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Re: what is up with Sullinger? stop shooting the 3
« Reply #30 on: January 31, 2015, 09:03:05 AM »

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This season Sully has improved his 3 point percentage and has started to drive more to the hoop.

His shooting percentage is almost within 2 percentage points of last year's abysmal 28% now.  Earlier in the year, it looked like it had improved but over time, his shot is almost the same as last year from downtown.

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he plays the same role as Boris Diaw but doesn't have the same skill set as Diaw

Agree, Diaw, plays defense too, and is generally not the focal point of the other team's offense.

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To fulfil that similar role that Diaw has with the Spurs, Sully has to become a better playmaker when he beats his man off the dribble and help comes
   
He isn't a bad passer but I would not hold my breath about him beating people off the dribble.   Sully is slow.  Very slow, other teams often let him shoot, and play off of him because him taking shots is good for the other team.

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It's been worst when the game is winding down but when the C's need a basket through the game they do not have that player. I truly believe that could be Sully in the post.

Clutch Statistics indicate otherwise.

http://www.82games.com/1415/14BOS15.HTM

He is so bad at defense that he is liability on offense.   In close shots, not in the clutch almost 1 out of 10 of his close shots get blocked and 8% of inside shots overall get blocked.    Hence, only takes them 1/3 of the time.    I think this goes back to lack of athletic ability to some degree and being  6'7" and some change without shoes.   

I think we 'd be best served to get him inside, and let him rebound, which he does well.  Let some other guy shoot so we have a second change opportunity here and there.

CBS schemes, I think could work with the right personnel but right now we do not have the shooters to make it work.  At Butler he has three players who could all shoot and spread the floor Mack, Howard and, Hayward.  We kind of lack shooters or the ones we have are streaky in nature.  Butler played smart team basketball and team defense, they had decent athletes across the board, but not great ones.   We have too many poor athletes.   I would think that CBS is a bright enough guy to change his schemes to his talent.   However, I am in the camp that thinks we lack talent and need to add it.

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He was wide open, let him shoot it.
He's won games for us with his 3 point shooting.

He has lost far more for us trying to play the hero more than he has won.  He was 2 for 10 or worse in the second half, one would think he would realize that and maybe let someone else shoot them and get inside and do something he does passably well like rebound.   But no, he shot us into oblivion.

That doesn't even count for his horrible defense, that is a complete liability and career night almost every night for opposing bigs.  He loses a lot of games every time he steps on the floor.

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And also, we are tanking having Bass out there over Zeller.
Teams continue to destroy us in the pick and roll.

I think that we  have won recently, a higher percentage of games, without  Zeller in the starting lineup.

What one really has to wonder is why Bass who was doing superb in this game was not in there at the end?    Why Slug boy was in there?   The answer has to be in the tank.

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Sully could shoot the C's into a high lottery pick .....bombing from long range ......that is one tanking strategy
   

Hopefully, it is a new PF or C and he is gone, your never going to be able to base a team around a guy like this bloke.  I'd package him with a pick and move him.   His conditioning and weight look worse as the season goes on.   But I doubt we could give him away.

It's rather moot, add Dwight and I think they would have won by 15 points or more as he would have had a career night against Sully.

Re: what is up with Sullinger? stop shooting the 3
« Reply #31 on: January 31, 2015, 09:53:20 AM »

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I said this a week ago or so, Sully is the new Toine with less skills. He could be a bull down low but he is down there less and less. In his rookie year he was an offensive rebounding machine, now that he plays 30' from the hoop I'm sure those numbers are plummeting.

I'm to lazy (feel like Sully lol) someone want to look up his offensive rebounding stats for the past 3 years?
If he could get in better shape, he would have a pretty good face up game. He has a nice touch, he's a good passer and can handle the ball. I think he'll end up being a much better face up player then a post player.

I also think the badly missed threes are from fatigue. He just looks out of shape. Even more so after that road trip. Right now, he's just a big waste of talent.
He does look winded. His percentage I saw is less later in games. I know he said he dedicated himself to get in better shape. Hopefully he will hook up with Jerry Rice and Train this off season.
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Re: what is up with Sullinger? stop shooting the 3
« Reply #32 on: January 31, 2015, 10:14:05 AM »

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There are good 3's and bad 3's.
When you take a 3  15-16 seconds into the possession, that's a bad 3.
The 3's last night were bad. 

Sully should start a possession inside out, not outside and maybe inside. That would entail running the floor hard off opposing teams misses.

Re: what is up with Sullinger? stop shooting the 3
« Reply #33 on: January 31, 2015, 10:26:34 AM »

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I have horrific memories of AW(Antoine Walker) 3pt shooting eternal green light.  Even lead the league in 3pt attempts at least once (and this is when Reggie Miller and Ray Allen were at there best and launching 3s over and over). 

Every time I see Sully lunching a 3, brings back AW memories.  ::)

Re: what is up with Sullinger? stop shooting the 3
« Reply #34 on: January 31, 2015, 10:34:10 AM »

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Sullinger reminds me alot of Kyrie Irving...In the fourth quarter, both of these guys play hero ball to the max...

Re: what is up with Sullinger? stop shooting the 3
« Reply #35 on: January 31, 2015, 10:36:23 AM »

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I have horrific memories of AW(Antoine Walker) 3pt shooting eternal green light.  Even lead the league in 3pt attempts at least once (and this is when Reggie Miller and Ray Allen were at there best and launching 3s over and over). 

Every time I see Sully lunching a 3, brings back AW memories.  ::)

Before he can be compared to Toine he'd need to work on the essentials a bit:
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Re: what is up with Sullinger? stop shooting the 3
« Reply #36 on: January 31, 2015, 10:38:54 AM »

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I said this a week ago or so, Sully is the new Toine with less skills. He could be a bull down low but he is down there less and less. In his rookie year he was an offensive rebounding machine, now that he plays 30' from the hoop I'm sure those numbers are plummeting.

I'm to lazy (feel like Sully lol) someone want to look up his offensive rebounding stats for the past 3 years?
If he could get in better shape, he would have a pretty good face up game. He has a nice touch, he's a good passer and can handle the ball. I think he'll end up being a much better face up player then a post player.

I also think the badly missed threes are from fatigue. He just looks out of shape. Even more so after that road trip. Right now, he's just a big waste of talent.

I think your last sentence is a bit of an exaggeration, but the rest of your sentiment is pretty accurate.
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Re: what is up with Sullinger? stop shooting the 3
« Reply #37 on: January 31, 2015, 10:46:22 AM »

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I have horrific memories of AW(Antoine Walker) 3pt shooting eternal green light.  Even lead the league in 3pt attempts at least once (and this is when Reggie Miller and Ray Allen were at there best and launching 3s over and over). 

Every time I see Sully lunching a 3, brings back AW memories.  ::)

Before he can be compared to Toine he'd need to work on the essentials a bit:


We need more Kevin McHale than AW on Sully's game.

Re: what is up with Sullinger? stop shooting the 3
« Reply #38 on: January 31, 2015, 12:20:54 PM »

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I have horrific memories of AW(Antoine Walker) 3pt shooting eternal green light.  Even lead the league in 3pt attempts at least once (and this is when Reggie Miller and Ray Allen were at there best and launching 3s over and over). 

Every time I see Sully lunching a 3, brings back AW memories.  ::)

Before he can be compared to Toine he'd need to work on the essentials a bit:


We need more Kevin McHale than AW on Sully's game.

Although he started to enjoy the 3 a bit too towards the end of his career, it was definitely never a part of his game.  Then again by today's standards Bird would be an infrequent 3 shooter.  If Sully becomes 1/10 the low post player that McHale was we'd be fortunate.  McHale was one of a kind.
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Re: what is up with Sullinger? stop shooting the 3
« Reply #39 on: February 01, 2015, 01:03:46 PM »

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Dude was late to shoot around.....not good for a young learner.

Re: what is up with Sullinger? stop shooting the 3
« Reply #40 on: February 12, 2015, 07:39:36 AM »

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Very nice game by Sully yesterday. I was scared he was going to shoot the three on that late possession but instead drove to the basket for the bucket.  Finally


Re: what is up with Sullinger? stop shooting the 3
« Reply #41 on: February 12, 2015, 10:29:55 AM »

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yeah for a change he didnt take the 3 -> we won the game against the hawks

I was really marveled about how he was resisting the urge to put up one of his desperation 3s with only 1:20 left to play - instead he did the right thing taking the ball to the rim

so not everything is lost with Sully

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« Reply #42 on: February 12, 2015, 11:33:28 AM »

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yeah for a change he didnt take the 3 -> we won the game against the hawks

I was really marveled about how he was resisting the urge to put up one of his desperation 3s with only 1:20 left to play - instead he did the right thing taking the ball to the rim

so not everything is lost with Sully

Yeah i think so. I like it how sully can handle the ball with his right or left hand also. Floater looked good. Soft touch

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« Reply #43 on: February 12, 2015, 12:12:20 PM »

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It is not a strength of his, it is not something he shows great capacity to do as well.   If he wants to get better shoot 500 a day each day of the offseason.   However, that should only be the tip of the iceberg, he needs to lose weight, add strength and get toned and conditioned.  If all he does is shoot threes this summer, we will be in a bad way.

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« Reply #44 on: February 12, 2015, 12:31:47 PM »

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Sully got monster game .....when plays with in 12 feet of the rim. 

Celtics give up too many second chance rebounds and points with him standing outside the three ....

Just don 't like him shooting three ......waste of what he really does well.

KO......is more of a true three point big .   I can see develop his game out there .....it fits his style of small man ball