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Re: Cs need to be at the 8th pick or better
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2015, 04:27:37 PM »

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porzingis is so thin has everybody lost their perspective from a few game tapes from europe-get a true power forward or center---this kid will never put on weight quick enough

he is 19 and would be  joining a rebuilding team. I think the Cs will have the patience to aloow him to gain weight and get stronger. Its not like JaJuan Johnson who was super skinny and 23 when he was drafted. Look at Valanciunas on the Raptors or for that matter Anthony Davis. 
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Re: Cs need to be at the 8th pick or better
« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2015, 04:41:38 PM »

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porzingis is so thin has everybody lost their perspective from a few game tapes from europe-get a true power forward or center---this kid will never put on weight quick enough

he is 19 and would be  joining a rebuilding team. I think the Cs will have the patience to aloow him to gain weight and get stronger. Its not like JaJuan Johnson who was super skinny and 23 when he was drafted. Look at Valanciunas on the Raptors or for that matter Anthony Davis.

Porzingis would require some patience indeed, but I think he can have a very, very good future.
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Re: Cs need to be at the 8th pick or better
« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2015, 05:46:58 PM »

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How good of a defender is Justice Winslow? I know Duke have been playing a lot of zone defense. How has he looked when playing one on one defense?

Does he have capacity to be an elite defender? Or just an above average defender?

Re: Cs need to be at the 8th pick or better
« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2015, 06:00:17 PM »

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How good of a defender is Justice Winslow? I know Duke have been playing a lot of zone defense. How has he looked when playing one on one defense?

Does he have capacity to be an elite defender? Or just an above average defender?

This is from draftexpress, so take it as you will (but they seem to be trusted).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INnQex5ZfQQ

The DEFENSE scouting report part starts at 3:05, but it's a good watch to see the entire thing and get a look at what he can do.

He's an athelte, and can be molded into a great defensive player. Granted, they do play zone, but that scouting report shows he's fundamentally solid and is quick on his feet.

I'd drool if we draft him, I would drool and will not clean it up, and I will make it my Justice Winslow shrine.
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Re: Cs need to be at the 8th pick or better
« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2015, 06:11:22 PM »

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I would Oubre and Turner to the mix. In fact, with the way shooting is valued Booker has a shot of being a top 10 pick.

I know very little about Booker but, from what I've been reading, I see a lot of "elite shooter," "makes plays to score," "high basketball IQ," etc.  Is this guy Dougie McBuckets 2.0?

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I would say a better comp is Redick. Booker is a good prospect because of his shooting but he is an average prospect in most other aspects.

I wouldn't say that. Booker is bigger and a better athlete than Redick. I would say a much better comparison would be Klay. Let's not forget that Booker is 18 and doesn't turn 19 until October.

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Wingspan 6-3.25
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Re: Cs need to be at the 8th pick or better
« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2015, 06:34:34 PM »

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I think where this draft actually has a major drop in talent is after 13.

Tier 1
Okafor
Mudiay
Towns

Tier 2
Johnson
Russell
Porzingis (based on on the buzz surrounding him)

Tier 3 (huge tier with wings and bigs and separated accordingly)

Wings-
Hezonja
Oubre
Booker
Winslow

Bigs-
Cauley-Stein
Turner
Looney


Kaminsky is outside my top 13 based on his lack of upside and the fact that his skill-set is redundant to our current crop of players. I'd take Poeltl instead of him because the higher ceiling.

Re: Cs need to be at the 8th pick or better
« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2015, 07:11:27 PM »

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I think where this draft actually has a major drop in talent is after 13.

Tier 1
Okafor
Mudiay
Towns

Tier 2
Johnson
Russell
Porzingis (based on on the buzz surrounding him)

Tier 3 (huge tier with wings and bigs and separated accordingly)

Wings-
Hezonja
Oubre
Booker
Winslow

Bigs-
Cauley-Stein
Turner
Looney


Kaminsky is outside my top 13 based on his lack of upside and the fact that his skill-set is redundant to our current crop of players. I'd take Poeltl instead of him because the higher ceiling.

How do you have Hezonja in the third tier? How do you know he is not Tier 1 good? 

Have you seen Kaminskys stats this season?

Just bc someone is a jr or sr does not mean a freshman is automatically much better bc they haven't reached their potential yet.   

Re: Cs need to be at the 8th pick or better
« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2015, 07:14:44 PM »

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I think where this draft actually has a major drop in talent is after 13.

Tier 1
Okafor
Mudiay
Towns

Tier 2
Johnson
Russell
Porzingis (based on on the buzz surrounding him)

Tier 3 (huge tier with wings and bigs and separated accordingly)

Wings-
Hezonja
Oubre
Booker
Winslow

Bigs-
Cauley-Stein
Turner
Looney


Kaminsky is outside my top 13 based on his lack of upside and the fact that his skill-set is redundant to our current crop of players. I'd take Poeltl instead of him because the higher ceiling.

How do you have Hezonja in the third tier? How do you know he is not Tier 1 good? 

Have you seen Kaminskys stats this season?

Just bc someone is a jr or sr does not mean a freshman is automatically much better bc they haven't reached their potential yet.

Yeah if anything, Hezonja is tier 2 and Porzingis is tier 3

Re: Cs need to be at the 8th pick or better
« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2015, 07:31:14 PM »

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I think where this draft actually has a major drop in talent is after 13.

Tier 1
Okafor
Mudiay
Towns

Tier 2
Johnson
Russell
Porzingis (based on on the buzz surrounding him)

Tier 3 (huge tier with wings and bigs and separated accordingly)

Wings-
Hezonja
Oubre
Booker
Winslow

Bigs-
Cauley-Stein
Turner
Looney


Kaminsky is outside my top 13 based on his lack of upside and the fact that his skill-set is redundant to our current crop of players. I'd take Poeltl instead of him because the higher ceiling.

How do you have Hezonja in the third tier? How do you know he is not Tier 1 good? 

Have you seen Kaminskys stats this season?

Just bc someone is a jr or sr does not mean a freshman is automatically much better bc they haven't reached their potential yet.

Hezonja could be tier 1 good, but I doubt he gets drafted there.

Yes, I've seen Kaminsky play a lot and I know his stats, but what is that you see that I'm missing? What is his ceiling? He's turning 22 soon and I'm willing to wager his combine numbers will be weak. That's going to cause him to fall in the draft. I think his teammate, Dekker, is the better prospect.

Re: Cs need to be at the 8th pick or better
« Reply #24 on: February 28, 2015, 01:40:24 AM »

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i think it may be too late to get a top 8 pick

we keep winning games and some of them are games we are supposed to lose (injuries to key players)

hopefully a good prospect drops to where we would be picking (10-13 area)

Re: Cs need to be at the 8th pick or better
« Reply #25 on: February 28, 2015, 05:23:44 AM »

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We are about to hit a pretty brutal stretch without Sully which will be a big test. If we can come out of this trip at over .500 then we can be excited about the playoffs.

I think we are more likely to get 3 or 4 wins outta the next 10 games at most as teams start to prepare for the playoffs.

Making the playoffs would be very bitter sweet for me,  but if they do make it all we can do is enjoy it and hope our guys grow ALOT with the experience.
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Re: Cs need to be at the 8th pick or better
« Reply #26 on: February 28, 2015, 08:11:13 AM »

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i think it may be too late to get a top 8 pick

we keep winning games and some of them are games we are supposed to lose (injuries to key players)

hopefully a good prospect drops to where we would be picking (10-13 area)

we have plenty of ammo to try and trade up if theres a player we want available in the 6-10 range.

enjoy the wins.  :)
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Re: Cs need to be at the 8th pick or better
« Reply #27 on: February 28, 2015, 09:22:25 AM »

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Re: Cs need to be at the 8th pick or better
« Reply #28 on: February 28, 2015, 09:40:52 AM »

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I think where this draft actually has a major drop in talent is after 13.

Tier 1
Okafor
Mudiay
Towns

Tier 2
Johnson
Russell
Porzingis (based on on the buzz surrounding him)

Tier 3 (huge tier with wings and bigs and separated accordingly)

Wings-
Hezonja
Oubre
Booker
Winslow

Bigs-
Cauley-Stein
Turner
Looney


Kaminsky is outside my top 13 based on his lack of upside and the fact that his skill-set is redundant to our current crop of players. I'd take Poeltl instead of him because the higher ceiling.

How do you have Hezonja in the third tier? How do you know he is not Tier 1 good? 

Have you seen Kaminskys stats this season?

Just bc someone is a jr or sr does not mean a freshman is automatically much better bc they haven't reached their potential yet.

I don't enjoy individual player highlights because it's not an accurate representation of the player. The game below is how Kaminsky looked defensively when matched up vs Kentucky's NBA level bigs (Randle and Johnson/Cauley-Stein was injured). They attacked him at will and he simply looked overmatched physically. It'll only get worse in the NBA. That's why his upside is limited. His absolute best case scenario is a better version of Hawes.



He finished with 8 pts and 5 reb in 32 minutes, but more importantly watch how they attack him repeatedly. They had no respect for him whatsoever as an interior defender.

From around the 2 min mark to about the 3:30 is an eyeopener.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKptRih8zpc
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Re: Cs need to be at the 8th pick or better
« Reply #29 on: February 28, 2015, 05:30:40 PM »

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No college big is going to look good against Kentucky. They have four potential 1st round bigs in WCS, Towns, Lyles, D.Johnson. I believe their front court average height is bigger than any NBA team.