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Offline Maurice98

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What do you guys think about the ceiling and worst case scenarios for our young guys?
(Smart, Bradley, Young, Zeller, Olynyk, Sullinger, Crowder) (extra Turner, Thomas, Pressey)

e.g.
Smart
Best case scenario: Less athletic Dwyane Wade
Worst case scenario: Marcus Banks

Note that the one above is an example.

I just want to know different opinions about our guys.

P.S. I will give TPs to people who will give their opinion about this.

Re: What is the best and worst case scenario for our young guys?
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2015, 03:51:00 PM »

Offline celticsclay

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I will just do smart for now, but need some more time to think about the others. I think Sullinger would be the second most fun guy to do because, in my opinion, he still has upside if he can lose the weight. However, I will admit he is running out of time to do this.

Marcus Smart

Best Case Scenario - Kyle Lowry
Worst Case Scenario - Lindsey Hunter

Kyle lowry is probably about the same as Smart on Defense right now, perhaps even a slightly worse defender. However, he is miles ahead of smart offensively and can be a really ferocious finisher in the lane. People may be a little low on Lowry at the moment, but I will remind people he was playing hurt for a lot of the second half of the season and in the playoffs so looked worse than he normally is. When Lowry is healthy he is a reserve all-star calibar player.

I will be honest the Hunter one maybe be bad, and I am doing it on more reputation than based on film of Hunter. However, Hunter carved out a really long career for himself as a defensive minded back up. He picked as a double digit scorer for about 5 seasons. I think Smart is already better than banks.

Re: What is the best and worst case scenario for our young guys?
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2015, 03:59:29 PM »

Offline Maurice98

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I will just do smart for now, but need some more time to think about the others. I think Sullinger would be the second most fun guy to do because, in my opinion, he still has upside if he can lose the weight. However, I will admit he is running out of time to do this.

Marcus Smart

Best Case Scenario - Kyle Lowry
Worst Case Scenario - Lindsey Hunter

Kyle lowry is probably about the same as Smart on Defense right now, perhaps even a slightly worse defender. However, he is miles ahead of smart offensively and can be a really ferocious finisher in the lane. People may be a little low on Lowry at the moment, but I will remind people he was playing hurt for a lot of the second half of the season and in the playoffs so looked worse than he normally is. When Lowry is healthy he is a reserve all-star calibar player.

I will be honest the Hunter one maybe be bad, and I am doing it on more reputation than based on film of Hunter. However, Hunter carved out a really long career for himself as a defensive minded back up. He picked as a double digit scorer for about 5 seasons. I think Smart is already better than banks.

TP! Don't worry you got time. Anyway I really like your comparisons.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lowryky01.html Look at the first two years of Kyle Lowry

They have similar stats so it gives us hope in Smart who can develop into a better PG.

Re: What is the best and worst case scenario for our young guys?
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2015, 04:05:58 PM »

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Smart
Best - George Hill / Tony Allen Hybrid
Worst - Patrick Beverley

Olynyk
Best - Luis Scola w/ reliable three point shot
Worst - Spencer Hawes

Sullinger
Best - David Lee w/ credible three point shot
Worst - Glen Davis

Young
Best - JR Smith w/ out the crazy
Worst - Rodney Carney

Zeller
Best - Robin Lopez
Worst - Nenad Krstic

Crowder
Best - Matt Barnes
Worst - Ime Udoka

Bradley
Best - What he is now
Worst - Kirk Hinrich

IT
Best - What he is
Worst - Nate Robinson
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« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2015, 04:12:40 PM »

Offline Maurice98

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Smart
Best - George Hill / Tony Allen Hybrid
Worst - Patrick Beverley

Olynyk
Best - Luis Scola w/ reliable three point shot
Worst - Spencer Hawes

Sullinger
Best - David Lee w/ credible three point shot
Worst - Glen Davis

Young
Best - JR Smith w/ out the crazy
Worst - Rodney Carney

Zeller
Best - Robin Lopez
Worst - Nenad Krstic

Crowder
Best - Matt Barnes
Worst - Ime Udoka

Bradley
Best - What he is now
Worst - Kirk Hinrich

IT
Best - What he is
Worst - Nate Robinson

I really like your opinions as well and I think your opinions are very realistic. TP

Re: What is the best and worst case scenario for our young guys?
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2015, 04:20:24 PM »

Offline celticsclay

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Smart
Best - George Hill / Tony Allen Hybrid
Worst - Patrick Beverley

Olynyk
Best - Luis Scola w/ reliable three point shot
Worst - Spencer Hawes

Sullinger
Best - David Lee w/ credible three point shot
Worst - Glen Davis

Young
Best - JR Smith w/ out the crazy
Worst - Rodney Carney

Zeller
Best - Robin Lopez
Worst - Nenad Krstic

Crowder
Best - Matt Barnes
Worst - Ime Udoka

Bradley
Best - What he is now
Worst - Kirk Hinrich

IT
Best - What he is
Worst - Nate Robinson

Isn't Crowder already better than IME Udoka? That guy only had one season where he played over 20 minutes a game, and that season he averaged 8 points and 3.7 rebounds. Crowder has probably already had a better career.

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« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2015, 04:42:33 PM »

Offline LarBrd33

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Smart
Best - George Hill / Tony Allen Hybrid
Worst - Patrick Beverley

Olynyk
Best - Luis Scola w/ reliable three point shot
Worst - Spencer Hawes

Sullinger
Best - David Lee w/ credible three point shot
Worst - Glen Davis

Young
Best - JR Smith w/ out the crazy
Worst - Rodney Carney

Zeller
Best - Robin Lopez
Worst - Nenad Krstic

Crowder
Best - Matt Barnes
Worst - Ime Udoka

Bradley
Best - What he is now
Worst - Kirk Hinrich

IT
Best - What he is
Worst - Nate Robinson
TP

Re: What is the best and worst case scenario for our young guys?
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2015, 04:56:02 PM »

Offline Atzar

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Smart
Best - George Hill / Tony Allen Hybrid
Worst - Patrick Beverley

Olynyk
Best - Luis Scola w/ reliable three point shot
Worst - Spencer Hawes

Sullinger
Best - David Lee w/ credible three point shot
Worst - Glen Davis

Young
Best - JR Smith w/ out the crazy
Worst - Rodney Carney

Zeller
Best - Robin Lopez
Worst - Nenad Krstic

Crowder
Best - Matt Barnes
Worst - Ime Udoka

Bradley
Best - What he is now
Worst - Kirk Hinrich

IT
Best - What he is
Worst - Nate Robinson

Agree with most of this - TP.  I think there's some potential left in Bradley, but that's a nitpick.

Re: What is the best and worst case scenario for our young guys?
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2015, 05:11:14 PM »

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I'm only going to do best-case scenario, because the worst case scenario involves too many factors, i.e. injuries, team fit, etc.

Smart
Ceiling: Less Athletic/Better Shooting DWade

KO
Ceiling: Dirk-lite offensive abilities with a bit better defense

Sully
Ceiling: David Lee/ZBo combo

Young
Ceiling: Athletic Korver

Bradley/IT
Ceiling: What they are

Crowder
Ceiling: Demarre Carroll?

Re: What is the best and worst case scenario for our young guys?
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2015, 05:29:08 PM »

Offline Maurice98

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I'm only going to do best-case scenario, because the worst case scenario involves too many factors, i.e. injuries, team fit, etc.

Smart
Ceiling: Less Athletic/Better Shooting DWade

KO
Ceiling: Dirk-lite offensive abilities with a bit better defense

Sully
Ceiling: David Lee/ZBo combo

Young
Ceiling: Athletic Korver

Bradley/IT
Ceiling: What they are

Crowder
Ceiling: Demarre Carroll?

It's very similar to my comparisons and they are actually so realistic. TP

Re: What is the best and worst case scenario for our young guys?
« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2015, 05:34:48 PM »

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Isn't Crowder already better than IME Udoka? That guy only had one season where he played over 20 minutes a game, and that season he averaged 8 points and 3.7 rebounds. Crowder has probably already had a better career.

Udoka shot 46 / 40 / 74 from the floor that season.  He shot 37% from three the next season for San Antonio.

Crowder's going to need to develop into at least a passable outside shooter to hold down a consistent role in the league.

Plus, we've seen young guys have a good season or two and then regress and stay at that lower level for the rest of their careers before.  So if some of my "worst case" comparisons are worse than the guys are now, that's why.


As for the Carroll comparison, I know it's tempting to compare Jae to Demarre.  Carroll has improved immensely as a shooter and has really found himself in Atlanta's system.  Crowder plays a similar role for the Celtics, and he's also got the awesome dreads.

I don't think Jae will ever reach that level, though, because in the role Jae and Demarre play, the 2 inch height disparity makes a big difference.  Carroll is also 20 pounds lighter, which probably gives him more quickness and agility taking it to the basket.
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« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2015, 05:44:11 PM »

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Isn't Crowder already better than IME Udoka? That guy only had one season where he played over 20 minutes a game, and that season he averaged 8 points and 3.7 rebounds. Crowder has probably already had a better career.

Udoka shot 46 / 40 / 74 from the floor that season.  He shot 37% from three the next season for San Antonio.

Crowder's going to need to develop into at least a passable outside shooter to hold down a consistent role in the league.

Plus, we've seen young guys have a good season or two and then regress and stay at that lower level for the rest of their careers before.  So if some of my "worst case" comparisons are worse than the guys are now, that's why.


As for the Carroll comparison, I know it's tempting to compare Jae to Demarre.  Carroll has improved immensely as a shooter and has really found himself in Atlanta's system.  Crowder plays a similar role for the Celtics, and he's also got the awesome dreads.

I don't think Jae will ever reach that level, though, because in the role Jae and Demarre play, the 2 inch height disparity makes a big difference.  Carroll is also 20 pounds lighter, which probably gives him more quickness and agility taking it to the basket.

I had no idea Jae is only 6'6". He plays MUCH bigger than that to the eye test; I would've guessed he was 6'8" or 6'9".

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« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2015, 06:01:38 PM »

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Smart
Best Jarrett Jack
Worst Marcus Banks

KO
Best Raef Lafrentz
Worst Marty Conlon

Jared Sullinger
Best Mike Sweetney
Worst Jared Sullinger

James Young
Best Gerald Green
Worst Todd Day


Re: What is the best and worst case scenario for our young guys?
« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2015, 06:17:13 PM »

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Isn't Crowder already better than IME Udoka? That guy only had one season where he played over 20 minutes a game, and that season he averaged 8 points and 3.7 rebounds. Crowder has probably already had a better career.

Udoka shot 46 / 40 / 74 from the floor that season.  He shot 37% from three the next season for San Antonio.

Crowder's going to need to develop into at least a passable outside shooter to hold down a consistent role in the league.

Plus, we've seen young guys have a good season or two and then regress and stay at that lower level for the rest of their careers before.  So if some of my "worst case" comparisons are worse than the guys are now, that's why.


As for the Carroll comparison, I know it's tempting to compare Jae to Demarre.  Carroll has improved immensely as a shooter and has really found himself in Atlanta's system.  Crowder plays a similar role for the Celtics, and he's also got the awesome dreads.

I don't think Jae will ever reach that level, though, because in the role Jae and Demarre play, the 2 inch height disparity makes a big difference.  Carroll is also 20 pounds lighter, which probably gives him more quickness and agility taking it to the basket.

I had no idea Jae is only 6'6". He plays MUCH bigger than that to the eye test; I would've guessed he was 6'8" or 6'9".


Two biggest things working against Crowder from the moment he entered the league has been his lack of height for a guy who works best as a 3/4 and his weak outside shooting.
You’ll have to excuse my lengthiness—the reason I dread writing letters is because I am so apt to get to slinging wisdom & forget to let up. Thus much precious time is lost.
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Re: What is the best and worst case scenario for our young guys?
« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2015, 06:33:50 PM »

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Smart=Best - Fat Lever,  Worst - 2014 Smart
I expect his offense to improve and his D to be his calling card.

Olyny= Best - Ryan Anderson, Worst - 2014 KO
He could be a great stretch big but has to be aggressive.

Sullinger= Best - 80% of Love, Worst - 2014 Sully
Will never be at Kevin Loves level but he should be a solid rotation big.

Young= Best - Mitch Richmond, Worst - Gerald Green
I believe the shooting is there to be great but he needs to develop the rest of his game to be successful.

Zeller= Best - Brook Lopez, Worst - 2014 Zeller
I think Zeller can be a good offensive Center but will always be below average on D.

Crowder= Best - Eric Williams , Worst - 2014 Crowder
I like Crowder but he is only a role player.

Bradley= Best - 2013 AB, Worst - 2012 AB
I felt AB took a step back this year. I also don't see him being much better than his contract year.

IT= Best - 2014 IT, Worst - 80% of 2014 IT
I feel IT is at his peak and will maintain his play for at least 4 years.