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Depends on who we draft as well.   Middleton is not a sure thing either, you can bet other teams will be gunning for him.

It would seem that Ainge is less than optimistic we can sign a big name player or he does not want to commit to what is out there.

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I'll admit that I don't know a lot about Middleton but I'd much rather target other players instead (Love, Monroe, Butler, Leonard, etc.)
None of them including green will come here. Love if he leaves goes to the Lakers. Monroe will go to Knicks if he leaves. Kenneth Faried is are best option to trade for with Rondo TPE and some picks if the Nuggets want to rebuild next year. We do have a shot at Middleton but The Bucks will not want to look bad with the ARENA Issue facing them.
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Note - if Middleton keeps up his pace  and continues to show growth I'd be tempted to give him max money this year

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Note - if Middleton keeps up his pace  and continues to show growth I'd be tempted to give him max money this year

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Isn't he a real target for sign and trade cause Bucks have Greek Freak and Jabari Parker.

I thought that, but those 3 are a great rotation at the 2 and 3. And they can go small and play Parker at the 4.

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Note - if Middleton keeps up his pace  and continues to show growth I'd be tempted to give him max money this year

Thankful, your not the GM, here.

Well, there is nothing wrong with giving him the max - under this year's salary cap. It would mean a starting salary of 14700000, and it is a reasonable amount of money to pay for Middleton. Look at Chandler Parsons - his stats are (almost) a mirror replica of Middelton's, but without the defense. He got ~14700000 in the first year with player options. I would do the same with Middleton - 3x15000000, 15% trade kicker, player option on year 3. I would be very surprised to see Bucks match that. (additional note: 15M per year is 18% of the salary cap - exactly the same as initially hated and then lauded Rondo's 12M/year contract)

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Note - if Middleton keeps up his pace  and continues to show growth I'd be tempted to give him max money this year

Thankful, your not the GM, here.

Well, there is nothing wrong with giving him the max - under this year's salary cap. It would mean a starting salary of 14700000, and it is a reasonable amount of money to pay for Middleton. Look at Chandler Parsons - his stats are (almost) a mirror replica of Middelton's, but without the defense. He got ~14700000 in the first year with player options. I would do the same with Middleton - 3x15000000, 15% trade kicker, player option on year 3. I would be very surprised to see Bucks match that. (additional note: 15M per year is 18% of the salary cap - exactly the same as initially hated and then lauded Rondo's 12M/year contract)
The Bucks have plenty of cap space to match the offer and no one else they need to re-sign.  If they think of Middleton as a core player, they'll match the offer. 

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Depends if he's going to command a ton of money.

We can easily sell him the starting SF spot but if he's going to ask max money, that may not be a good idea.
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Note - if Middleton keeps up his pace  and continues to show growth I'd be tempted to give him max money this year

Thankful, your not the GM, here.

Well, there is nothing wrong with giving him the max - under this year's salary cap. It would mean a starting salary of 14700000, and it is a reasonable amount of money to pay for Middleton. Look at Chandler Parsons - his stats are (almost) a mirror replica of Middelton's, but without the defense. He got ~14700000 in the first year with player options. I would do the same with Middleton - 3x15000000, 15% trade kicker, player option on year 3. I would be very surprised to see Bucks match that. (additional note: 15M per year is 18% of the salary cap - exactly the same as initially hated and then lauded Rondo's 12M/year contract)

I have been saying something similar (although I'm not really saying we should offer him the max), but the starting salary is probably closer to $17 million.

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Note - if Middleton keeps up his pace  and continues to show growth I'd be tempted to give him max money this year

Thankful, your not the GM, here.

Well, there is nothing wrong with giving him the max - under this year's salary cap. It would mean a starting salary of 14700000, and it is a reasonable amount of money to pay for Middleton. Look at Chandler Parsons - his stats are (almost) a mirror replica of Middelton's, but without the defense. He got ~14700000 in the first year with player options. I would do the same with Middleton - 3x15000000, 15% trade kicker, player option on year 3. I would be very surprised to see Bucks match that. (additional note: 15M per year is 18% of the salary cap - exactly the same as initially hated and then lauded Rondo's 12M/year contract)

I have been saying something similar (although I'm not really saying we should offer him the max), but the starting salary is probably closer to $17 million.

I don't think it will be quite that high; a strict 25% of a $66 million cap would be $16.5 million, but the league doesn't use a strict 25% of the cap figure.  See footnote #2 here:  http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q16

But, going by your number...

Year 1:  $17 million; Year 2:  $17.765m; Year 3: $18.53m; Year 4: $19.295 million

For a good roleplayer who has been a good starter for one season?  Doesn't that seem crazy to anybody else?

Hell, paying Middleton a flat $15 million per season for three seasons is flat out crazy in my mind, and I really like Middleton.  People are going crazy trying to gamble on "the next big thing".  Watch some Shark Tank, fellas:  paying full price based upon potential future value is a sucker's bargain, because it doesn't take risk into account.


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I think it all revolves around what Danny sees as the larger picture. He can't possibly think that Kawhi is a real option, even if he does make an offer sheet. The Spurs will resign him for sure.

If Danny thinks that there is a real chance to be in a position to play meaningful basketball games (and I don't count probable 8th seed slaughter as really meaningful, I'm talking about top-3 seed with a chance at the Finals) in the next 3 years, and sees a probable hole developing at the 3, I could see why he would do it.

But if he sees different way to fill that hole, or doesn't think there is a real concern there at all, he'll pass, or make a lower offer.

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I'd pass on Khris unless we score a bigger FA to build up team. Also Khris seems like a 4th or 3rd option not a max player so think 7-10million per. New cap maybe 10-13.

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I'd pass on Khris unless we score a bigger FA to build up team. Also Khris seems like a 4th or 3rd option not a max player so think 7-10million per. New cap maybe 10-13.

Agreed. Wasn't that impressed with him tonight

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Note - if Middleton keeps up his pace  and continues to show growth I'd be tempted to give him max money this year

Thankful, your not the GM, here.

Well, there is nothing wrong with giving him the max - under this year's salary cap. It would mean a starting salary of 14700000, and it is a reasonable amount of money to pay for Middleton. Look at Chandler Parsons - his stats are (almost) a mirror replica of Middelton's, but without the defense. He got ~14700000 in the first year with player options. I would do the same with Middleton - 3x15000000, 15% trade kicker, player option on year 3. I would be very surprised to see Bucks match that. (additional note: 15M per year is 18% of the salary cap - exactly the same as initially hated and then lauded Rondo's 12M/year contract)

I have been saying something similar (although I'm not really saying we should offer him the max), but the starting salary is probably closer to $17 million.

I don't think it will be quite that high; a strict 25% of a $66 million cap would be $16.5 million, but the league doesn't use a strict 25% of the cap figure.  See footnote #2 here:  http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q16

But, going by your number...

Year 1:  $17 million; Year 2:  $17.765m; Year 3: $18.53m; Year 4: $19.295 million

For a good roleplayer who has been a good starter for one season?  Doesn't that seem crazy to anybody else?

Hell, paying Middleton a flat $15 million per season for three seasons is flat out crazy in my mind, and I really like Middleton.  People are going crazy trying to gamble on "the next big thing".  Watch some Shark Tank, fellas:  paying full price based upon potential future value is a sucker's bargain, because it doesn't take risk into account.

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I think we should offer him a fair offer but not the max.  He does not deserve to be a max guy.   We don't want to hamper up the rebuild by hamstringing ourselves by paying the max to that kind of guy.