Author Topic: Who are tankers mad at exactly?  (Read 6679 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Re: Who are tankers mad at exactly?
« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2015, 08:13:09 PM »

Offline CoachBo

  • NCE
  • Paul Silas
  • ******
  • Posts: 6069
  • Tommy Points: 336
The franchise benefits from the national publicity for Stevens and our hard-working little crew of over-achievers FAR more than tanking in the hopes of a high lottery pick - remember last year?

We landed the sixth pick, rather than a top pick, and we got a decent player, but no one who really changed the direction of this rebuild - until Ainge made the move for IT.

Time to move on. The floor for this franchise has been established. Time for Ainge to bring in players to elevate this team from 40 to 50 wins in the regular season. The tanking days are gone.
Coined the CelticsBlog term, "Euromistake."

Re: Who are tankers mad at exactly?
« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2015, 08:13:32 PM »

Offline Forza Juventus

  • Jayson Tatum
  • Posts: 964
  • Tommy Points: 70
They should complain to the Owners .....they set the policy

This. They had a chance to reform the draft lottery and decided not to.
Azzurri | Juventus | Boston Celtics | Kentucky Basketball

"All the negativity that’s on Celticsblog sucks. I’ve been around when Kyrie Irving was criticized. I’ve been around when Al Horford was insulted. And it stinks. It makes the greatest team, greatest fans in the world, lousy."

Celticsblog=sports radio

Re: Who are tankers mad at exactly?
« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2015, 08:17:05 PM »

Offline droopdog7

  • Paul Silas
  • ******
  • Posts: 6970
  • Tommy Points: 466
Entire YEARS of the rebuild are wasted by competing this year for a playoff spot.

Keeping Stevens happy doesn't matter if the team inevitably has to go through pain for the picks, which will then lead Stevens to leaving anyways.

Stevens and role players won't attract top flight FAs.

And it's not just about drafting a potential superstar, it's the "optionality" of using those assets to trade for superstars. No one on this team is an asset except for Marcus Smart. Thinking anything else is feeding into the homerism hype of trade value (aka Brandon Bass syndome).
Year?  As in, plural?  So far, making the playoffs his year had taken off exactly one year for the tanking crew.

YEARS. PLURAL.


By the time the Celtics realize they need a complete teardown, Marcus Smart will be too good to prevent that. THen what, you trade Marcus Smart to tank harder? Or you ride that treadmill.

The OKC model is one possibility. And they would've gone all the way if they kept Harden and amnestied Perk, but that's on their owner. Half assed the easy part after the finished the hard part.

But all you need is 1 superstar. Houston traded for it because they had strong assets (the guaranteed Toronto lotto pick + Lamb, a mid lotto pick). Then they used the 1 cornerstone to attract the other in FA.

The difference between Philly and the Celtics is that this year, Philly fans are leaving this year with hope that their assets have strong potential to become franchise players. Noel has more star potential than anyone on this roster. With the Celtics, the strongest form of hope is the Brooklyn picks, which are overrated because Brooklyn has 0 incentive to full-tank (like how they treadmilled this year into the 8th seed) and have plenty of 2016 FA cap space. This roster has no potential. For some fans, you can put on rose colored glasses and pretend like Crowder actually means something longterm. But realistic fans see the despair in a situation of championship irrelevancy for the next 7+ years. The Sixers have legitimate hope. These years have meaning for them, despite their record. This Celtics roster, realistically looking, even Simmons joking about this multiple times, is a team of role players.

The Sixers plan can completely blow up. But so can any plan. Their picks = some possibility. This current roster = 0% chance at anything relevant. So you're just banking on a dumb GM to trade a disgrunted superstar and having a superior offer with a team of role players and overrated Brooklyn picks (when it comes to superstar trades, can we outbid the Knicks if they offer their #1 pick for Cousins? No). Or you're hoping for a FA swoon, which, in 2016, every NBA team will have cap space.
This is funny.  I honestly think that Smart is more likely to be an example of why tanking doesn't work (i.e., he's not a star) than he does of being too good to tank.

Re: Who are tankers mad at exactly?
« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2015, 08:27:10 PM »

Offline PhoSita

  • NCE
  • Robert Parish
  • *********************
  • Posts: 21835
  • Tommy Points: 2182
The franchise benefits from the national publicity for Stevens and our hard-working little crew of over-achievers FAR more than tanking in the hopes of a high lottery pick - remember last year?

We landed the sixth pick, rather than a top pick, and we got a decent player, but no one who really changed the direction of this rebuild - until Ainge made the move for IT.

Time to move on. The floor for this franchise has been established. Time for Ainge to bring in players to elevate this team from 40 to 50 wins in the regular season. The tanking days are gone.

Again ... would love to hear how this is going to be accomplished in one summer.
You’ll have to excuse my lengthiness—the reason I dread writing letters is because I am so apt to get to slinging wisdom & forget to let up. Thus much precious time is lost.
- Mark Twain

Re: Who are tankers mad at exactly?
« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2015, 08:56:48 PM »

Offline Dino Pitino

  • NCE
  • Don Chaney
  • *
  • Posts: 1822
  • Tommy Points: 219
Entire YEARS of the rebuild are wasted by competing this year for a playoff spot.

Keeping Stevens happy doesn't matter if the team inevitably has to go through pain for the picks, which will then lead Stevens to leaving anyways.

Stevens and role players won't attract top flight FAs.

And it's not just about drafting a potential superstar, it's the "optionality" of using those assets to trade for superstars. No one on this team is an asset except for Marcus Smart. Thinking anything else is feeding into the homerism hype of trade value (aka Brandon Bass syndome).
Year?  As in, plural?  So far, making the playoffs his year had taken off exactly one year for the tanking crew.

YEARS. PLURAL.


By the time the Celtics realize they need a complete teardown, Marcus Smart will be too good to prevent that. THen what, you trade Marcus Smart to tank harder? Or you ride that treadmill.

The OKC model is one possibility. And they would've gone all the way if they kept Harden and amnestied Perk, but that's on their owner. Half assed the easy part after the finished the hard part.

But all you need is 1 superstar. Houston traded for it because they had strong assets (the guaranteed Toronto lotto pick + Lamb, a mid lotto pick). Then they used the 1 cornerstone to attract the other in FA.

The difference between Philly and the Celtics is that this year, Philly fans are leaving this year with hope that their assets have strong potential to become franchise players. Noel has more star potential than anyone on this roster. With the Celtics, the strongest form of hope is the Brooklyn picks, which are overrated because Brooklyn has 0 incentive to full-tank (like how they treadmilled this year into the 8th seed) and have plenty of 2016 FA cap space. This roster has no potential. For some fans, you can put on rose colored glasses and pretend like Crowder actually means something longterm. But realistic fans see the despair in a situation of championship irrelevancy for the next 7+ years. The Sixers have legitimate hope. These years have meaning for them, despite their record. This Celtics roster, realistically looking, even Simmons joking about this multiple times, is a team of role players.

The Sixers plan can completely blow up. But so can any plan. Their picks = some possibility. This current roster = 0% chance at anything relevant. So you're just banking on a dumb GM to trade a disgrunted superstar and having a superior offer with a team of role players and overrated Brooklyn picks (when it comes to superstar trades, can we outbid the Knicks if they offer their #1 pick for Cousins? No). Or you're hoping for a FA swoon, which, in 2016, every NBA team will have cap space.

Your argument is predicated on a couple things.

1. The picks Ainge has control over are overrated.
2. There aren't many dumb GM's in the league.

But...

1. All three Brooklyn picks could be lottery picks. So could the Dallas pick next year. Hell, even the Celtics' own picks going forward could be lottery picks. We're not talking about championship-caliber rosters in the foreseeable future. Picks are valued for what they could be. The picks we own are very, very valuable. One can imagine a scenario where they wind up being non-lottery picks, sure. That's the case with almost every future 1st round pick, ever. Crapshoot upon crapshoot. Any rival GM would love any of those picks. So, you are wrong. Not overrated.

2. The league is full of dumb and less-smart-than-Ainge GM's. You cite the Thunder, who have one of the smartest GM's in the NBA, but...who made one of the dumbest decisions in NBA history, which you reference in the very next line. Even smart team execs make dumb-as-rocks decisions. And the truly dumb execs, of which there is no shortage, make decisions like that all the time.

So, yeah, loading up on non-overrated picks and banking on other execs to make stupid calls? That's a good strategy. Especially if you're a clever enough trader to extract surplus value from even the non-dumb execs with mediocre assets like trade exceptions and second rounders.

p.s. How can both A. Complain that Marcus will be singlehandedly so good it'll prevent the Celtics from tanking, and yet B. Assert that the roster has no potential?  ??? Does not compute.
"Young man, you have the question backwards." - Bill Russell

"My guess is that an aggregator of expert opinions would be close in terms of results to that of Danny." - Roy H.

Re: Who are tankers mad at exactly?
« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2015, 09:31:07 PM »

Offline Dino Pitino

  • NCE
  • Don Chaney
  • *
  • Posts: 1822
  • Tommy Points: 219
The franchise benefits from the national publicity for Stevens and our hard-working little crew of over-achievers FAR more than tanking in the hopes of a high lottery pick - remember last year?

We landed the sixth pick, rather than a top pick, and we got a decent player, but no one who really changed the direction of this rebuild - until Ainge made the move for IT.

Time to move on. The floor for this franchise has been established. Time for Ainge to bring in players to elevate this team from 40 to 50 wins in the regular season. The tanking days are gone.

Again ... would love to hear how this is going to be accomplished in one summer.

We went from a 25-win-pace team to a 40-win team (on pace for even more) in a span of, like, one month, in the middle of the season. It's not that difficult to imagine going from 40 to 50 in the space of an entire offseason. The really hard part would be shifting from 50 to Championship.

Picking a single scenario is a fool's errand, though. No telling now which players will be available for what in potential trades. But there'll definitely be a handful of established All-Stars available, plus a handful of up-and-coming potential All-Stars, a whole bunch of sleepers. There is every year. We'll be able to upgrade any position, not boxed in to any particular setup, so we could get in on literally any trade possibility. Plenty of cap space for contract dumps. (I won't even entertain the idea of free agents, getting a good one would be gravy.) Options are nearly limitless. Why are you so pessimistic?
"Young man, you have the question backwards." - Bill Russell

"My guess is that an aggregator of expert opinions would be close in terms of results to that of Danny." - Roy H.

Re: Who are tankers mad at exactly?
« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2015, 09:37:28 PM »

Offline Smokeeye123

  • Bailey Howell
  • **
  • Posts: 2374
  • Tommy Points: 156
Entire YEARS of the rebuild are wasted by competing this year for a playoff spot.

Keeping Stevens happy doesn't matter if the team inevitably has to go through pain for the picks, which will then lead Stevens to leaving anyways.

Stevens and role players won't attract top flight FAs.

And it's not just about drafting a potential superstar, it's the "optionality" of using those assets to trade for superstars. No one on this team is an asset except for Marcus Smart. Thinking anything else is feeding into the homerism hype of trade value (aka Brandon Bass syndome).
Year?  As in, plural?  So far, making the playoffs his year had taken off exactly one year for the tanking crew.

YEARS. PLURAL.


By the time the Celtics realize they need a complete teardown, Marcus Smart will be too good to prevent that. THen what, you trade Marcus Smart to tank harder? Or you ride that treadmill.

The OKC model is one possibility. And they would've gone all the way if they kept Harden and amnestied Perk, but that's on their owner. Half assed the easy part after the finished the hard part.

But all you need is 1 superstar. Houston traded for it because they had strong assets (the guaranteed Toronto lotto pick + Lamb, a mid lotto pick). Then they used the 1 cornerstone to attract the other in FA.

The difference between Philly and the Celtics is that this year, Philly fans are leaving this year with hope that their assets have strong potential to become franchise players. Noel has more star potential than anyone on this roster. With the Celtics, the strongest form of hope is the Brooklyn picks, which are overrated because Brooklyn has 0 incentive to full-tank (like how they treadmilled this year into the 8th seed) and have plenty of 2016 FA cap space. This roster has no potential. For some fans, you can put on rose colored glasses and pretend like Crowder actually means something longterm. But realistic fans see the despair in a situation of championship irrelevancy for the next 7+ years. The Sixers have legitimate hope. These years have meaning for them, despite their record. This Celtics roster, realistically looking, even Simmons joking about this multiple times, is a team of role players.

The Sixers plan can completely blow up. But so can any plan. Their picks = some possibility. This current roster = 0% chance at anything relevant. So you're just banking on a dumb GM to trade a disgrunted superstar and having a superior offer with a team of role players and overrated Brooklyn picks (when it comes to superstar trades, can we outbid the Knicks if they offer their #1 pick for Cousins? No). Or you're hoping for a FA swoon, which, in 2016, every NBA team will have cap space.

Wave that flag Xepa, I agree with you 100%. People who argue that tanking is not a sure thing and mention OKC in a negative light. Yeah they may have not one the championship but they are [dang] close. A better coach and better fringe players and they are right there. They have their superstar in Durant and that is all you really need.

For every team that it doesnt work for, look at the Cavs. They tanked the last like 4 years after Lebron left and they got Kyrie, and Wiggins, (who they traded for Love). Yes no strategy is 100% but the only thing that I know for 100% certainty is that making the playoffs every year as a 7 seed and not trading for/signing elite players will get us nowhere.

Re: Who are tankers mad at exactly?
« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2015, 09:45:48 PM »

Offline ImShakHeIsShaq

  • NCE
  • Tiny Archibald
  • *******
  • Posts: 7739
  • Tommy Points: 804
Entire YEARS of the rebuild are wasted by competing this year for a playoff spot.

Keeping Stevens happy doesn't matter if the team inevitably has to go through pain for the picks, which will then lead Stevens to leaving anyways.

Stevens and role players won't attract top flight FAs.

And it's not just about drafting a potential superstar, it's the "optionality" of using those assets to trade for superstars. No one on this team is an asset except for Marcus Smart. Thinking anything else is feeding into the homerism hype of trade value (aka Brandon Bass syndome).
Year?  As in, plural?  So far, making the playoffs his year had taken off exactly one year for the tanking crew.

YEARS. PLURAL.


By the time the Celtics realize they need a complete teardown, Marcus Smart will be too good to prevent that. THen what, you trade Marcus Smart to tank harder? Or you ride that treadmill.

The OKC model is one possibility. And they would've gone all the way if they kept Harden and amnestied Perk, but that's on their owner. Half assed the easy part after the finished the hard part.

But all you need is 1 superstar. Houston traded for it because they had strong assets (the guaranteed Toronto lotto pick + Lamb, a mid lotto pick). Then they used the 1 cornerstone to attract the other in FA.

The difference between Philly and the Celtics is that this year, Philly fans are leaving this year with hope that their assets have strong potential to become franchise players. Noel has more star potential than anyone on this roster. With the Celtics, the strongest form of hope is the Brooklyn picks, which are overrated because Brooklyn has 0 incentive to full-tank (like how they treadmilled this year into the 8th seed) and have plenty of 2016 FA cap space. This roster has no potential. For some fans, you can put on rose colored glasses and pretend like Crowder actually means something longterm. But realistic fans see the despair in a situation of championship irrelevancy for the next 7+ years. The Sixers have legitimate hope. These years have meaning for them, despite their record. This Celtics roster, realistically looking, even Simmons joking about this multiple times, is a team of role players.

The Sixers plan can completely blow up. But so can any plan. Their picks = some possibility. This current roster = 0% chance at anything relevant. So you're just banking on a dumb GM to trade a disgrunted superstar and having a superior offer with a team of role players and overrated Brooklyn picks (when it comes to superstar trades, can we outbid the Knicks if they offer their #1 pick for Cousins? No). Or you're hoping for a FA swoon, which, in 2016, every NBA team will have cap space.

Wave that flag Xepa, I agree with you 100%. People who argue that tanking is not a sure thing and mention OKC in a negative light. Yeah they may have not one the championship but they are [dang] close. A better coach and better fringe players and they are right there. They have their superstar in Durant and that is all you really need.

For every team that it doesnt work for, look at the Cavs. They tanked the last like 4 years after Lebron left and they got Kyrie, and Wiggins, (who they traded for Love). Yes no strategy is 100% but the only thing that I know for 100% certainty is that making the playoffs every year as a 7 seed and not trading for/signing elite players will get us nowhere.

You realize this is one year as the 7th seed? Who knows what the future holds.

Like I said, maybe we should have been Toronto, maybe that would have made people happy. Hahaha.
It takes me 3hrs to get to Miami and 1hr to get to Orlando... but I *SPIT* on their NBA teams! "Bless God and bless the (Celts)"-Lady GaGa (she said gays but she really meant Celts)

Re: Who are tankers mad at exactly?
« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2015, 09:45:50 PM »

Offline Xepa

  • Neemias Queta
  • Posts: 12
  • Tommy Points: 5
Entire YEARS of the rebuild are wasted by competing this year for a playoff spot.

Keeping Stevens happy doesn't matter if the team inevitably has to go through pain for the picks, which will then lead Stevens to leaving anyways.

Stevens and role players won't attract top flight FAs.

And it's not just about drafting a potential superstar, it's the "optionality" of using those assets to trade for superstars. No one on this team is an asset except for Marcus Smart. Thinking anything else is feeding into the homerism hype of trade value (aka Brandon Bass syndome).
Year?  As in, plural?  So far, making the playoffs his year had taken off exactly one year for the tanking crew.

YEARS. PLURAL.


By the time the Celtics realize they need a complete teardown, Marcus Smart will be too good to prevent that. THen what, you trade Marcus Smart to tank harder? Or you ride that treadmill.

The OKC model is one possibility. And they would've gone all the way if they kept Harden and amnestied Perk, but that's on their owner. Half assed the easy part after the finished the hard part.

But all you need is 1 superstar. Houston traded for it because they had strong assets (the guaranteed Toronto lotto pick + Lamb, a mid lotto pick). Then they used the 1 cornerstone to attract the other in FA.

The difference between Philly and the Celtics is that this year, Philly fans are leaving this year with hope that their assets have strong potential to become franchise players. Noel has more star potential than anyone on this roster. With the Celtics, the strongest form of hope is the Brooklyn picks, which are overrated because Brooklyn has 0 incentive to full-tank (like how they treadmilled this year into the 8th seed) and have plenty of 2016 FA cap space. This roster has no potential. For some fans, you can put on rose colored glasses and pretend like Crowder actually means something longterm. But realistic fans see the despair in a situation of championship irrelevancy for the next 7+ years. The Sixers have legitimate hope. These years have meaning for them, despite their record. This Celtics roster, realistically looking, even Simmons joking about this multiple times, is a team of role players.

The Sixers plan can completely blow up. But so can any plan. Their picks = some possibility. This current roster = 0% chance at anything relevant. So you're just banking on a dumb GM to trade a disgrunted superstar and having a superior offer with a team of role players and overrated Brooklyn picks (when it comes to superstar trades, can we outbid the Knicks if they offer their #1 pick for Cousins? No). Or you're hoping for a FA swoon, which, in 2016, every NBA team will have cap space.

Your argument is predicated on a couple things.

1. The picks Ainge has control over are overrated.
2. There aren't many dumb GM's in the league.

But...

1. All three Brooklyn picks could be lottery picks. So could the Dallas pick next year. Hell, even the Celtics' own picks going forward could be lottery picks. We're not talking about championship-caliber rosters in the foreseeable future. Picks are valued for what they could be. The picks we own are very, very valuable. One can imagine a scenario where they wind up being non-lottery picks, sure. That's the case with almost every future 1st round pick, ever. Crapshoot upon crapshoot. Any rival GM would love any of those picks. So, you are wrong. Not overrated.

2. The league is full of dumb and less-smart-than-Ainge GM's. You cite the Thunder, who have one of the smartest GM's in the NBA, but...who made one of the dumbest decisions in NBA history, which you reference in the very next line. Even smart team execs make dumb-as-rocks decisions. And the truly dumb execs, of which there is no shortage, make decisions like that all the time.

So, yeah, loading up on non-overrated picks and banking on other execs to make stupid calls? That's a good strategy. Especially if you're a clever enough trader to extract surplus value from even the non-dumb execs with mediocre assets like trade exceptions and second rounders.

p.s. How can both A. Complain that Marcus will be singlehandedly so good it'll prevent the Celtics from tanking, and yet B. Assert that the roster has no potential?  ??? Does not compute.

1) To address the other poster. Attracting a FA has nothing to do with the chances of getting one via draft pick. Completely separate odds. It's not either/or. It's AND. And we're removing that option completely by taking away entire chances of getting a superstar in the teens vs. top 7.

2) You can be a player good enough to prevent tanking, but not good enough to create a championship caliber team. Horford. Noah. Lowry. No man's land. Raptors are in no-man's land, except their roster has a lot more trade assets.

3) If Dallas is lottery it's a "barely-miss-the-playoffs" pick in the 13-15 range. And again, those picks from other teams is completely independent of the Celtics' own record. Sure, maybe there's a 15% chance Brooklyn completely flames out and creates a top 5 lottery pick (even though they will fight like hell to avoid that because there's 0 incentive for that) but that's just wishful homerism. That's like Lakers fans this year hoping Houston would crash and burn without Dwight, but the Houston pick still ended up as a crappy first. That's what the Dallas pick is, a crappy first. Better than Rondo walking, but not good enough to hang the "future" on.

The Celtics need a top 8 pick. Enough of the James Youngs, the KO, the Sullingers, the pure mediocrity that breeds more mediocrity. Again, this is a COMPLETELY independent probabilistic event than the Nets/Dallas pick, because banking on those picks to get the franchise player is like saying you only need 1 stroke to get the ball in the hole. Yes, you can get the hole-in-one, but I like the odds a lot more if you had multiple strokes. That's the entire crux of the tanker argument, increasing probability.

Re: Who are tankers mad at exactly?
« Reply #24 on: April 26, 2015, 09:50:19 PM »

Offline Smokeeye123

  • Bailey Howell
  • **
  • Posts: 2374
  • Tommy Points: 156
Imshakheshaq,

Yeah the raptors are in a horrible position. They have what they thought were their stars but even their stars aren't good enough. Maybe the Celtics can work some trades if they decide to blow things up.

Re: Who are tankers mad at exactly?
« Reply #25 on: April 26, 2015, 09:51:44 PM »

Offline Dino Pitino

  • NCE
  • Don Chaney
  • *
  • Posts: 1822
  • Tommy Points: 219
Quote
Yes no strategy is 100% but the only thing that I know for 100% certainty is that making the playoffs every year as a 7 seed and not trading for/signing elite players will get us nowhere.

I'm fairly new here, but I'm pretty sure that no one at all is proposing that as a strategy. Everyone here thinks we need to acquire at least one elite player, right? There is literally no one here who thinks this current roster doesn't need at least one elite upgrade, right? Right. The fans you're thinking of only exist in your imagination.
"Young man, you have the question backwards." - Bill Russell

"My guess is that an aggregator of expert opinions would be close in terms of results to that of Danny." - Roy H.

Re: Who are tankers mad at exactly?
« Reply #26 on: April 26, 2015, 10:24:35 PM »

Offline PhoSita

  • NCE
  • Robert Parish
  • *********************
  • Posts: 21835
  • Tommy Points: 2182
The franchise benefits from the national publicity for Stevens and our hard-working little crew of over-achievers FAR more than tanking in the hopes of a high lottery pick - remember last year?

We landed the sixth pick, rather than a top pick, and we got a decent player, but no one who really changed the direction of this rebuild - until Ainge made the move for IT.

Time to move on. The floor for this franchise has been established. Time for Ainge to bring in players to elevate this team from 40 to 50 wins in the regular season. The tanking days are gone.

Again ... would love to hear how this is going to be accomplished in one summer.

We went from a 25-win-pace team to a 40-win team (on pace for even more) in a span of, like, one month, in the middle of the season. It's not that difficult to imagine going from 40 to 50 in the space of an entire offseason. The really hard part would be shifting from 50 to Championship.

Picking a single scenario is a fool's errand, though. No telling now which players will be available for what in potential trades. But there'll definitely be a handful of established All-Stars available, plus a handful of up-and-coming potential All-Stars, a whole bunch of sleepers. There is every year. We'll be able to upgrade any position, not boxed in to any particular setup, so we could get in on literally any trade possibility. Plenty of cap space for contract dumps. (I won't even entertain the idea of free agents, getting a good one would be gravy.) Options are nearly limitless. Why are you so pessimistic?

I'm not saying it's impossible.  I think it's easy to say it without offering one of the allegedly many ways it could plausibly happen, in your view.  If you did, we could discuss whether or not it's actually plausible.
You’ll have to excuse my lengthiness—the reason I dread writing letters is because I am so apt to get to slinging wisdom & forget to let up. Thus much precious time is lost.
- Mark Twain

Re: Who are tankers mad at exactly?
« Reply #27 on: April 26, 2015, 10:31:35 PM »

Offline Lucky17

  • DKC Commish
  • JoJo White
  • ****************
  • Posts: 16021
  • Tommy Points: 2352
Rondo TPE and picks for Ty Lawson (Nuggets rebuild)
Use Prince TPE to acquire Omer Asik in sign and trade
Gerald Wallace for David Lee (salary dump to retain D. Green)
retain Crowder

Lawson / IT
Smart / Bradley
Crowder / Turner
Lee / Sullinger
Asik / Zeller / KO

Still have MLE to acquire another vet player to round out rotation.
DKC League is now on reddit!: http://www.reddit.com/r/dkcleague

Re: Who are tankers mad at exactly?
« Reply #28 on: April 26, 2015, 10:39:30 PM »

Offline Smokeeye123

  • Bailey Howell
  • **
  • Posts: 2374
  • Tommy Points: 156
Quote
Yes no strategy is 100% but the only thing that I know for 100% certainty is that making the playoffs every year as a 7 seed and not trading for/signing elite players will get us nowhere.

I'm fairly new here, but I'm pretty sure that no one at all is proposing that as a strategy. Everyone here thinks we need to acquire at least one elite player, right? There is literally no one here who thinks this current roster doesn't need at least one elite upgrade, right? Right. The fans you're thinking of only exist in your imagination.

Did I say other fans thought that? I was stating the obvious. The 7th seed is not where you want your team to be and we should be doing everything we can this offseason to trade some of our numerous scrubs for better players. Maybe Sully can finally try an In 'N Out burger if he gets traded to a west coast team.

Re: Who are tankers mad at exactly?
« Reply #29 on: April 26, 2015, 10:41:30 PM »

Offline Smokeeye123

  • Bailey Howell
  • **
  • Posts: 2374
  • Tommy Points: 156
Rondo TPE and picks for Ty Lawson (Nuggets rebuild)
Use Prince TPE to acquire Omer Asik in sign and trade
Gerald Wallace for David Lee (salary dump to retain D. Green)
retain Crowder

Lawson / IT
Smart / Bradley
Crowder / Turner
Lee / Sullinger
Asik / Zeller / KO

Still have MLE to acquire another vet player to round out rotation.

Ainge will want to be flexible when players that are actually talented come into free agency. Yes Lawson is a good player. But he is not someone you want to invest any large sum of money in. When Love hits FA Ainge wants to remain flexible.