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Re: Embiid for our own 2015 pick?
« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2015, 04:10:42 PM »

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A trade like that wouldn't happen until after the lottery is drawn and the draft order is set.

That's why it's hypothetical. It depends where the Celtics and the Sixers land.

The way OP phrased it, it sounds like an idea for a trade before the deadline.
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Re: Embiid for our own 2015 pick?
« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2015, 04:40:15 PM »

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Healthy Embiid is probably a better prospect than every player in this draft (including Okafor).


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« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2015, 04:50:23 PM »

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Healthy Embiid is probably a better prospect than every player in this draft (including Okafor).


LB you crack me up man.

It's true though. A healthy Embiid is a better prospect than Jahil and Karl Towns. To put it this way If Embiid stayed an extra year and played well, than I can easily see him taken number one due to his defensive and offensive potential.

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« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2015, 05:55:06 PM »

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Re: Embiid for our own 2015 pick?
« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2015, 06:14:28 PM »

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Healthy Embiid is probably a better prospect than every player in this draft (including Okafor).


LB you crack me up man.

It's true though. A healthy Embiid is a better prospect than Jahil and Karl Towns. To put it this way If Embiid stayed an extra year and played well, than I can easily see him taken number one due to his defensive and offensive potential.

It's definitely true. The only problem is the condition of health, which just so happens to be the hardest part.

Re: Embiid for our own 2015 pick?
« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2015, 06:20:52 PM »

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Healthy Embiid is probably a better prospect than every player in this draft (including Okafor).


LB you crack me up man.

It's true though. A healthy Embiid is a better prospect than Jahil and Karl Towns. To put it this way If Embiid stayed an extra year and played well, than I can easily see him taken number one due to his defensive and offensive potential.

It's definitely true. The only problem is the condition of health, which just so happens to be the hardest part.

Embiid had one half season of elite college play. He definitely has some amazing raw skills, but who is to say he wouldn't have his stock go down if he had stayed in this year and played against more elite centers? How much did playing with an elite talent like wiggins help him out on both offense and defense?

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« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2015, 06:54:01 PM »

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Re: Embiid for our own 2015 pick?
« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2015, 07:11:57 PM »

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We all knew he was going to be out for the year so I don't know why anybody's opinion of him would have changed. If he was going to be the next Hakeem in June, then there is no reason to believe that he still isn't going to. Unless we get the #1 pick, it seems like a pretty easy decision.

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« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2015, 07:24:38 PM »

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Healthy Embiid is probably a better prospect than every player in this draft (including Okafor).


LB you crack me up man.

It's true though. A healthy Embiid is a better prospect than Jahil and Karl Towns. To put it this way If Embiid stayed an extra year and played well, than I can easily see him taken number one due to his defensive and offensive potential.

It's definitely true. The only problem is the condition of health, which just so happens to be the hardest part.

Embiid had one half season of elite college play. He definitely has some amazing raw skills, but who is to say he wouldn't have his stock go down if he had stayed in this year and played against more elite centers? How much did playing with an elite talent like wiggins help him out on both offense and defense?
Wiggins didn't play at an elite level in college and the Kansas guards were pretty mediocre.  Embiid made that Kansas team a contender.  Without him, they couldn't even make the sweet 16.  Embiid definitely has raw skills but he developed very quickly in a half season.  Going from an unknown to the probable #1 pick before his injuries.  If he'd returned to college, everyone else would have been fighting for #2.

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« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2015, 07:59:43 PM »

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We all knew he was going to be out for the year so I don't know why anybody's opinion of him would have changed. If he was going to be the next Hakeem in June, then there is no reason to believe that he still isn't going to. Unless we get the #1 pick, it seems like a pretty easy decision.
i believe the point on health is referring to a fear that embiid winds up closer to the next sam bowie or oden than to the next hakeem.
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« Reply #25 on: January 20, 2015, 08:26:08 PM »

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Yeah, I would.

Worth the risk.

Like others have mentioned, even with the conditioning and injury risks, Embiid has more potential than anyone we'd pick up with our draft pick.

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« Reply #26 on: January 20, 2015, 08:30:38 PM »

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We all knew he was going to be out for the year so I don't know why anybody's opinion of him would have changed. If he was going to be the next Hakeem in June, then there is no reason to believe that he still isn't going to. Unless we get the #1 pick, it seems like a pretty easy decision.
i believe the point on health is referring to a fear that embiid winds up closer to the next sam bowie or oden than to the next hakeem.

True, and this is not to say that people didn't have their doubts before the draft - many thought he would drop to the Cs at number six. I guess what I should have said is everybody who believed in Embiid before the draft should still have the exact opinion of him. Other than Okafor, their don't seem to be any definite cornerstones in this draft and if Ainge was going to take Embiid last June, then he shouldn't have any problem trading a, say, #5 pick for him.

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« Reply #27 on: January 20, 2015, 08:39:49 PM »

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Don't we already have an overweight big? No thanks. Rather take a chance on Towns or WCS with the pick
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Re: Embiid for our own 2015 pick?
« Reply #28 on: January 20, 2015, 09:30:48 PM »

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1,000 times this. Embiid has great potential but he's as raw as they come. He had 1/2 of one good college season. That's it. Ok, that's enough to take a risk on him.

But add in the injuries and I'm running scared. Back and feet injuries have derailed many NBA careers and to see this guy have two of them in a year? That's either horribly bad luck or the start of a very unfortunate pattern. Is this guy the next Greg Oden? I don't make that move unless two things happen:

1. I have every team doctor in the world telling me that these injuries won't be chronic.
2. I have the pick top 5 protected this year and top 3 protected next year.

As far as him being better than any of the picks this year, that's a pretty large leap of faith at this stage. If he can't get on the court, he's not any better than I am. :)
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Re: Embiid for our own 2015 pick?
« Reply #29 on: January 20, 2015, 09:36:11 PM »

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Healthy Embiid is probably a better prospect than every player in this draft (including Okafor).


LB you crack me up man.

It's true though. A healthy Embiid is a better prospect than Jahil and Karl Towns. To put it this way If Embiid stayed an extra year and played well, than I can easily see him taken number one due to his defensive and offensive potential.

It's definitely true. The only problem is the condition of health, which just so happens to be the hardest part.

Embiid had one half season of elite college play. He definitely has some amazing raw skills, but who is to say he wouldn't have his stock go down if he had stayed in this year and played against more elite centers? How much did playing with an elite talent like wiggins help him out on both offense and defense?
I thought the consensus was that Embiid got better every time he played.  He was showing all the signs of being a superstar.  And apparently in pre-draft workouts he blew everyone away to the point that people were saying he was a lock for #1... that was until he got injured.

The injury is scary, but I think people are too anxious to compare him to Greg Oden and others who had failed.   That's why he fell to #3, though...  If there hadn't been a Greg Oden prior to Embiid, Embiid probably goes #1 in spite of his injury.  He was that highly thought of.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvUuag32OZE

I'd trade the pick for him.  In another thread I even said I'd move Marcus Smart + the pick (top 3 protected).   Superstar center prospects are what you build championships around.  They are rare.  This one can play on both ends of the court.