Simple Raptors Trade Idea: Bass & Prince for Hayes, Fields & a pick

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BOS gets: Fields, Hayes & the worse of TOR's 2016 1st rounders
TOR gets: Prince & Bass

Seems pretty simple to me. Makes sense for both sides. TOR has the worse of the Knicks & Nuggets picks in 2016, either of which is likely to be better than TOR's pick.... but either way the Cs get the lower of the two.

[moiso]

If that's what Ainge can get, I'd do it.

[Celts Fan 508]

I would do it, both are UFA after this season so it would basically be for the pick, Celts could even buy them out to get more playing time for younger players

[Endless Paradise]

Masai seems like way too shrewd a negotiator to leverage a first rounder for expiring peripheral players.  I'd imagine he figures he could target bigger and better fish with that pick.  For example, a Thaddeus Young.

[outflip50]

Not so sure I would mess with chemistry for this deal.

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Masai seems like way too shrewd a negotiator to leverage a first rounder for expiring peripheral players.  I'd imagine he figures he could target bigger and better fish with that pick.  For example, a Thaddeus Young.

I don't see Young as a leading target there. I get that they'd like to land a Garnett or a David West, per Zach Lowe's article yesterday. But getting two plug-and-play professionals for such a low price at positions of need would presumably be attractive if they can't swing a better (more expensive) deal.

[LooseCannon]

A first isn't a low price.  Frankly, if Masai was interested, he should be telling Ainge that the $2.5 million saved in payroll should be enough to make the deal attractive without any picks and Boston should throw in a second.  Giving up a couple of second round picks instead of a first might still be too much from the Raptors' perspective.

[Celts Fan 508]

Masai seems like way too shrewd a negotiator to leverage a first rounder for expiring peripheral players.  I'd imagine he figures he could target bigger and better fish with that pick.  For example, a Thaddeus Young.

Good point, but they are getting two plug and play players for 2 players that aren't nearly as good for their playoff push and giving up only a late 1st and gain no salary commitments past this season with their new players. Prince gives them better defense than they currently have (which is bad) and Bass gives them a player that IMO pairs well with Jonas V. 

[slamtheking]

A first isn't a low price.  Frankly, if Masai was interested, he should be telling Ainge that the $2.5 million saved in payroll should be enough to make the deal attractive without any picks and Boston should throw in a second.  Giving up a couple of second round picks instead of a first might still be too much from the Raptors' perspective.

saving 2.5 mill is definitely not enough of a reason to give them 2 productive rotation players for 2 guys lucky to still be collecting NBA paychecks.  not by a long shot. 

Toronto would have to throw sweetener into the deal - a first would about right.  doesn't have to be for this year - could be for 2017 when we only have the one pick

[Endless Paradise]

Masai seems like way too shrewd a negotiator to leverage a first rounder for expiring peripheral players.  I'd imagine he figures he could target bigger and better fish with that pick.  For example, a Thaddeus Young.

Good point, but they are getting two plug and play players for 2 players that aren't nearly as good for their playoff push and giving up only a late 1st and gain no salary commitments past this season with their new players. Prince gives them better defense than they currently have (which is bad) and Bass gives them a player that IMO pairs well with Jonas V.

The issue is that late first could be used to trade for more significant players (or players with more favorable contract situations); after all, a late first brought Jeff Green to the Grizzlies.

Bass and Prince are two mediocre vets with expiring contracts.  Honestly, getting a second rounder or two for those guys should be considered a good return.

[JohnBoy65]

Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought Prince couldn't be combined with anyone else because he was obtained after a certain date. Am I close on this or way off?

[outflip50]

His restriction lifts the 19th. I don't know if that is the first day he can be traded with others or the last day that he can't be

[LooseCannon]

A first isn't a low price.  Frankly, if Masai was interested, he should be telling Ainge that the $2.5 million saved in payroll should be enough to make the deal attractive without any picks and Boston should throw in a second.  Giving up a couple of second round picks instead of a first might still be too much from the Raptors' perspective.

saving 2.5 mill is definitely not enough of a reason to give them 2 productive rotation players for 2 guys lucky to still be collecting NBA paychecks.  not by a long shot. 

Toronto would have to throw sweetener into the deal - a first would about right.  doesn't have to be for this year - could be for 2017 when we only have the one pick

A first is an overpay.  A couple of seconds, at most, sounds reasonable.

It really comes down to if the Celtics have a use for Bass/Prince this season and have any interest is re-signing either player this summer.  I happen to be perfectly happy with Bass and Prince getting playing time and possibly helping the Celtics reach the playoffs.  Other people might not be and are of the opinion that you should trade the vets for anything you can get.  Saving some money (that you might be able to use to purchase yet another second round pick in the future) might be the most you can get.

If the situation was reversed and the Celtics, as the current second seed in the East, were giving up two useless players and a first for a rental of two decent bench players, I'd be unhappy.

[Boris Badenov]

A first isn't a low price.  Frankly, if Masai was interested, he should be telling Ainge that the $2.5 million saved in payroll should be enough to make the deal attractive without any picks and Boston should throw in a second.  Giving up a couple of second round picks instead of a first might still be too much from the Raptors' perspective.

I agree.

We might be able to wangle something like swap rights between the TOR 1st and the CLE 1st, with TOR conveying a 2017 second rounder to us if we don't exercise the swap.

[jay]

Try to get a protected first. I posted last week that we should try to get James Johnson thrown in, he wasn't playing too much. He's played great in his last 3 games - especially against the Spurs. Now I'm guessing they will keep him.

If the point is to not make the playoffs, get a better draft position, and save a couple bucks, then take back a future 2nd.

If the goal going forward is to start competing, don't make the trade unless you can get a protected first or Johnson.