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Re: We get picks #16, #28, #33 and #45.
« Reply #150 on: April 21, 2015, 06:21:40 PM »

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Hoping we take BPA at 16 and we trade our 2nds with #28 to trade up for Harrell. Earlier in the year, I thought we were going to need to take him in the 13-16 range, but he has been falling for no apparent reason.

This way we still get a decent prospect and the guy I have wanted all along in Harrell with only taking on two additional rookies, instead of four.

Re: We get picks #16, #28, #33 and #45.
« Reply #151 on: April 21, 2015, 06:24:42 PM »

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I would dare say that we should pick Robert Upshaw at #16 before someone else does.

The risk will be at an all time high, but so is the reward. At where we are picking, he's probably one, if not, the most upside of whoever is left. I get it that there needs to be a ton of work to do for him, especially maturity issues, but basketball wise, he fills a need and there's potential. I say grab him at #16 before anybody else. If NBA teams would be willing to gamble because he has basketball potential, why can't it be us?

I don't mind reaching for him, but it seems like 16 would be a giant reach. Why not just trade back to 25 and take him?

You are making my point, Flex. Someone may try to reach for him. I'm saying pick him now before someone else does. He's a projected 2nd rounder by DraftExpress. With Tim Duncan possibly retiring, Robin Lopez' free agency, Tyson Chandler getting older, and the Lakers not having a legit Center, teams my try to reach him.

Is #16 a very high reach, absolutely. But know this, we reach at #16, we get a guy who, while needs a some work, is someone who is big, and with great potential. Why risk having him being reached by other teams when we can. I mean, at #16, most of the picks could probably wing guys, or role player/bench guys. Upshaw has the potential to be a solid rim protector and an inside presence, don't let him be within range of other teams.

I don't think anyone will reach past 25 for Upshaw. 26-30 is where it could get risky.


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Re: We get picks #16, #28, #33 and #45.
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I would dare say that we should pick Robert Upshaw at #16 before someone else does.

The risk will be at an all time high, but so is the reward. At where we are picking, he's probably one, if not, the most upside of whoever is left. I get it that there needs to be a ton of work to do for him, especially maturity issues, but basketball wise, he fills a need and there's potential. I say grab him at #16 before anybody else. If NBA teams would be willing to gamble because he has basketball potential, why can't it be us?

I don't mind reaching for him, but it seems like 16 would be a giant reach. Why not just trade back to 25 and take him?

You are making my point, Flex. Someone may try to reach for him. I'm saying pick him now before someone else does. He's a projected 2nd rounder by DraftExpress. With Tim Duncan possibly retiring, Robin Lopez' free agency, Tyson Chandler getting older, and the Lakers not having a legit Center, teams my try to reach him.

Is #16 a very high reach, absolutely. But know this, we reach at #16, we get a guy who, while needs a some work, is someone who is big, and with great potential. Why risk having him being reached by other teams when we can. I mean, at #16, most of the picks could probably wing guys, or role player/bench guys. Upshaw has the potential to be a solid rim protector and an inside presence, don't let him be within range of other teams.

I don't think anyone will reach past 25 for Upshaw. 26-30 is where it could get risky.

I mentioned teams from 21-30 that has a need for his size and position. I think one of those teams would reach.
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Re: We get picks #16, #28, #33 and #45.
« Reply #153 on: April 21, 2015, 06:34:43 PM »

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I would dare say that we should pick Robert Upshaw at #16 before someone else does.

The risk will be at an all time high, but so is the reward. At where we are picking, he's probably one, if not, the most upside of whoever is left. I get it that there needs to be a ton of work to do for him, especially maturity issues, but basketball wise, he fills a need and there's potential. I say grab him at #16 before anybody else. If NBA teams would be willing to gamble because he has basketball potential, why can't it be us?

I don't mind reaching for him, but it seems like 16 would be a giant reach. Why not just trade back to 25 and take him?

You are making my point, Flex. Someone may try to reach for him. I'm saying pick him now before someone else does. He's a projected 2nd rounder by DraftExpress. With Tim Duncan possibly retiring, Robin Lopez' free agency, Tyson Chandler getting older, and the Lakers not having a legit Center, teams my try to reach him.

Is #16 a very high reach, absolutely. But know this, we reach at #16, we get a guy who, while needs a some work, is someone who is big, and with great potential. Why risk having him being reached by other teams when we can. I mean, at #16, most of the picks could probably wing guys, or role player/bench guys. Upshaw has the potential to be a solid rim protector and an inside presence, don't let him be within range of other teams.

I don't think anyone will reach past 25 for Upshaw. 26-30 is where it could get risky.

I mentioned teams from 21-30 that has a need for his size and position. I think one of those teams would reach.

Well, this is all conjecture anyhow. Taking Upshaw at 16 is an unnecessary risk. Whether we trade back to 20 or 25, the principle is the same. Pick up value and still get your guy.


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Re: We get picks #16, #28, #33 and #45.
« Reply #154 on: April 21, 2015, 06:39:02 PM »

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Here is where I'm at today:

16: Bobby Portis or Kevon Looney

Then draft these high potential foreign guys and potentially stash all 3 depending on what happens with our roster:

28: George Lucas (only 18, I would probably try to get him out of Brazil and either in the D-League, Greece or Spain)

33: Aleksandar Vezenkov (most NBA ready)

45: Guillermo Hernangomez (averaging 11 ppg / 6 rpg in the Spanish League, 6'11", 20 years old - he could use another year in Spain)

Re: We get picks #16, #28, #33 and #45.
« Reply #155 on: April 21, 2015, 06:39:59 PM »

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I would dare say that we should pick Robert Upshaw at #16 before someone else does.

The risk will be at an all time high, but so is the reward. At where we are picking, he's probably one, if not, the most upside of whoever is left. I get it that there needs to be a ton of work to do for him, especially maturity issues, but basketball wise, he fills a need and there's potential. I say grab him at #16 before anybody else. If NBA teams would be willing to gamble because he has basketball potential, why can't it be us?

I don't mind reaching for him, but it seems like 16 would be a giant reach. Why not just trade back to 25 and take him?

You are making my point, Flex. Someone may try to reach for him. I'm saying pick him now before someone else does. He's a projected 2nd rounder by DraftExpress. With Tim Duncan possibly retiring, Robin Lopez' free agency, Tyson Chandler getting older, and the Lakers not having a legit Center, teams my try to reach him.

Is #16 a very high reach, absolutely. But know this, we reach at #16, we get a guy who, while needs a some work, is someone who is big, and with great potential. Why risk having him being reached by other teams when we can. I mean, at #16, most of the picks could probably wing guys, or role player/bench guys. Upshaw has the potential to be a solid rim protector and an inside presence, don't let him be within range of other teams.

I don't think anyone will reach past 25 for Upshaw. 26-30 is where it could get risky.

I mentioned teams from 21-30 that has a need for his size and position. I think one of those teams would reach.

Well, this is all conjecture anyhow. Taking Upshaw at 16 is an unnecessary risk. Whether we trade back to 20 or 25, the principle is the same. Pick up value and still get your guy.
16 is a big reach. If Danny thinks Upshaw has elite elite talent then fine but the reason he is projected in the second round is because there are 30 better prospects. He may habe a higher ceiling but his ceiling isnt even that high and odds are hes out of the league in two years. Best case scenario he is a slightly improved Omer Asiik type center.

Worth it at 33 with a non garunteed contract maybe at 28, at 16...no way
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Re: We get picks #16, #28, #33 and #45.
« Reply #156 on: April 21, 2015, 06:45:52 PM »

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I would dare say that we should pick Robert Upshaw at #16 before someone else does.

The risk will be at an all time high, but so is the reward. At where we are picking, he's probably one, if not, the most upside of whoever is left. I get it that there needs to be a ton of work to do for him, especially maturity issues, but basketball wise, he fills a need and there's potential. I say grab him at #16 before anybody else. If NBA teams would be willing to gamble because he has basketball potential, why can't it be us?

I don't mind reaching for him, but it seems like 16 would be a giant reach. Why not just trade back to 25 and take him?

You are making my point, Flex. Someone may try to reach for him. I'm saying pick him now before someone else does. He's a projected 2nd rounder by DraftExpress. With Tim Duncan possibly retiring, Robin Lopez' free agency, Tyson Chandler getting older, and the Lakers not having a legit Center, teams my try to reach him.

Is #16 a very high reach, absolutely. But know this, we reach at #16, we get a guy who, while needs a some work, is someone who is big, and with great potential. Why risk having him being reached by other teams when we can. I mean, at #16, most of the picks could probably wing guys, or role player/bench guys. Upshaw has the potential to be a solid rim protector and an inside presence, don't let him be within range of other teams.

I don't think anyone will reach past 25 for Upshaw. 26-30 is where it could get risky.

I mentioned teams from 21-30 that has a need for his size and position. I think one of those teams would reach.

Well, this is all conjecture anyhow. Taking Upshaw at 16 is an unnecessary risk. Whether we trade back to 20 or 25, the principle is the same. Pick up value and still get your guy.
16 is a big reach. If Danny thinks Upshaw has elite elite talent then fine but the reason he is projected in the second round is because there are 30 better prospects. He may habe a higher ceiling but his ceiling isnt even that high and odds are hes out of the league in two years. Best case scenario he is a slightly improved Omer Asiik type center.

Worth it at 33 with a non garunteed contract maybe at 28, at 16...no way

I disagree. I've read stuff on CBS.com that he was playing his way into the mid first round, blocking shots at a high rate and showing good mobility for his size.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25010285/robert-upshaws-draft-prospects-have-more-questions-than-answers

NBA.com has a write-up saying that he could "still be drafted in the first round".

http://www.nba.com/2015/news/features/scott_howard_cooper/03/14/despite-transgressions-robert-upshaw-could-still-go-in-first-round/

His drugs thing is indeed a big red flag, and it is something that needs to be worked with. But there's high upside and real talent there. We're slotted at #16, who among the names out there would be a potential starter quality player in the next few years (outside of maybe Trey Lyles)? Upshaw has very real potential and very good physical stature, and he fills a great need. I'd do a giant reach for that kid, because he's one, if not the only one, who has real potential to be very good.  You try to wait on that spot, he could already have been picked then. If he's a slightly improved Omer Asik, I'd pick him at #16 in a heartbeat.
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Re: We get picks #16, #28, #33 and #45.
« Reply #157 on: April 21, 2015, 06:48:21 PM »

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Here is where I'm at today:

16: Bobby Portis or Kevon Looney

Then draft these high potential foreign guys and potentially stash all 3 depending on what happens with our roster:

28: George Lucas (only 18, I would probably try to get him out of Brazil and either in the D-League, Greece or Spain)

33: Aleksandar Vezenkov (most NBA ready)

45: Guillermo Hernangomez (averaging 11 ppg / 6 rpg in the Spanish League, 6'11", 20 years old - he could use another year in Spain)
if the celtics walked away from the draft with this haul i would be pleased. i would prefer the gamble of upshaw at 33 if he is available. but other than that, it is a good list.
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Re: We get picks #16, #28, #33 and #45.
« Reply #158 on: April 21, 2015, 06:52:19 PM »

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I would dare say that we should pick Robert Upshaw at #16 before someone else does.

The risk will be at an all time high, but so is the reward. At where we are picking, he's probably one, if not, the most upside of whoever is left. I get it that there needs to be a ton of work to do for him, especially maturity issues, but basketball wise, he fills a need and there's potential. I say grab him at #16 before anybody else. If NBA teams would be willing to gamble because he has basketball potential, why can't it be us?

I don't mind reaching for him, but it seems like 16 would be a giant reach. Why not just trade back to 25 and take him?

You are making my point, Flex. Someone may try to reach for him. I'm saying pick him now before someone else does. He's a projected 2nd rounder by DraftExpress. With Tim Duncan possibly retiring, Robin Lopez' free agency, Tyson Chandler getting older, and the Lakers not having a legit Center, teams my try to reach him.

Is #16 a very high reach, absolutely. But know this, we reach at #16, we get a guy who, while needs a some work, is someone who is big, and with great potential. Why risk having him being reached by other teams when we can. I mean, at #16, most of the picks could probably wing guys, or role player/bench guys. Upshaw has the potential to be a solid rim protector and an inside presence, don't let him be within range of other teams.

I don't think anyone will reach past 25 for Upshaw. 26-30 is where it could get risky.

I mentioned teams from 21-30 that has a need for his size and position. I think one of those teams would reach.

Well, this is all conjecture anyhow. Taking Upshaw at 16 is an unnecessary risk. Whether we trade back to 20 or 25, the principle is the same. Pick up value and still get your guy.

I get the point. I'm just saying that why risk having other teams pick him when we already can. I get the reach part, but if he's the guy, why wait when he could already be there. We still have 3 picks after anyways.
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Re: We get picks #16, #28, #33 and #45.
« Reply #159 on: April 21, 2015, 06:55:07 PM »

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Here is where I'm at today:

16: Bobby Portis or Kevon Looney

Then draft these high potential foreign guys and potentially stash all 3 depending on what happens with our roster:

28: George Lucas (only 18, I would probably try to get him out of Brazil and either in the D-League, Greece or Spain)

33: Aleksandar Vezenkov (most NBA ready)

45: Guillermo Hernangomez (averaging 11 ppg / 6 rpg in the Spanish League, 6'11", 20 years old - he could use another year in Spain)

That's a home run draft to me.  I like it.  I'm hoping for Looney over Portis.  Looney to me is top 5 material, and just getting started.

Re: We get picks #16, #28, #33 and #45.
« Reply #160 on: April 21, 2015, 07:05:13 PM »

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I would dare say that we should pick Robert Upshaw at #16 before someone else does.

The risk will be at an all time high, but so is the reward. At where we are picking, he's probably one, if not, the most upside of whoever is left. I get it that there needs to be a ton of work to do for him, especially maturity issues, but basketball wise, he fills a need and there's potential. I say grab him at #16 before anybody else. If NBA teams would be willing to gamble because he has basketball potential, why can't it be us?

I don't mind reaching for him, but it seems like 16 would be a giant reach. Why not just trade back to 25 and take him?

You are making my point, Flex. Someone may try to reach for him. I'm saying pick him now before someone else does. He's a projected 2nd rounder by DraftExpress. With Tim Duncan possibly retiring, Robin Lopez' free agency, Tyson Chandler getting older, and the Lakers not having a legit Center, teams my try to reach him.

Is #16 a very high reach, absolutely. But know this, we reach at #16, we get a guy who, while needs a some work, is someone who is big, and with great potential. Why risk having him being reached by other teams when we can. I mean, at #16, most of the picks could probably wing guys, or role player/bench guys. Upshaw has the potential to be a solid rim protector and an inside presence, don't let him be within range of other teams.

I don't think anyone will reach past 25 for Upshaw. 26-30 is where it could get risky.

I mentioned teams from 21-30 that has a need for his size and position. I think one of those teams would reach.

Well, this is all conjecture anyhow. Taking Upshaw at 16 is an unnecessary risk. Whether we trade back to 20 or 25, the principle is the same. Pick up value and still get your guy.

I get the point. I'm just saying that why risk having other teams pick him when we already can. I get the reach part, but if he's the guy, why wait when he could already be there. We still have 3 picks after anyways.
If the C's believe he is BPA at 16 take him at 16 and dont worry about projected selection.

I just doubt he is BPA until probably around selection 30

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Re: We get picks #16, #28, #33 and #45.
« Reply #161 on: April 21, 2015, 07:08:14 PM »

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Here is where I'm at today:

16: Bobby Portis or Kevon Looney

Then draft these high potential foreign guys and potentially stash all 3 depending on what happens with our roster:

28: George Lucas (only 18, I would probably try to get him out of Brazil and either in the D-League, Greece or Spain)

33: Aleksandar Vezenkov (most NBA ready)

45: Guillermo Hernangomez (averaging 11 ppg / 6 rpg in the Spanish League, 6'11", 20 years old - he could use another year in Spain)

That's a home run draft to me.  I like it.  I'm hoping for Looney over Portis.  Looney to me is top 5 material, and just getting started.

That's 3 of us who like it.  pick 33 i'd be open to Luwawu or another Danny project but I love your choices at the other 3 spots.  Just know nothing about Vezenkov.  Lucas is a must for 28 or 33 and I"m guessing he'll be gone by 33.

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That defense by Portis.
I think this is the biggest argument for Portis. I believe within a few years he would be far and away our best big man defender of the pick and roll.

If he ends up having 3 point range at the NBA level then I think he would be a steal.

Great fit next to Jelly Sullynyk, as well as Stevens' system. If he bulks up that'd be awesome.

I would dare say that we should pick Robert Upshaw at #16 before someone else does.

The risk will be at an all time high, but so is the reward. At where we are picking, he's probably one, if not, the most upside of whoever is left. I get it that there needs to be a ton of work to do for him, especially maturity issues, but basketball wise, he fills a need and there's potential. I say grab him at #16 before anybody else. If NBA teams would be willing to gamble because he has basketball potential, why can't it be us?

I don't mind reaching for him, but it seems like 16 would be a giant reach. Why not just trade back to 25 and take him?

You are making my point, Flex. Someone may try to reach for him. I'm saying pick him now before someone else does. He's a projected 2nd rounder by DraftExpress. With Tim Duncan possibly retiring, Robin Lopez' free agency, Tyson Chandler getting older, and the Lakers not having a legit Center, teams my try to reach him.

Is #16 a very high reach, absolutely. But know this, we reach at #16, we get a guy who, while needs a some work, is someone who is big, and with great potential. Why risk having him being reached by other teams when we can. I mean, at #16, most of the picks could probably wing guys, or role player/bench guys. Upshaw has the potential to be a solid rim protector and an inside presence, don't let him be within range of other teams.

I don't think anyone will reach past 25 for Upshaw. 26-30 is where it could get risky.

I mentioned teams from 21-30 that has a need for his size and position. I think one of those teams would reach.

Well, this is all conjecture anyhow. Taking Upshaw at 16 is an unnecessary risk. Whether we trade back to 20 or 25, the principle is the same. Pick up value and still get your guy.

I get the point. I'm just saying that why risk having other teams pick him when we already can. I get the reach part, but if he's the guy, why wait when he could already be there. We still have 3 picks after anyways.

But he has crazy eyes. Could bust.



I say trade up with our two second rounders.

Or get Wood plus Bobby Portis.

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Re: We get picks #16, #28, #33 and #45.
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That defense by Portis.
I think this is the biggest argument for Portis. I believe within a few years he would be far and away our best big man defender of the pick and roll.

If he ends up having 3 point range at the NBA level then I think he would be a steal.

Great fit next to Jelly Sullynyk, as well as Stevens' system. If he bulks up that'd be awesome.

I would dare say that we should pick Robert Upshaw at #16 before someone else does.

The risk will be at an all time high, but so is the reward. At where we are picking, he's probably one, if not, the most upside of whoever is left. I get it that there needs to be a ton of work to do for him, especially maturity issues, but basketball wise, he fills a need and there's potential. I say grab him at #16 before anybody else. If NBA teams would be willing to gamble because he has basketball potential, why can't it be us?

I don't mind reaching for him, but it seems like 16 would be a giant reach. Why not just trade back to 25 and take him?

You are making my point, Flex. Someone may try to reach for him. I'm saying pick him now before someone else does. He's a projected 2nd rounder by DraftExpress. With Tim Duncan possibly retiring, Robin Lopez' free agency, Tyson Chandler getting older, and the Lakers not having a legit Center, teams my try to reach him.

Is #16 a very high reach, absolutely. But know this, we reach at #16, we get a guy who, while needs a some work, is someone who is big, and with great potential. Why risk having him being reached by other teams when we can. I mean, at #16, most of the picks could probably wing guys, or role player/bench guys. Upshaw has the potential to be a solid rim protector and an inside presence, don't let him be within range of other teams.

I don't think anyone will reach past 25 for Upshaw. 26-30 is where it could get risky.

I mentioned teams from 21-30 that has a need for his size and position. I think one of those teams would reach.

Well, this is all conjecture anyhow. Taking Upshaw at 16 is an unnecessary risk. Whether we trade back to 20 or 25, the principle is the same. Pick up value and still get your guy.

I get the point. I'm just saying that why risk having other teams pick him when we already can. I get the reach part, but if he's the guy, why wait when he could already be there. We still have 3 picks after anyways.

But he has crazy eyes. Could bust.



I say trade up with our two second rounders.

Or get Wood plus Bobby Portis.

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I've never seen an avid 4/20-er with those kind of eyes.
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Re: We get picks #16, #28, #33 and #45.
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