billy King zone?

Where you believe:

(1) Winslow is a Kawhi Leonard level prospect
(2) Oladipo a future top 5 SG and multiple time All-Star

And of lesser importance,

(3) Gordon and Harkless are at worst solid future role players and Gordon possibly an above average starter if he can develop some type of jump-shot.
(4) Frye would be a super fit as a stretch 4 alongside D.Jordan and CP3

Two All-Stars + two up and coming glue guys, one with some potential + ideal role player for an All-NBA level big man. That looks more than a fair return to me.

Then they better trade Paul as well because by the time all that may happen, Paul will be long in the tooth. 



Paul and Blake are set up to win now.  They need more depth, not an explosion.  Smaller trades and smart FA signing (low money)


Of course their GM has shown little ability in those two areas.

If the rumors of CP3 and DeAndre having a falling out are true, it might make a lot of sense to trade CP3, rather than let DeAndre walk for nothing.

I think it makes more sense to sign and trade DeAndre than to trade Paul.  Now granted Jordan might very well want to a go to a team with cap space, but he might not.  It would open up a lot of possible destinations for him and LA (not saying this would happen, but say Jordan wants to go to Cleveland, the Cavs could sign and trade Mozgov back to LA and could send JR Smith as well giving LA Jordan-lite and much better depth on the wing).

[#1P4P]

A look at these playoffs should cement the idea that Blake is a Superstar. His 4th quarter woes during these playoffs aren't enough to erase that he's a Top 10 player in the league. Does he need to improve certain aspects of his game? Of course he does... There's not one player in the league that doesn't need improvement in one aspect or another.

Doc is in a rough spot because his best players are the only valuable assets that he has to be able to address the team's weaknesses (which would create another void). He has to re-sign DeAndre (let him walk when he's your defensive anchor and an elite rebounder/shot blocker? haha... and replace him with who?) and continue his search for a starting SF and a competent bench as he has been when he traded Eric Bledsoe for Jared Dudley/JJ Redick and signed Spencer Hawes in separate off seasons. Both transactions backfired on him, especially given that he gave up on Dudley too soon. To quote Simmons "GM Doc is sabotaging Coach Doc".

He's going to have to hope Austin improves by leaps and bounds enough to be a consistent impact player and trade asset and/or that he hits a home run with a 2nd round pick or his late 1st round picks in the upcoming years.

[Lucky17]

Trade Hawes and Barnes. Both seem overpriced for their production/roles with the team.

That's close to $10 mil that could be used to bring back three or more role players.

[wiley]

what's the point of the deal?  to make the Clips much worse or to make Orlando that much better?

The trade isn't that dramatic.  Both teams would still have work to do.  The Clippers would need to add vets to the bench and Orlando would have to resign Harris and add depth...

I think Blake Griffin is a great player.  I don't think he's a savior...

Golden State has 1 mega star and a bunch of depth.  The Clippers should move in that direction by turning Griffin or Jordan into depth.  It's easier with Griffin but if Jordan can bring some value and then allow them to sign Asik or another defensive minded center then that would be less risky than losing Griffin.  And if it's true that Jordan and Paul are squabbling then absolutely makes more sense than trading Griffin.  Not sure what Chris Paul would bring the Clippers and where he'd be sent.  Interesting question...

[jpotter33]

I read today an idea of trading Durant for Griffin if Durant would agree to resign in LAC. It actually makes some sense:

1) Griffin is from the OKC area,
2) He's locked up for three more years, where it seems probably that KD will ditch OKC this summer,
3) LAC has needed a wing upgrade BADLY for years, and KD is about as good as you can get there

It's not a perfect star-for-star trade, but it does make some sense for both teams.