DeMarcus Cousins and Sacramento Not Getting Along

[LooseCannon]

Trade Sullinger, Olynyk, and multiple firsts in a deal for Cousins.  Re-sign Bass to start next to him.  I think the reaction here to that would be entertaining.

[SHAQATTACK]

Trade Sullinger, Olynyk, and multiple firsts in a deal for Cousins.  Re-sign Bass to start next to him.  I think the reaction here to that would be entertaining.

I d lov to see Cousins , Smart and Sully in the same lineup ........if Young could develop.....would be exciting .   

[Ogaju]

One thing the Celtics should consider before trying to make a move to acquire Cousins should he become available is if he is the kind of player who is willing to accept direction from a coach such as as Brad Stevens.

If Cousins is unwilling to accept direction from Brad Stevens, then we should fire Brad Stevens.

LOL, That.

[FreddieJ]

It comes back to this question though. Why would Demarcus want to play for Boston and not Sacramento? If he wants out of Sacramento wouldn't winning be the foremost reason? Is Boston without assets significantly better than the Kings roster?

[PickNRoll]

It comes back to this question though. Why would Demarcus want to play for Boston and not Sacramento? If he wants out of Sacramento wouldn't winning be the foremost reason? Is Boston without assets significantly better than the Kings roster?

Because Vivek and Sacramento are the laughing stock of the league, while the Celtics are a revered, first-class organization from top to bottom?  The same reason Rondo would re-sign with Dallas, but not Sacramento.

[hwangjini_1]

It comes back to this question though. Why would Demarcus want to play for Boston and not Sacramento? If he wants out of Sacramento wouldn't winning be the foremost reason? Is Boston without assets significantly better than the Kings roster?

Because Vivek and Sacramento are the laughing stock of the league, while the Celtics are a revered, first-class organization from top to bottom?  The same reason Rondo would re-sign with Dallas, but not Sacramento.

this is a good question. the reply (dare i say sales pitch by ainge?) is that unlike sacramento, the celtics are expected and working seriously towards a championship. the last one wasnt that long ago and everything is in place for the celtics to BEGIN the road to the next one.

the celtics are a far, far better run organization than sacramento. ainge could sell demarcus on the plan to surround him with existing supporting talent (THAT the celtics have) along with a future of smart, a free agent/trade pick up, and lots of good draft picks.

with demarcus on board, the celtics could quickly be better than sacramento now, and still have lots of good draft picks to keep building.

[PickNRoll]

Sacramento is a titanic disaster.  They fired their coach after the best start in 20 years.  They're shopping the player they just drafted 8th overall.  The owner is too involved, even suggesting they play 4 on 5 and cherry pick on defense and mandating that they play a run-n-gun style despite having the best half-court center in the game.  Their coach, Corbin, is widely regarded as one of the worst in the league.  The team is dead last in the league in assists (mark of no chemistry), 26th in points allowed, and their record is ONE game better than the Celtics.  Why not leave?

[byennie]

Guy is a superstar, and you go all in to get him unless you really believe he's that awful in the locker room. Which hardly any players are when they are winning.

I'd trade Bradley, Sullinger, Olynyk and picks in a heartbeat.

You do that, and we'd have the cap room to fit Cousins plus 2 MORE max guys.

Imagine?

Smart
Young
Butler or Leonard or D Green / Turner / Crowder
Aldridge
Cousins / Zeller

That's 3 established All-Stars plus Smart (who will be All-Defensive Team at least next year) and Young, with Turner, Zeller and Crowder off the bench. We'd need to fill a few spots with vets which would be easy given that team.

[FreddieJ]

Sacramento is a titanic disaster.  They fired their coach after the best start in 20 years.  They're shopping the player they just drafted 8th overall.  The owner is too involved, even suggesting they play 4 on 5 and cherry pick on defense and mandating that they play a run-n-gun style despite having the best half-court center in the game.  Their coach, Corbin, is widely regarded as one of the worst in the league.  The team is dead last in the league in assists (mark of no chemistry), 26th in points allowed, and their record is ONE game better than the Celtics.  Why not leave?

I mean, its not his choice. He has three years remaining after this one.

Rondo didn't want to go to Sacramento when they were literally dead last in the Western Conference last year.

There are two ways of looking at things. I know how you feel, but if you go to a Kings board their thinking "we have a budding core (Cousins, Gay, Collison, McLemore) who competed with the best of them earlier this season, we are going to have some flexibility, our GM/Owner is going to look at add a top tier coach this off season." As bad as PDA looks right now, the Kings talent level is better than when he arrived before last year, it might just be too early to make a final judgement.

hwangjini_1: I guess in that scenario your not planning on giving anything up for Cousins? The Kings have the leverage here, and they don't have to trade him with three years remaining. There would be many suitors if he made a demand.

[coffee425]

Like any talent, if we can get him for a good price we do it. The problem is, if we get Cousins I think we need to also get someone else (or a collection of vets.) We can't bring him here and then plan on 2 more years of rebuilding. He will just get p---ed off here.

If we could get Cousins for say Wallace, filler and 3 or 4 firsts I wonder what subsequent moves we would make. KG for the TPE? Does that make any sense?

Cousins/Zeller/KG/KO
KG/Sully/KO/Bass
Crowder/Young/Turner
AB/Smart/Thorton/Turner
Smart/Turner

Frankly, short of Smart and maybe Sully, I'd trade anyone in green for DMC. Seriously, the talent gap between DMC and the rest of the roster is just mindblowing.


Edit: to further prove my point on this guy's talent. https://vine.co/v/OIvIz7ELu9u
not one of our guards have even tried this type of handle yet.

[PickNRoll]

Cousins is amazing, don't get me wrong.  But all of this is tempered by the fact that he doesn't always try.  He's caustic to teammates, to coaches, to referees, to the front office.  At some point, the Kings might decide to go another direction.  Maybe he grows up first, I don't know.

If you were Vivek, would you take Sully, BOS 2015 first, BKN 2016 first, Dallas 2016 first, Memphis 2019 first and James Young?

[coffee425]

Cousins is amazing, don't get me wrong.  But all of this is tempered by the fact that he doesn't always try.  He's caustic to teammates, to coaches, to referees, to the front office.  At some point, the Kings might decide to go another direction.  Maybe he grows up first, I don't know.

If you were Vivek, would you take Sully, BOS 2015 first, BKN 2016 first, Dallas 2016 first, Memphis 2019 first and James Young?

Well hiring a new coach pretty much tells me they're starting over... again. So maybe?

I could care less about the guy's attitude. Attitude is a positive when you have a team that plays hard. Just ask how Zach Randolph if he changed his attitude

[jpotter33]

Cousins is amazing, don't get me wrong.  But all of this is tempered by the fact that he doesn't always try.  He's caustic to teammates, to coaches, to referees, to the front office.  At some point, the Kings might decide to go another direction.  Maybe he grows up first, I don't know.

If you were Vivek, would you take Sully, BOS 2015 first, BKN 2016 first, Dallas 2016 first, Memphis 2019 first and James Young?

Not sure that they really want Young since they already have Stauskas and Mcelmore, unless they picture him as a 3 long-term.

[PickNRoll]

Cousins is amazing, don't get me wrong.  But all of this is tempered by the fact that he doesn't always try.  He's caustic to teammates, to coaches, to referees, to the front office.  At some point, the Kings might decide to go another direction.  Maybe he grows up first, I don't know.

If you were Vivek, would you take Sully, BOS 2015 first, BKN 2016 first, Dallas 2016 first, Memphis 2019 first and James Young?

Not sure that they really want Young since they already have Stauskas and Mcelmore, unless they picture him as a 3 long-term.

You're sort of missing the point. 

What if we offered Sully and 3 firsts?
4?
5?
6?
7?
8?
9?
10?
11?

Surely there's some price that would make Vivek blink.

[PickNRoll]

Cousins is amazing, don't get me wrong.  But all of this is tempered by the fact that he doesn't always try.  He's caustic to teammates, to coaches, to referees, to the front office.  At some point, the Kings might decide to go another direction.  Maybe he grows up first, I don't know.

If you were Vivek, would you take Sully, BOS 2015 first, BKN 2016 first, Dallas 2016 first, Memphis 2019 first and James Young?

Well hiring a new coach pretty much tells me they're starting over... again. So maybe?

I could care less about the guy's attitude. Attitude is a positive when you have a team that plays hard. Just ask how Zach Randolph if he changed his attitude

Charlotte plays REALLY hard and Lance's attitude sucks.