Justise Winslow - The 2015 Draft's Lottery Consolation Prize

[Smartacus]

There has been a trend in recent drafts that have seen athletic wings far exceed their daft positions. Paul George and Kawaii Leonard are the prominent examples, but even players like Chandler Parsons, KJ Mcdaniels, Andre Roberson have provided the kind of value for where they were picked that can put a team over the top. The league has arguably stronger at the wing than its ever been and with rising stars like Andrew Wiggins, Lance Stevenson(2014 Version), and Gordon Haywood joining the established powers like Lebron, Durant, and Rudy Gay. It's arguably more important than ever to have players that can compete the league's best on the wing.

Enter Justise Winslow...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03pEeZT_KLM

The majority of attention put to a wing in this draft has fallen on Stanley Johnson and Rightfully so. at 6'7 245 Johnson has the ideal body, mindset and skillset for a prototypical NBA Caliber wing. He leads one of the best team's in the nation in scoring and is doing so in a way that should translate to the next level. These qualities however are likely to score him out of our picking range however. Luckily overlooked in Johnson's shadow however, is a 6-foot-6, 225 pounds monster devoted to improving his already strong skillset.

espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/12247953/duke-blue-devils-justise-winslow-unique-blend-talent-genes-work-ethic

This year "Winslow, who averages 10.7 points and 4.5 rebounds per game, is making 46.5 percent of his 2-point shots, and he's shooting 37.3 percent from 3-point range."

Here is a player that has strong pedigree, being the son of Rickie Winslow a member of Phi Slamma Jamma as a freshman on Houston's 1984 Final Four team, as well as a strong work ethic, much like Johnson, would routinely wake up at 5:30 to improve his game before school every day.

On top of the intangibles Winslow plays within himself, not dominating the ball but also not being known to be unselfish to a fault. According to Coach K...

"He's efficient, he doesn't need the ball long," Krzyzewski said. "Justise is a really easy guy to play with because the ball doesn't die in his hands. Usually, when he has it, he has it for a short period and something good happens with him."

He's not getting the Jeff Green "needs to be more aggressive" moniker because, arguably unlike Green, he effects the game in many other ways beyond his scoring. Based on the quote Winslow seems like the ideal kind of player for Brad Stevens' system.

Stanley Johnson is still the prize of the class from the wing, but if our pick falls in the 7-12 range we could do far worse than taking a player like Justise Winslow.

Assuming we have have the 7-12th pick...
A. Would you be ok with us drafting a wing over a center?
B. Would Jusitise Winslow be that wing over someone like Hezonja?
C. Would Winslow be enough of a prize to use a high pick on?

[BornReady]

i have johnson as first followed by oubre, hezonja then winslow for wings

he excels coming off screens and is a great defender and solid passer

but he needs to polish his offensive skills cuz he seems pretty mechanical when creating his own shot and doesnt react to what the defense gives him
he is a bit small for a SF at the NBA level and would project better as a SG 

right now for some reason he is struggling in games 

He would probably go between 10-18

[Nerf DPOY]

I think Winslow has a pretty solid all around game, but to address question A. about taking a wing over a center: Besides the old adage of taking BPA, we have the freedom to do this even if Smart and Young are considered to be future starters for us. Smart looks as though he's plenty capable of playing either guard spot, likewise for Young playing either wing position. This allows them to draft a 1-2-or 3 and just shift Smart and Young to the other two spots.

[BornReady]

There has been a trend in recent drafts that have seen athletic wings, far exceed their daft positions. Paul George and Kawaii Leonard are the prominent examples, but even players like Chandler Parsons, KJ Mcdaniels, Andre Roberson have provided the kind of value for where they were picked that can put a team over the top. The league has arguably stronger at the wing than its ever been and with rising stars like Andrew Wiggins, Lance Stevenson(2014 Version), and Gordon Haywood joining the established powers like Lebron, Durant, and Rudy Gay. It's arguably more important than ever to have players that can compete the league's best on the wing.

Enter Justise Winslow...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03pEeZT_KLM

The majority of attention put to a wing in this draft has fallen on Stanley Johnson and Rightfully so. at 6'7 245 Johnson has the ideal body, mindset and skillset for a prototypical NBA Caliber wing. He leads one of the best team's in the nation in scoring and is doing so in a way that should translate to the next level. These qualities however are likely to score him out of our picking range however. Luckily overlooked in Johnson's shadow however, is a 6-foot-6, 225 pounds monster devoted to improving his already strong skillset.

espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/12247953/duke-blue-devils-justise-winslow-unique-blend-talent-genes-work-ethic

This year "Winslow, who averages 10.7 points and 4.5 rebounds per game, is making 46.5 percent of his 2-point shots, and he's shooting 37.3 percent from 3-point range."

Here is a player that has strong pedigree, being the son of Rickie Winslow a member of Phi Slamma Jamma as a freshman on Houston's 1984 Final Four team, as well as a strong work ethic, much like Johnson, would routinely wake up at 5:30 to improve his game before school every day.

On top of the intangibles Winslow plays within himself, not dominating the ball but also not being known to be unselfish to a fault. According to Coach K...

"He's efficient, he doesn't need the ball long," Krzyzewski said. "Justise is a really easy guy to play with because the ball doesn't die in his hands. Usually, when he has it, he has it for a short period and something good happens with him."

He's not getting the Jeff Green "needs to be more aggressive" moniker because, arguably unlike Green, he effects the game in many other ways beyond his scoring. Based on the quote Winslow seems like the ideal kind of player for Brad Stevens' system.

Stanley Johnson is still the prize of the class from the wing, but if our pick falls in the 7-12 range we could do far worse than taking a player like Justise Winslow.

Assuming we have have the 7-12th pick...
A. Would you be ok with us drafting a wing over a center?
B. Would Jusitise Winslow be that wing over someone like Hezonja?
C. Would Winslow be enough of a prize to use a high pick on?

i dont think there  is much depth at the wing position as you say (i think PG and PF have much more depth in them in todays game)

but agree that it is as important as ever and that athletic wings far exceed their expectations at the NBA level

A. id be ok drafting a wing over a C depending on the wing and which C is available
if by some divine miracle okafor, towns or even porzingis are available at the 7-12th pick than id be mad
but if its just willie cauley stein and kaminsky id definitely draft a wing assuming they are the best player available


C. id dont think he would be much of a prize to use a high pick on but he is a solid player at the NBA level. Also considering what a crappy season for the C's this has been it would be really disappointing for us not to get a prospect that has a higher ceiling.

outside of okafor, towns, mudiay, russell, johnson, turner, oubre, hezonja and porzingis; i dont think any other players have a star ceiling but there are some solid starter and bench players such as trey lyles, winslow and WCS

[BornReady]

I think Winslow has a pretty solid all around game, but to address question A. about taking a wing over a center: Besides the old adage of taking BPA, we have the freedom to do this even if Smart and Young are considered to be future starters for us. Smart looks as though he's plenty capable of playing either guard spot, likewise for Young playing either wing position. This allows them to draft a 1-2-or 3 and just shift Smart and Young to the other two spots.

i agree with BPA
with smart he could probably play either the 1 or 2 but i like him at the 1 cuz then he would have a slight advantage with his height and length)

[hwangjini_1]

There has been a trend in recent drafts that have seen athletic wings, far exceed their daft positions. Paul George and Kawaii Leonard are the prominent examples, but even players like Chandler Parsons, KJ Mcdaniels, Andre Roberson have provided the kind of value for where they were picked that can put a team over the top. The league has arguably stronger at the wing than its ever been and with rising stars like Andrew Wiggins, Lance Stevenson(2014 Version), and Gordon Haywood joining the established powers like Lebron, Durant, and Rudy Gay. It's arguably more important than ever to have players that can compete the league's best on the wing.

Enter Justise Winslow...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03pEeZT_KLM

The majority of attention put to a wing in this draft has fallen on Stanley Johnson and Rightfully so. at 6'7 245 Johnson has the ideal body, mindset and skillset for a prototypical NBA Caliber wing. He leads one of the best team's in the nation in scoring and is doing so in a way that should translate to the next level. These qualities however are likely to score him out of our picking range however. Luckily overlooked in Johnson's shadow however, is a 6-foot-6, 225 pounds monster devoted to improving his already strong skillset.

espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/12247953/duke-blue-devils-justise-winslow-unique-blend-talent-genes-work-ethic

This year "Winslow, who averages 10.7 points and 4.5 rebounds per game, is making 46.5 percent of his 2-point shots, and he's shooting 37.3 percent from 3-point range."

Here is a player that has strong pedigree, being the son of Rickie Winslow a member of Phi Slamma Jamma as a freshman on Houston's 1984 Final Four team, as well as a strong work ethic, much like Johnson, would routinely wake up at 5:30 to improve his game before school every day.

On top of the intangibles Winslow plays within himself, not dominating the ball but also not being known to be unselfish to a fault. According to Coach K...

"He's efficient, he doesn't need the ball long," Krzyzewski said. "Justise is a really easy guy to play with because the ball doesn't die in his hands. Usually, when he has it, he has it for a short period and something good happens with him."

He's not getting the Jeff Green "needs to be more aggressive" moniker because, arguably unlike Green, he effects the game in many other ways beyond his scoring. Based on the quote Winslow seems like the ideal kind of player for Brad Stevens' system.

Stanley Johnson is still the prize of the class from the wing, but if our pick falls in the 7-12 range we could do far worse than taking a player like Justise Winslow.

Assuming we have have the 7-12th pick...
A. Would you be ok with us drafting a wing over a center?
B. Would Jusitise Winslow be that wing over someone like Hezonja?
C. Would Winslow be enough of a prize to use a high pick on?

A. Sure
B. yes
C. Depends on how high.


 

[Csfan1984]

A. No

B. Winslow can be more of SG while most other good wings are almost strictly SFs in that draft range which could be a plus or negative for him on draft night. He is kind of this years James Young.

C. I would absolutely be disappointed in Cs if it was a high pick used say 14 or better.

[KingofDaPlayazBall]

I really like him.  I think he could eventually develop into a elite roll player in the likes of Jimmy Butler or Kawhi Leonard.  Despite only being a average shooter right now, his shooting form and stroke looks extremely good for someone who is a mainly considered a athletic defender.  He also might be the best energy player in the draft, his hustle might be on par with someone like Smart.

Winslow is measure 6'6 without shoes so his nba listed height might be 6'8, why do people think his a shooting guard?

[Smartacus]

Winslow just went for 15-11-2-1-1 against Virginia the number 2 team in the country. 0-4 from deep though.

To give my answers to the questions...


1. I'd be OK with a wing, don't really think any of the Centers after Okafor/Towns except for maybe Dakari Johnson so an early wing prospect would be nice.

2. I'd take Winslow over any wing prospect not named Stanley Johnson.

3. I'd say so, just one of those gut feelings where we could look back and wonder how he fell out of the top 5 of the draft.
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Floor Demare Carroll
Ceiling Jimmy Butler

Honestly not too big a discrepancy between the two. Think he's just going to be a strong NBA starter with not much bust potential.

[Smartacus]

There has been a trend in recent drafts that have seen athletic wings, far exceed their daft positions. Paul George and Kawaii Leonard are the prominent examples, but even players like Chandler Parsons, KJ Mcdaniels, Andre Roberson have provided the kind of value for where they were picked that can put a team over the top. The league has arguably stronger at the wing than its ever been and with rising stars like Andrew Wiggins, Lance Stevenson(2014 Version), and Gordon Haywood joining the established powers like Lebron, Durant, and Rudy Gay. It's arguably more important than ever to have players that can compete the league's best on the wing.

Enter Justise Winslow...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03pEeZT_KLM

The majority of attention put to a wing in this draft has fallen on Stanley Johnson and Rightfully so. at 6'7 245 Johnson has the ideal body, mindset and skillset for a prototypical NBA Caliber wing. He leads one of the best team's in the nation in scoring and is doing so in a way that should translate to the next level. These qualities however are likely to score him out of our picking range however. Luckily overlooked in Johnson's shadow however, is a 6-foot-6, 225 pounds monster devoted to improving his already strong skillset.

espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/12247953/duke-blue-devils-justise-winslow-unique-blend-talent-genes-work-ethic

This year "Winslow, who averages 10.7 points and 4.5 rebounds per game, is making 46.5 percent of his 2-point shots, and he's shooting 37.3 percent from 3-point range."

Here is a player that has strong pedigree, being the son of Rickie Winslow a member of Phi Slamma Jamma as a freshman on Houston's 1984 Final Four team, as well as a strong work ethic, much like Johnson, would routinely wake up at 5:30 to improve his game before school every day.

On top of the intangibles Winslow plays within himself, not dominating the ball but also not being known to be unselfish to a fault. According to Coach K...

"He's efficient, he doesn't need the ball long," Krzyzewski said. "Justise is a really easy guy to play with because the ball doesn't die in his hands. Usually, when he has it, he has it for a short period and something good happens with him."

He's not getting the Jeff Green "needs to be more aggressive" moniker because, arguably unlike Green, he effects the game in many other ways beyond his scoring. Based on the quote Winslow seems like the ideal kind of player for Brad Stevens' system.

Stanley Johnson is still the prize of the class from the wing, but if our pick falls in the 7-12 range we could do far worse than taking a player like Justise Winslow.

Assuming we have have the 7-12th pick...
A. Would you be ok with us drafting a wing over a center?
B. Would Jusitise Winslow be that wing over someone like Hezonja?
C. Would Winslow be enough of a prize to use a high pick on?

A. Sure
B. yes
C. Depends on how high.


 

Hmmm how about pick...
6?
7?
8?
9?
....14 as Csfan1984 suggested?


 

[Yoki_IsTheName]

There's always a ton of value with athletic guys.

It's easy to mold an ultra athletic player into a great defender, as obviously he has the physical tools to do so. The mental part will be the other thing. From what I'm reading, he does have the right mindset and the work ethic to make himself a great player.

I say keep dropping, or keep overlooking. If he falls to us, I'd be ecstatic to get him. As with Marcus Smart, a kid with great athleticism and work ethic, at worst, at absolute worst, he'll be a great contributor on the defensive end. At best, he could be a great player waiting to happen.

[celticmania]

I want a top 3 pick: Either Emmaunel Mudiay or D'angelo Russell

and trade up 25th pick and something elso for mid first (16-19) either:

1. Kevon Looney
2. Trey Lyles
3. Justise Winslow
4. Christian Wood
5. Egemen Guven

[CFAN38]

I like Winslow but do not want to see the Celtics take him in the lottery. His skill set is easily replicated by players latter in the draft. Hillis-Jefferson is as good if not a better athlete and a superior defender, J Anderson is a better shooter and comparable athlete just not as strong off the dribble. Both of those players are older R-H-J 1 year Anderson 3 yrs but projected to go early 20s. 

[Evantime34]

I like Winslow but do not want to see the Celtics take him in the lottery. His skill set is easily replicated by players latter in the draft. Hillis-Jefferson is as good if not a better athlete and a superior defender, J Anderson is a better shooter and comparable athlete just not as strong off the dribble. Both of those players are older R-H-J 1 year Anderson 3 yrs but projected to go early 20s.

Agreed.

I really like Winslow, but it has become clear that the C's need scoring and rim protection. While Winslow is a good player, he doesn't really provide either of those things.

If Winslow looks like he is going to be the best player available when we pick we must do everything we can to trade up.

Here are the players I would take before him (I have a bias against foreign players but could be convinced about adding Porzingis and Hezonja)

Okafor, Towns, Russell, Mudiay, Johnson, WCS, Oubre, Turner, Looney, Booker.

[vjcsmoke]

I would not take Winslow over Cauley-Stein.  But if all the good bigs are gone and he's the BPA, then ok I'm okay with that, just not very excited about it. 

I'd rather move up and expend assets to get a leading type of player like Stanley Johnson, who I really, really want badly for the Celtics.  Johnson and Smart are built from the same mold.  Together they would really dominate the game defensively.  And SJ has the athleticism and skill to score at the next level as well imo.