Lines up pretty well with the (intelligent) consensus on here, this part in particular reads like it could've come right off CB:
The Celtics are fond of saying they didn’t tank, and while that’s technically true this time around, the big-picture process isn’t so different from the more blatant teardown happening in Philly. Both teams are concerned mostly with acquiring draft picks and tradable assets. Thomas filled a need in Boston, but the Celtics wouldn’t have dealt for him unless they believed his cheapo long-term contract represented a more liquid trade asset than the first-rounder they sent out.
There's a big difference between Boston and Philly's rebuild. "Be as bad as we possibly can and then get lucky in the draft" is really not at all like "accumulate as many assets as possible for a future move." I mean, Ainge has brought in Zeller, IT, Jerebko and Crowder while and kept Sully, Bradley and Bass while rebuilding. Philly has brought in Luc Mbah a Moute and gotten rid of the reigning Rookie of the Year.
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You have to at least be fair to Philly if you are going to talk about their moves.
Mbah a Moute also came with Shved and a 1st for Thad Young
Signed Jakarr Sampson
Acquired Isiah Canaan and a 2nd for McDaniels
Acquired the Lakers pick for MCW
Acquired a 1st (and McGee) for the rights to a foreign player that likely won't play in the NBA
Acquired Ish Smith off of waivers
Acquired Thomas Robinson off of waivers (remember this guy went 5th and Sully went 21st in the same draft for a reason)
Acquired Glenn Robinson III off of waivers
Philly kept Wroten, Thompson, and Sims (all look like decent bench players on contending teams)
Now granted GR3 hasn't played much but Sampson, Smith, T. Robinson, and Canaan are all upgrades from what they had and gave up to acquire. Wroten looks like a quality bench player on a contending team. Even Covington, Thompson, and Sims would be quality bench players on a contender. Mbah a Moute isn't much different than Bass. And that brings us to Noel who is by far the best prospect (currently playing) and the only guy (currently playing) that could be a top 3 player on a title contender on either team. And that doesn't account for Embiid, Saric, their pick, and the Lakers pick.
Philadelphia has significantly better assets than Boston and perhaps even more critical has players or assets with SIGNIFICANTLY more high end potential.
Ish Smith, Jakarr Sampson, Cannaan, Glen Robinson, Shved, Thompson and Sims? How many of those guys are even going to be in the NBA next year or in two years. That is a steaming pile of garbage right there.. Minus TP for listing them like they were assets
One of these guys is Tyler Zeller, the other is Henry Sims
7.9 p, 5.1 r, 1.0 a, 0.7 b, 0.3 s - 50.1% in 21 minutes a game
7.8 p, 5.0 r, 1.1 a, 0.4 b, 0.6 s - 48.0% in 18.8 minutes a game
You call one of these a real prospect and yet think the other one will be out of the league in a year. And age weighs against Zeller as he is a year older than Sims.
How about we look at Crowder vs. Thompson
7.0 p, 3.1 r, 1.1 a, 0.8 s, 0.3 b - 47.1 (2pt), 39.2 (3pt) in 23.6 minutes a game
5.7 p, 2.8 r, 1.0 a, 0.8 s, 0.3 b - 49.3 (2pt), 32.3 (3pt) in 17.7 minutes a game
Again you call one of these a real prospect and yet think the other one will be out of the league in a year. And again Crowder is a year older than Thompson.
You see that is the thing about fans. We overrate our own pile of dung and underrate the pile of dung on other teams.
Of course all that said, Boston has no one like Noel on its roster. It has no one like Embiid on its roster. I'm not even sure Boston has a Saric on its roster.
Thompson and Sims are putting up those numbers for one of the worst teams in the league. Someone needs to put up numbers for the sixers.
The numbers you listed doesn't take into account how the team is performing with those players. Zeller and Crowder are much much better than those two because their teams perform better their sixers counterparts when they are in.
The Sixers model will work if Embiid, Saric and the future picks develop but right now the only nba player seeing court time that another team would want is Noel. Hinkie has been willing to trade anyone on his roster. Beside Noel the guys left over are not worth anything in the asset pool that is the NBA.
Zeller was on one of the worst teams in the league for his first few years and he isn't really that much better this year. And for the record, Boston isn't terrible, but isn't exactly a good team either. Crowder has virtually the same stats this year as he did for Dallas the last few seasons and he was a rotation player in Dallas i.e. a quality bench player. Thompson and Sims are pretty much the same.
"After going undrafted in the 2012 NBA draft, Sims joined the Utah Jazz for the Orlando Summer League and Chicago Bulls for the Las Vegas Summer League.[1] On September 10, 2012, he signed with the New York Knicks.[2] However, he was waived on October 27.[3] In November 2012, he was acquired by the Erie BayHawks.[2]
On February 4, 2013, Sims was named to the Prospects All-Star roster for the 2013 NBA D-League All-Star Game.[4]
On March 3, 2013, Sims signed a 10-day contract with the New Orleans Hornets.[5] He appeared in two games for the Hornets recording a total of four points and two rebounds. He was released by the Hornets on March 12, 2013[6] and returned to the BayHawks. On April 1, 2013, his contract was bought out by the BayHawks,[2] and a day later, signed with the Petron Blaze Boosters of the Philippines.[7]
He joined the Charlotte Bobcats for the 2013 NBA Summer League. On September 30, 2013, he signed with the Cleveland Cavaliers.[2] On December 5, 2013, he was assigned to the Canton Charge of the NBA D-League.[8] He was recalled by the Cavaliers on December 9.[9] On December 11, he was reassigned to Canton.[10] He was recalled the next day."
Guys has been cut by half the league, played in the Philippines and spent the majority of his career in the d-league. Thompson is more of the same.
Comparing these guys to Zeller who was a mid first round draft pick that made the all rookie second team (and I don't believe has ever spent a day in the d-league) is a really insulting comparison to Zeller. Crowder was at least an early second round pick(34) but he started his career starting on a decent team in Dallas. He has spent a few games in the D-league when Dallas had a ton of vets in the frontcourt, but has been a consistent NBA player in his first couple years. Do we really know nothing about stats on bad teams? Remember when Allen Ray was scoring 15 a game for us at the end of a season?