Author Topic: can you list 3 good shot blockers/rebounders that could shoot the three?  (Read 9773 times)

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Online Moranis

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There are only 3 members of the 20000/10000/5000/1000/1000 club.  They are Kareem, K. Malone, and KG.  Lebron will probably join that club when he retires (though it certainly isn't a given as he has a fair ways to go in rebounds and blocks).  I don't think anyone else gets there any time soon, though Duncan has an outside shot if he becomes a passer and plays a few more seasons (neither of which is all that likely). 
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Only one person has mentioned LeBron?

Lebron for his career (as a 6'8" 260 lbs small forward with among the greatest physical gifts of any player in the league) has averaged 6.5 rebounds and 0.7 blocks per 36 minutes.  This is despite the fact that he's spent number of minutes at the PF spot throughout his career.  He's only averaged over 6.5 Rebounds-Per-36 four times, and only averaged over 0.7 Blocks-Per-36 five times...out of his 12 year career. 

In fact for his career Paul Pierce's rebound (5.9) and block (0.6) numbers on a per-36 minute basis aren't far off that, and he has certainly never been perceived as a great shot-blocker or rebounder (albeit a very good one, relative to his position).

Even Dwyane Wade hasn't been too far off Lebron's numbers (4.9 rebounds and 0.9 blocks) when you consider that he's a 6'4" shooting guard, who has spent a significant number of minutes at the PG spot, and has been injured for much of the past 3 or 4 seasons. 

Lebron is an outstanding player - one of the best ever - but he is dramatically over rated in a number of areas - two of which are defense and rebounding.  Playmaking and ball handling are two others.  Lebron is very good in the latter areas, but is nowhere near elite PG level (as many would have you to believe). 

Lebron is basically elite in two areas (physical ability and outright scoring) and outside of these two areas it's his versatility (i.e. being above-average-to-good at lots of everything) and relative lack of flaws that make him such a special player.

The much preached story (that Lebron is among NBA elite at rebounding, passing, ball handling, shooting, defense, etc) is a false reality that the league would like you to believe about their current league messiah.

Couple things I want to mention here: Relying solely on Per-36 numbers is a bit of a harbinger. When people say LeBron is an elite rebounder, it's in relation to his position. Which isn't really that arguable. He has spent the vast, vast majority of his career playing the 3. He started playing the 4 more in Miami, but overall, he's a 3. He's an excellent rebounder for the 3. He always has been. Pierce was too in his prime. For a 3 to average 7 boards a game for his career while spending so much time on the perimeter is pretty impressive.

I'm not sure how anyone can say LeBron's playmaking isn't elite considering how much better players surrounding him automatically become playing next to him.


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Rasheed immediately comes to mind.  In his prime he's probably the best I've ever seen in terms of being an elite shooter, elite down-low defender, and elite down-low scorer (wasn't really an elite shooter, but he was elite for a center).

Marion and Ibaka are also obvious in my opinion
Philly:

Anderson Varejao    Tiago Splitter    Matt Bonner
David West    Kenyon Martin    Brad Miller
Andre Iguodala    Josh Childress    Marquis Daniels
Dwyane Wade    Leandro Barbosa
Kirk Hinrich    Toney Douglas   + the legendary Kevin McHale

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That last line is not even close to the truth

Check out Hakeem's 2 championship runs
The first in 94 he arguably had the least amount of help to win a championship of a superstar ever.
That 95 run is one for the ages , had to win 4 straight series on the road and beat 3 power house western teams just to get to Orlando.
His impact on both sides of the ball was just amazing.
Don't even get started on MJ....

If you are going mention Hakeem at least research the numbers and put the here on display to show how they compare to what Lebron has been doing. Same with MJ. And if anything MJ played on one of the most stacked teams while he was winning. I dont need to remind you that his team without him in 94 went on to win 50+ games and make the East semis. Miami on the other hand just freaking missed PO without Lebron

ALso on a night to night basis for their Title run, MJs main responsibility was to defend and score. Thats it. Even on defense, the biggest perimeter responsibilities went to Pippen and so did majority of the  playmaking responsibility. The rebouding responsibility went to Horace Grant or Dennis Rodman. Ppl hold MJ as some sort of deity but truth be told he was easily one of the most fortunate superstars ever in terms of how things aligned for him at the perfect time.


Hakeem Olajuwon

1994 playoffs 23 games 43.0 mins fg percentage :519 pts 28.9 Rebs 11.0 asts 4.3 st 1.7 blks 4.0
1995 playoffs 22 games 42.2 mins fg percentage :531 pts 33.0 Rebs 10.3 asts 4.5 st 1.2 blks 2.8

Michael Jordan

1988 playoffs 10 games 42.7 mins fg percentage:531 pts 36.3 Rebs 7.1 asts 4.7 st 2.4 blks 1.1
1989 playoffs 17 games 42.2 mins fg percentage:510 pts 34.8 Rebs 7.0 asts 7.6 st 2.5 blks 0.8
1990 playoffs 16 games 42.1 mins fg percentage:514 pts 36.7 Rebs 7.2 asts 6.8 st 2.8 blks 0.9
1991 playoffs 17 games 40.5 mins fg percentage:524 pts 31.1 Rebs 6.4 asts 8.4 st 2.4 blks 1.4
1992 playoffs 22 games 41,8 mins fg percentage:499 pts 34.5 Rebs 6.2 asts 5.8 st 2.0 blks 0.7
1993 playoffs 19 games 41.2 mins fg percentage:475 pts 35.1 Rebs 6.7 asts 6.0 st 2.1 blks 0.6

Not just a one game to hang your hat on either. :P








Offline GC003332

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Depending how loosely you want to throw shot blocking around,
Bill Laimbeer , the last few years he took a lot more threes
Sam Perkins
Cliff Robinson early years as blazer when he played the 3 & 4
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Again there is not a single all time great that has been able to CONSISTENLY impact every facet of the game at ELITE levels like Lebron can. It really isnt close



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Spencer Hawes in his Philly days??

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Matt Bonner. He hits 3s right?
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Matt Bonner. He hits 3s right?

Not a shot blocker

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That last line is not even close to the truth

Check out Hakeem's 2 championship runs
The first in 94 he arguably had the least amount of help to win a championship of a superstar ever.
That 95 run is one for the ages , had to win 4 straight series on the road and beat 3 power house western teams just to get to Orlando.
His impact on both sides of the ball was just amazing.
Don't even get started on MJ....

If you are going mention Hakeem at least research the numbers and put the here on display to show how they compare to what Lebron has been doing. Same with MJ. And if anything MJ played on one of the most stacked teams while he was winning. I dont need to remind you that his team without him in 94 went on to win 50+ games and make the East semis. Miami on the other hand just freaking missed PO without Lebron

ALso on a night to night basis for their Title run, MJs main responsibility was to defend and score. Thats it. Even on defense, the biggest perimeter responsibilities went to Pippen and so did majority of the  playmaking responsibility. The rebouding responsibility went to Horace Grant or Dennis Rodman. Ppl hold MJ as some sort of deity but truth be told he was easily one of the most fortunate superstars ever in terms of how things aligned for him at the perfect time.

 Jordan playing on a stacked team just shows his brilliance.  Jordan played for an average NBA salary for the great majority of his career allowing the team to recruit and assemble the perfect pieces needed to dominate.  And that is exactly what they did.  Jordan had sick numbers playing with Pippen, Rodman.  His numbers would have been even more impressive if he was greety and took all the money he could have as Lebron and many others have. He would have had to do that much more and would have accomplished that much less.  There is the brilliance of Mr. Jordan and one glaring reason LJ will never reach MJ's level of accomplishments. 

Kevin McHale in his later years and likely in his early years.
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