Question - what team did you have in mind, because while I like Young and would like to see him develop, are we talking about a similar scenario to Bradley and the 16th pick for Utah's spot at 12? Was there even anything to that rumor, btw, or did someone just make that up?
Yeah. Zach Lowe wrote an article a month or two ago about how well Utah was playing after the ASG break, and in that article he talked about the feeling in Utah being that they have a good core ready to start competing now and they'll be looking to make a move for a fairly young, proven productive player with a decent contract who fits into their timetable. AB was the first name on his list of the kind of guys they're looking for. Apparently Ainge turned down a late 1st (Via GSW?) and expirings from a handful of teams at the deadline and they were one of them. He suggested that they could be willing to trade their pick this year (#12 right now) for him, and include Hood of Danny still says no. I'd think Ainge might go for that. Hood gives you a good SG/SF with a pretty good jumper. And getting #12 without giving up 16 would be huge. Could probably get to #7 just by rolling together all 3 1sts.
But yeah, I'm not sure about that kinda deal with Young. Some good basketball minds think he has the highest upside of anyone we have not named Marcus, but he had a chance to get some minutes and didn't do enough to warrant continued PT. He's still just 19, and he played really well in the D league. He hasn't de-valued much, but he's still a project. One that will take a while to fully develop. And I really don't know about Miami, Charlotte or Detroit taking just him, 16 and 28 to move oh into their range. They all plan on competing next year. Denver looks like they're launching up a rebuild, so they could be takers. #7 is more valuable than 10. I think they'd at least want a little more.
Thanks for the info, TP 
. Another dumb move by Ainge, though, imo. I remember seeing and commenting on a thread or two, iirc, about the possibility of getting a 1st, and expirings for Bradley, and I still don't understand why he didn't do it, especially because there's a lot of talent in this draft and someone could always slip. Ugh. I don't think that Utah would have given up their pick this year for Bradley, though, because that seems like highway robbery, lol 
, and if they were to include Hood in such a deal, their gm should get his head examined, haha. I did like Hood last year, and was concerned that not taking him might come back to haunt us in some form, in addition to KJ McDaniels, and he had a number of great games at the end of the season. I don't know why Danny didn't trade Jeff Green on draft night for a 1st, or maybe a 1st and a 2nd, but we are where we are. Sigh.
First I will address your AB comment.
3 points:
1. Look at the last few games of KO's rookie year where he got starter minutes. last 3 games = 26 and 9 in 35 mpg, last 8 games = 17 and 7 on 26 mpg. Then keep in mind you currently refer to him as a huge mistake and call him Nolynyk
2. You only want a late first for AB because you are delusional about the NBA draft.A late first for you is a normal human beings top 10 pick.
3. The article was published prior to Hoods late season push, so he probably wouldnt be included now.
Second:
The Ainge bashing is driving me nuts
Since 2004 (Ainges first season):
5 teams have won the East
Celtics
Heat
Pistons
Magic
Cavs
3 Have won it multiple times
Celtics
Heat
Pistons
6 have been to multiple finals
Spurs
Lakers
Mavs
Heat
Pistons
Celtics
6 have won championships
Pistons
Celtics
Heat
Mavs
Spurs
Lakers
I would argue that Kobe(LA), Lebron(Miami), Shaq(LA & Miami), Duncan(SAS) are the four best players since Jordan. Ainge never had a shot an any of them.
So Without question we are a top 6 most succesgul team in Ainge's tenure. We do not have the LA or Miami advantage and we were not blessed with Tim Duncan in the lotto.
Jefferson 15
Rondo 19
Sully 19
TA and Perk at 27
Big Baby in round 2
Turned Big Al and a pile of junk into KG
Swapped Jeff Green for Ray Allen
Managed to acquire 2 superstars without giving up 3 of his 5 best assets(Rondo, pick 5, Big Al, TA, Perk)
But no, you are right Ainge sucks.
Just stop pretending Ainge is a terrible GM because he isnt perfect. Hes better than almost the entire rest of the league.
Look, at the end of his rookie year, you're absolutely right - Nolynyk looked really good, and even I was hopeful that his late season performances were a glimpse of what was to come and I think everyone hoped that he would carry that over into this year, but it never happened, and I think for much of the year you could make the argument that our billy goat had even regressed, which is pretty alarming.
To your point about my being delusional about the draft
, all I can say is that no two drafts are the same, but this year's and last year's are/were deep, which means that it's very likely that we could get a very good player from said pick. The other thing about Bradley is that it made absolutely no sense to resign him once we drafted Smart, and I can promise you that I'm certainly not the only person who feels this way. I like Avery, but he belongs on a contender, probably as a missing piece and.or defensive stopper kind of role like he had in 2011-12, because that's when he thrives. He only got marginally, if that, better at dribbling this year and he's certainly not a passer, so my thinking is why not cash in when his value is close to its highest and get somebody or something for him? I am aware of the timing of the article, btw, which would have made such a deal even more of a ripoff for us. Ugh.
Concerning the Ainge bashing, well, if it's driving you nuts, take solace in the fact that I find it ridiculous at how much he's praised on here, and no one seems willing to point out his failures and shortcomings, so we're even, haha
. I thought he'd turned a corner as a gm after getting KG, I really did, but then he reverted to form and blew a number of opportunities to help us get another title (at least).
Speaking of Garnett, btw, how is he not on your list of the best players since Jordan? I'm not disagreeing with whom you've mentioned, but how can you possibly leave KG off of that list? That's just plain ridiculous, imo, and in what universe was TA a 'top 5 asset?' Before he stupidly decided to dunk after the whistle against the Pacers, yes, I agree, but after the knee injury, and during the trades for KG and Ray, absolutely not. Iirc, Danny tried to include him in one of those transactions, and neither team wanted him, and for good reason, imo.
The best pick in his tenure, imo, was Rondo. I'll give him credit for that, because that was an amazing selection. The only problem was that he then tried to trade Rondo almost every day from that time until this past year, which never made any sense to me. Don't you remember when he tried to trade him and Ray to Detroit for Stuckey and Hamilton?
. Wow.
I'm also curious as to how you can say that he's a great gm when you describe the trade in terms of what we gave up as 'Big Al and a pile of junk'. Would that not mean, then, that McHale essentially gift wrapped Garnett for us and handed us a title in the process? Personally, I don't believe that, but I will say that a lot of unexpected and lucky events, such as injuries to Pierce and Ray during 2006-07, certainly helped his case. That trade was, as Bob Ryan once said, "a once-in-a-lifetime event that will likely never be duplicated, and anyone who thinks that it can happen again is living in denial," or something to that effect as far as the last part of that comment is concerned. I guess that Red was right about Danny, then, when he said that he's lucky, and sometimes it's better to be lucky than good, which might have happened in this case. The only problem is that after the luck and magic or whatever wears off, what do you do then, and that's my concern. Why do you think he acquired so many picks in the first place? Sure, his preferred method would be to just throw them all at some sucker gm for a great player, but if that doesn't work, at least he'll have more than one chance to get at least a good player, so that his misses don't seem so bad. Hey, 1 out of 3 isn't bad, right (sarcasm)
? Ugh.
I'm sorry if I've upset you, though, I really am, and for that I sincerely apologize.
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