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Re: Sullinger and KO have a big offseason coming up
« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2015, 11:39:39 PM »

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Sullinger would gain a lot of respect if he actually got into shape. However I don't think Jared has been in shape his entire life so I don't know if he can do it. Best of luck to him as it's probably the difference between a solid NBA career and only lasting another 4 or 5 years.

Olynyk wins my respect if he just cuts his hair.

Actually yeah. I wouldn't mind if KO would cut his hair also.
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Re: Sullinger and KO have a big offseason coming up
« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2015, 11:42:18 PM »

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KO.....needs tats and skin head

Re: Sullinger and KO have a big offseason coming up
« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2015, 11:43:02 PM »

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What if Kelly is like Sampson?
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« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2015, 11:44:03 PM »

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What if Kelly is like Sampson?

I've seen Ralph Sampson, and I can assure you, Kelly Olynyk is no Ralph Sampson.  ;)
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Re: Sullinger and KO have a big offseason coming up
« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2015, 11:47:48 PM »

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Re: Sullinger and KO have a big offseason coming up
« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2015, 12:03:34 AM »

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The likelihood of guys taken at 20, even in a really good draft, of becoming as useful as KO, is not great.

I agree that Sully shouldn't be taking a quarter of his shots from outside.  But I believe he needs the three pointer in his arsenal, taking two or three shots from distance per game.

exactly. I think we need to wait it out and see what KO can do with a pro body. He has progressed from last season.  He needs to become more chiselled.  Same with Sullinger

I am looking forward to seeing how much KO can improve his body this season. If Olynyk puts the work in, there is no good reason why he cannot give the Celtics the same defense & rebounding that Tyler Zeller provides ... while providing much, much more offensively.

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« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2015, 12:15:06 AM »

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Sullinger needs a huge off season. Kelly's seemed off since December after a pretty decent November from what I remember. I'd like to keep Sullinger, Kelly, Bass, and Jerebko but a defensive specialist at the C position is more important to me than keeping all four.
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Re: Sullinger and KO have a big offseason coming up
« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2015, 07:44:12 AM »

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I think it's too early to give up on Sully and games like tonight show why. He was one of our best players this season pre-injury. I would definitely consider Kelly for #20 if we were planning on taking Portis at 16. This series really showed that he can't hang with the tough bigs that are on most playoff teams. His offense can be solid but he is no match on defense or the boards. At 20 I think a shooter like RJ Hunter or a hustle, defensive player like RHJ or Harrell would be a good fit.
Sully has he body and basketball IQ to be a starter in the NBA. He proved his toughness by playing hard in game 4. Hopefully the Playoffs will motivate him to becaome an all star. KO to Toronto would be a good move for both teams. He is a 6 man not a starter.
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Re: Sullinger and KO have a big offseason coming up
« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2015, 10:11:51 AM »

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As much as we complain about Sully and his weight, when he's in any type of shape, he is effective. The ball is in his court now, become a true professional and claim the starting roll of PF on this team, or become a "coulda been" player.

If we didn't have to fix the PF position too, it would make our off season much easier.

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« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2015, 10:21:25 AM »

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Sullinger needs a huge off season. Kelly's seemed off since December after a pretty decent November from what I remember. I'd like to keep Sullinger, Kelly, Bass, and Jerebko but a defensive specialist at the C position is more important to me than keeping all four.

Time to let Bass go. And I hope KO and Sully both have huge, crazily committed summers.

They need it.

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« Reply #25 on: April 27, 2015, 10:24:53 AM »

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Toronto has a TPE large enough to take on KO. If I were Ainge, and they offered the #20, I'd consider it.
Is there anyone at #20 that you like?

Harrell or Hollis-Jefferson. DraftExpress has them both in the early twenties.

If I could swap KO for a junkyard dog whose ceiling is a rebounding specialist, I think I'd do it.

We've got a roster teeming with "junkyard dogs";  Crowder (if we resign him), Smart, and Bradley.  We have very few players with elite offensive skills.

I admit that Kelly had a less impressive sophomore season than I would have hoped for, but he undeniably has a heck of a lot of offensive skill.

Too early to throw the baby out with the bathwater regarding Olynyk. 
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Re: Sullinger and KO have a big offseason coming up
« Reply #26 on: April 27, 2015, 10:27:42 AM »

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As much as we complain about Sully and his weight, when he's in any type of shape, he is effective.

On one end of the court, he is always slow of foot but he is not afraid to get down and dirty.   

I do not think he should be allowed to shoot outside, because he lacks proficiency in it and he is a really talented rebounder.  Every time he tried to spread the floor other teams gave him that shot and seventy two percent of the time he missed it.  He is a nifty low post scorer and a deft rebounder.   I don't mind him shooting them in the offseason to develop that aspect of his game.

I have been a harsh critic of Sully for being unprofessional in his keeping in shape and lack of effort on the defensive end.   But he was one of a few guys who did not back down when it got chippy yesterday.   I think he has some good strengths and some great flaws in that he lacks athletic ability on a great scale, this is not going to improve if he loses a ton of weight because the athletic base is not there.

Big summer, I hope he turns it around, but I honestly see Ainge trying to trade him with a final 21 point game.  I hope he gets in shape and embraces what he is, not what he isn't.

Re: Sullinger and KO have a big offseason coming up
« Reply #27 on: April 27, 2015, 11:25:19 AM »

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I have never been a fan of a big man that can't rebound, play defense and battle hard under the glass. For that reason, I would have no problem off loading Olynyk this off season. He pretty much proved most of what I said against him when he came out of college. I said he would struggle offensively against PFs that were strong and athletic. I said he just wouldn't be able to have the strength or athleticism to be any type of defender. I said he was a poor rebounder.

After two years, he has done nothing to change that.

He has almost always been most consistent and most productive when the C's were playing their worst as a team and not being taken seriously by their competition. That is a poor sign.

I just see no way Olynyk suddenly grows longer arms, gets to jump higher and faster on his second jump, gets to move faster laterally, learns the basics of boxing out, significantly increases his strength at his base or any of the other things that would have to happen for KO to become a much better player than he has shown.

He can shoot when he has confidence. He can run the floor once he gets a head of steam up. He is a good passer. But is is soft. He is a horrid defender. And he can't rebound. He is probably a good 8th - 10th man off the bench to give you some offense from the front court and that's all he is going to be. At 24-25 years old, I just see no more ceiling to grow into for KO. That Stevens had to bench him in the final two games of a playoff series because he could not get a defensive rebound is extremely telling to me.

Re: Sullinger and KO have a big offseason coming up
« Reply #28 on: April 27, 2015, 12:11:32 PM »

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I think these two are the biggest question marks in regards to next season.

Sully had an impressive series considering he was coming back from a supposed to be season ending foot injury. Not counting his 1st game he averaged 22min 15pt 8rb. Running a quick comparison Zach Randolph is averaging 33.6mpg 14pts 8rb in the playoffs. Aldridge is playing almost double sully minutes at 43mpg with 25pts 11.5rb. My point of this is that he is a player. His conditioning and health are the only thing preventing him from being a fringe all star and those are two big hurdles. DA and BS know him better then any forum posters, I'm trusting they have a sense of whether he is gets it, or if he will again come into camp out of shape. A motivated Sully is the Cs PF for the next 5+ years.

KO unlike Sully struggles these playoffs aside from the first game where he shot well. I truly believe KO's ceiling is as a finesse 3rd big. I really like what he is capable of on offense and as a bench player I can handle his short comings on the boards and defensively. As a 7' face up stretch 4 who can pass his skill set is super valuable in todays NBA. Consistency is the killer here.

Ultimately I think one of these two goes either this off-season or next. They are both to limited on D to play together long term. They both need to do enough on D to get by and are not capable of making up for the others faults. Not at the same level but similar to when Minn has Big AL and Love. 
   
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Re: Sullinger and KO have a big offseason coming up
« Reply #29 on: April 27, 2015, 12:13:58 PM »

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I have never been a fan of a big man that can't rebound, play defense and battle hard under the glass. For that reason, I would have no problem off loading Olynyk this off season. He pretty much proved most of what I said against him when he came out of college. I said he would struggle offensively against PFs that were strong and athletic. I said he just wouldn't be able to have the strength or athleticism to be any type of defender. I said he was a poor rebounder.

After two years, he has done nothing to change that.

He has almost always been most consistent and most productive when the C's were playing their worst as a team and not being taken seriously by their competition. That is a poor sign.

I just see no way Olynyk suddenly grows longer arms, gets to jump higher and faster on his second jump, gets to move faster laterally, learns the basics of boxing out, significantly increases his strength at his base or any of the other things that would have to happen for KO to become a much better player than he has shown.

He can shoot when he has confidence. He can run the floor once he gets a head of steam up. He is a good passer. But is is soft. He is a horrid defender. And he can't rebound. He is probably a good 8th - 10th man off the bench to give you some offense from the front court and that's all he is going to be. At 24-25 years old, I just see no more ceiling to grow into for KO. That Stevens had to bench him in the final two games of a playoff series because he could not get a defensive rebound is extremely telling to me.

Yeah, I'm running out of patience with KO.  I think he's going to be good for somebody some day.  Send him to the Spurs and he'd be a great piece for them, I'm confident saying that.  But he's gonna need a small role and he's gonna need guys around him who carry the load and do all the rough and tough stuff and lead the team on the floor.
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