I'm after ATL right to swap with Brooklyn

[boscel33]

ATL just freed up a roster spot by trading Payne. 

I'm not a capologist by any means, but ATL has around 4.5 Mil to spend.  Could the C's send Prince  or Bass to ATL for the right to grab the Nets pick and what ever player it may take to make the $ work.

Just thinking outside the box.

[Lucky17]

ATL just freed up a roster spot by trading Payne. 

I'm not a capologist by any means, but ATL has around 4.5 Mil to spend.  Could the C's send Prince  or Bass to ATL for the right to grab the Nets pick and what ever player it may take to make the $ work.

Just thinking outside the box.

If you're Atlanta, are you willing to trade what could be a lottery pick for Prince or Bass?

Or would you try to land bigger fish with that bait?

[bdm860]

It's not like Atlanta doesn't know what's going on in the rest of the league.  They know as well as we do where that pick will probably end up.  Worst case, it's the 17th pick in the draft, right now it's sitting at #12 and could even end up in the top 10 (the Nets are one of 9 teams currently lumped in the 18-22 win range), with an outside chance of it landing in the top 3.

What would you think about the 2008-2012 C's trading a likely lottery pick like for current day Bass or Prince?

[manl_lui]

It's not like Atlanta doesn't know what's going on in the rest of the league.  They know as well as we do where that pick will probably end up.  Worst case, it's the 17th pick in the draft, right now it's sitting at #12 and could even end up in the top 10 (the Nets are one of 9 teams currently lumped in the 18-22 win range), with an outside chance of it landing in the top 3.

What would you think about the 2008-2012 C's trading a likely lottery pick like for current day Bass or Prince?

depends if ATL really think they have a legit shot at winning a title this year, if they do, they absolutely want to go all out now and try to get it done this season by bringing vets like Bass and Prince in to help their cause.

[Boris Badenov]

That pick currently projects to be 12th. That's a high-value first-round pick.

As a benchmark Mo Williams was just trade for a 2019 second rounder.

Maybe the Clips pick, the Philly second rounder and Bass would be appealing to ATL.

Or, the Clips pick and Kelly Olynyk?

[Endless Paradise]

It's not like Atlanta doesn't know what's going on in the rest of the league.  They know as well as we do where that pick will probably end up.  Worst case, it's the 17th pick in the draft, right now it's sitting at #12 and could even end up in the top 10 (the Nets are one of 9 teams currently lumped in the 18-22 win range), with an outside chance of it landing in the top 3.

What would you think about the 2008-2012 C's trading a likely lottery pick like for current day Bass or Prince?

depends if ATL really think they have a legit shot at winning a title this year, if they do, they absolutely want to go all out now and try to get it done this season by bringing vets like Bass and Prince in to help their cause.

They can do that without wildly overpaying for mediocre (at best) veterans with expiring contracts.

[saltlover]

Danny Ferry is no dummy.  If he trades that Brooklyn pick it will be for a rotation player on a rookie contract.  The absolute best you could hope for with Bass is the pick they just got from Minny, which is pretty protected.  Even that would be unlikely.

But since I'm an amateur capologist, either of the following two deals would work for Bass:

Bass for Elton Brand + draft compensation (although Brand has veto rights, and may very well be willing to exercise them).
Bass for Jenkins and Muscala + draft compensation.

Both of those trades send back expiring/non-guaranteed contracts due to players at the end of the bench, and so make sense from a roster management perspective for both teams.  It is very hard to fit Prince into the Hawks space -- those trades above each work with no more than about $200k room for the Hawks, and Prince makes $800k more than Bass.

Ad an aside, Woj speculated on Twitter that the space created by the Payne trade would be used on either Ray Allen or Gary Neal.  I find that a bit of jumping to conclusions.  The Hawks still have their room exception to offer to a free agent, and as John Jenkins is a 3-point specialist who doesn't get to play and is an expiring deal, he would be a natural candidate to be waived in order to make room for a 3-point specialist who would get to play.  Payne was moved to create more cap room to acquire a bigger piece.  Whether that bigger piece is successfully acquired is another matter, but he wasn't moved to make room for Ray Allen.

[Endless Paradise]

Atlanta's reportedly very cap-conscious, so they might be looking to avoid paying a player not to play for them, no matter how small the contract.

[Diggles]

It's not like Atlanta doesn't know what's going on in the rest of the league.  They know as well as we do where that pick will probably end up.  Worst case, it's the 17th pick in the draft, right now it's sitting at #12 and could even end up in the top 10 (the Nets are one of 9 teams currently lumped in the 18-22 win range), with an outside chance of it landing in the top 3.

What would you think about the 2008-2012 C's trading a likely lottery pick like for current day Bass or Prince?

That is what we hope.  The window for them is THIS YEAR!  This move will not hurt them.   A vet like Prince, Bass, Thornton or even Wallace can not hurt there playoff run vs Chicago or Cavs.   
depends if ATL really think they have a legit shot at winning a title this year, if they do, they absolutely want to go all out now and try to get it done this season by bringing vets like Bass and Prince in to help their cause.

[saltlover]

Atlanta's reportedly very cap-conscious, so they might be looking to avoid paying a player not to play for them, no matter how small the contract.

They're not that cap conscious.  They've already paid Payne about $1 million of the $1.8 million he's owed.  I'm sure Ferry's budget isn't as high as some teams', but he wasn't traded to save them $800k of payroll for the next three months, unless they're having severe cash flow problems.

[JBcat]

That pick currently projects to be 12th. That's a high-value first-round pick.

As a benchmark Mo Williams was just trade for a 2019 second rounder.

Maybe the Clips pick, the Philly second rounder and Bass would be appealing to ATL.

Or, the Clips pick and Kelly Olynyk?

Not entirely true with that trade.  Gary Neal was sent to the Wolves and they are comparable players numbers wise.  Williams averages about 12 PPG to Neal's 9 who was on a better team(and a proven playoff rotation player from his Spurs days).  Troy Daniels was a thrown in to the Hornets, which is my guess mostly why a second round pick was thrown in for the Wolves.

[Depalma2002]

It's not like Atlanta doesn't know what's going on in the rest of the league.  They know as well as we do where that pick will probably end up.  Worst case, it's the 17th pick in the draft, right now it's sitting at #12 and could even end up in the top 10 (the Nets are one of 9 teams currently lumped in the 18-22 win range), with an outside chance of it landing in the top 3.

What would you think about the 2008-2012 C's trading a likely lottery pick like for current day Bass or Prince?

depends if ATL really think they have a legit shot at winning a title this year, if they do, they absolutely want to go all out now and try to get it done this season by bringing vets like Bass and Prince in to help their cause.

If they wanted to go all-in on this season and trade the pick, it still doesn't explain why they would use it on a player like Bass and Prince. Like the earlier poster said, with that type of bait you can catch a much bigger fish. If they are giving up that quality of a pick, they need to get a guy that is almost guaranteed to get them over the top.

This is their most valuable pick and it's not like it is their only asset to move if they do want to pick up a vet at the deadline. They can move and protect their own future picks or they can move the protected pick they just got from Minnesota.

You can get a Bass or a Prince type vet for a second rounder (like Charlotte just paid for Mo Williams).

[boscel33]

The reasoning for my thought is, they could very well win it all this year.  Are they a player or two away?  I don't know because I haven't studied their roster.  If they are, though, maybe they would make some sort of deal that would would allow for the swap.  I'm just throwing stuff against the wall to see what might stick.

[saltlover]

That pick currently projects to be 12th. That's a high-value first-round pick.

As a benchmark Mo Williams was just trade for a 2019 second rounder.

Maybe the Clips pick, the Philly second rounder and Bass would be appealing to ATL.

Or, the Clips pick and Kelly Olynyk?

Not entirely true with that trade.  Gary Neal was sent to the Wolves and they are comparable players numbers wise.  Williams averages about 12 PPG to Neal's 9 who was on a better team(and a proven playoff rotation player from his Spurs days).  Troy Daniels was a thrown in to the Hornets, which is my guess mostly why a second round pick was thrown in for the Wolves.

It's entirely true with that trade.  It is widely expected Neal will be released.  The Hornets gave up a 2019 second and an expiring contract who will be released for Williams and Daniels.  The primary target of that trade was Williams, since he can play some point while Walker is out, unlike Neal, who can't.

[BraxVitto]

ATL just freed up a roster spot by trading Payne. 

I'm not a capologist by any means, but ATL has around 4.5 Mil to spend.  Could the C's send Prince  or Bass to ATL for the right to grab the Nets pick and what ever player it may take to make the $ work.

Just thinking outside the box.

If you're Atlanta, are you willing to trade what could be a lottery pick for Prince or Bass?

Or would you try to land bigger fish with that bait?

Well a bass is a pretty decent sized fish....

All puns aside, I have to think that unless we were include something else more than just Prince or Bass, maybe a second rounder or two.