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Re: So... What lessons did we learn?
« Reply #45 on: April 26, 2015, 04:43:09 PM »

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That we should tank next year and trade our entire team and picks for a star.



Oh yeah...that sounds logical.

Re: So... What lessons did we learn?
« Reply #46 on: April 26, 2015, 04:49:28 PM »

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It seems to me that being a team mate of IT4 would be a wearing experience, I can envision him being one of those guys who bounces from team to team and ends up playing on 6-8 teams when his career is all said and done, gets his numbers, but not much else.
Rich man's Nate Robinson.

Re: So... What lessons did we learn?
« Reply #47 on: April 26, 2015, 04:50:05 PM »

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Keeping: Smart, Crowder, Young
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Re: So... What lessons did we learn?
« Reply #48 on: April 26, 2015, 04:50:18 PM »

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I also learned that outside of Smart and Crowder, any of these guys can be traded. As well as Brad Stevens is the man.
isnt crowder a free agent ?
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How much is he getting on the open market?  Retaining him might eat into our cap space. If we want to sign a max contract or a couple impact players, we may be forced to let bass, jerebko and crowder walk.

I don't know what he'll cost, but I watch a guy like Draymond Green play a starring role for the best team in basketball, and it makes me think I'd be willing to see the Celtics spend some money to retain Jae Crowder.

Now, if somebody offers him something silly like over $10million a year, that would be tough to match.  Who's going to offer him that, though?  Contenders can't afford to pay that to a guy a like Crowder (plus, most of them already have a guy like that), and rebuilding teams are looking for potential stars, not highly paid glue guys.

I think we can get him back at a reasonable rate.  Something like six or seven per year for three or four years would make me happy.
You letting Bass and Jerebko walk?  Letting those guys walk and giving Crowder 7 mil leaves us with roughly 16 mil in cap space.  Still enough to sign an impact player.   Probably just enough to bring back Bass and sign Asik.   Gives us a nice 32-45 win team next season.

Re: So... What lessons did we learn?
« Reply #49 on: April 26, 2015, 04:50:37 PM »

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It seems to me that being a team mate of IT4 would be a wearing experience, I can envision him being one of those guys who bounces from team to team and ends up playing on 6-8 teams when his career is all said and done, gets his numbers, but not much else.
Rich man's Nate Robinson.

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C:    N. Vucevic/K. Olynyk/E. Davis/C. Jefferson

Re: So... What lessons did we learn?
« Reply #50 on: April 26, 2015, 04:56:00 PM »

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They're not even close, as currently constructed.  They do not have a single player who would currently be thought of as a legit 'starter' on a championship level team.

On the other hand, they've got money, space and picks.  If they can pull off a major FA coup (Aldridge + Love, for example), they could be serious contenders in the pathetic East as early as next year.


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Re: So... What lessons did we learn?
« Reply #51 on: April 26, 2015, 04:58:54 PM »

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Nothing we didn't know already.

Re: So... What lessons did we learn?
« Reply #52 on: April 26, 2015, 05:00:21 PM »

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I also learned that outside of Smart and Crowder, any of these guys can be traded. As well as Brad Stevens is the man.
isnt crowder a free agent ?
Restricted
How much is he getting on the open market?  Retaining him might eat into our cap space. If we want to sign a max contract or a couple impact players, we may be forced to let bass, jerebko and crowder walk.

I don't know what he'll cost, but I watch a guy like Draymond Green play a starring role for the best team in basketball, and it makes me think I'd be willing to see the Celtics spend some money to retain Jae Crowder.

Now, if somebody offers him something silly like over $10million a year, that would be tough to match.  Who's going to offer him that, though?  Contenders can't afford to pay that to a guy a like Crowder (plus, most of them already have a guy like that), and rebuilding teams are looking for potential stars, not highly paid glue guys.

I think we can get him back at a reasonable rate.  Something like six or seven per year for three or four years would make me happy.
You letting Bass and Jerebko walk?  Letting those guys walk and giving Crowder 7 mil leaves us with roughly 16 mil in cap space.  Still enough to sign an impact player.   Probably just enough to bring back Bass and sign Asik.   Gives us a nice 32-45 win team next season.

I'm not signing Asik.  I'd love to bring back Bass and Jerebko, but if signing Crowder means that we have to let those guys walk, then so be it.

You say we'd still have $16 mill. left over?  That could buy us something nice. 
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PG: G. Hill/D. Schroder
SG: C. Lee/B. Hield/T. Luwawu
SF:  Giannis/J. Lamb/M. Kuzminskas
PF:  E. Ilyasova/J. Jerebko/R. Christmas
C:    N. Vucevic/K. Olynyk/E. Davis/C. Jefferson

Re: So... What lessons did we learn?
« Reply #53 on: April 26, 2015, 05:04:12 PM »

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I do not want Asik.
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Re: So... What lessons did we learn?
« Reply #54 on: April 26, 2015, 05:10:07 PM »

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Never-ever, put a player above the team. 

We went away from TEAM ball, to Pick-n-Roll / Iso ball every time IT4 came in. Guys standing around waiting for IT4 to create.  Heck, we even slowed the game down waiting on IT4.  SO PREDICTABLE.....




Re: So... What lessons did we learn?
« Reply #55 on: April 26, 2015, 05:44:33 PM »

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It seems to me that being a team mate of IT4 would be a wearing experience, I can envision him being one of those guys who bounces from team to team and ends up playing on 6-8 teams when his career is all said and done, gets his numbers, but not much else.
Rich man's Nate Robinson.

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Re: So... What lessons did we learn?
« Reply #56 on: April 26, 2015, 05:47:35 PM »

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It seems to me that being a team mate of IT4 would be a wearing experience, I can envision him being one of those guys who bounces from team to team and ends up playing on 6-8 teams when his career is all said and done, gets his numbers, but not much else.
Rich man's Nate Robinson.

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That's the best comparison I have of him. He's a good player and asset.

Re: So... What lessons did we learn?
« Reply #57 on: April 26, 2015, 05:56:10 PM »

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we need a consistent and reliable rebounder, a star

that'll be a start

Re: So... What lessons did we learn?
« Reply #58 on: April 26, 2015, 05:59:33 PM »

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Most likely we are getting swept, our comeback is too little, too late.

What are some lessons we have learned from the Playoff Experience?

We need a defensive rebounder.

We need to make open 3s.

We do those two things...team can play with anyone in this conference.

Re: So... What lessons did we learn?
« Reply #59 on: April 26, 2015, 06:03:06 PM »

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Never-ever, put a player above the team. 

We went away from TEAM ball, to Pick-n-Roll / Iso ball every time IT4 came in. Guys standing around waiting for IT4 to create.  Heck, we even slowed the game down waiting on IT4.  SO PREDICTABLE.....

That's way too simple of an analysis.  Cleveland's defense forced that.  Turner could not create much all series (except Game 3).  We don't have anyone else on the roster who can dribble penetrate besides Thomas, so when he was in that is exactly what he needed to do.  Cleveland is just a really athletic defensive team.  It starts with Lebron, but adding Shumpert and Mozgov to that team was a huge positive.  They are both excellent defenders.  Kyrie was really good all series on D as well.