Can Jae Crowder become Draymond Green?

[TheFlex]

I'm asking because I don't know.

I loved Crowder coming out of college and then kinda forgot about him. I remember wanting the Celtics to move up in the second round to get either one of Crowder or Green but I don't think that was deemed affordable at the time. I wonder where we'd be if we had moved up for Green.

Anyways, if Crowder becomes anywhere near the level of talent D.G. is it will greatly accelerate the Celtics' rebuilding process.

[littleteapot]

Yes, if he somehow grows and takes a bunch of PEDs.

[TheFlex]

Yes, if he somehow grows and takes a bunch of PEDs.

Fine, a SG/SF version of Draymond.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

I'm asking because I don't know.

I loved Crowder coming out of college and then kinda forgot about him. I remember wanting the Celtics to move up in the second round to get either one of Crowder or Green but I don't think that was deemed affordable at the time. I wonder where we'd be if we had moved up for Green.

Anyways, if Crowder becomes anywhere near the level of talent D.G. is it will greatly accelerate the Celtics' rebuilding process.

Just let him play.


Dray is the type of player I love though. NBA/fans these days fawn over "scorers" so he isn't going to get his props by people who are casual fans. I mean, I would describe him as "gritty and plays with heart" but that just means he isn't a good player. 

[TheFlex]

I'm asking because I don't know.

I loved Crowder coming out of college and then kinda forgot about him. I remember wanting the Celtics to move up in the second round to get either one of Crowder or Green but I don't think that was deemed affordable at the time. I wonder where we'd be if we had moved up for Green.

Anyways, if Crowder becomes anywhere near the level of talent D.G. is it will greatly accelerate the Celtics' rebuilding process.

Just let him play.


Dray is the type of player I love though. NBA/fans these days fawn over "scorers" so he isn't going to get his props by people who are casual fans. I mean, I would describe him as "gritty and plays with heart" but that just means he isn't a good player. 

Yep, [edit: Draymond is contending for this year's] DPOY. Can be the third best player on a title contender.

[PickNRoll]

Crowder is a 3 who plays like a 2.  Green is a 3 who rebounds like a 4. 

Green is averaging 8.4 rebounds, and over 10 rebounds over the last month.  I don't think Crowder ever does that.

They're different players, but I like them both.  Draymond is better and is gonna get some big money in the offseason.

[Fafnir]

Crowder is a 3 who plays like a 2.  Green is a 3 who rebounds like a 4. 

Green is averaging 8.4 rebounds, and over 10 rebounds over the last month.  I don't think Crowder ever does that.

They're different players, but I like them both.  Draymond is better and is gonna get some big money in the offseason.

Green has played the PF position this year, for virtually all of his minutes. He's a PF for the purposes of discussion at this point.

Iggy, Barnes, and Klay have handled SF duties.

[TheFlex]

Crowder is a 3 who plays like a 2.  Green is a 3 who rebounds like a 4. 

Green is averaging 8.4 rebounds, and over 10 rebounds over the last month.  I don't think Crowder ever does that.

They're different players, but I like them both.  Draymond is better and is gonna get some big money in the offseason.

1st, I asked if Crowder had the talent and determination to become the player D.G. is, not if they're equal right now.

2nd, I later clarified before you made your comment that if Crowder could be that good I envisioned him as more of SG/SF version of Green, in many ways a combination of Green and Thabo Sefolosha.

I agree both that Draymond is better now and likely will still be 4-5 years from now.

[Monkhouse]

I would like to see a team of Smart/Bradley or Young, Crowder at SF, Draymond Green at the 4. Then trade Sully or KO for a good young big.

[banty19]

Draymond Green's a decent best-case comparison. Both are 3 and Defense kind of players. Draymond's more proven so far and a better rebounder. Both both have solid Spor**** man-to-man defense stats.

I think the big questions with Jae will be:

1) Can he consistently knock down 3s?
2) Will his small-sample stats translate with more playing time and facing opposing starters vs. opposing bench players?

I also found it interesting that based on box score stats, an early comparison for Jae is James Posey: http://nbacompare.com/players-like/146/jae-crowder

[PickNRoll]

Crowder is a 3 who plays like a 2.  Green is a 3 who rebounds like a 4. 

Green is averaging 8.4 rebounds, and over 10 rebounds over the last month.  I don't think Crowder ever does that.

They're different players, but I like them both.  Draymond is better and is gonna get some big money in the offseason.

Green has played the PF position this year, for virtually all of his minutes. He's a PF for the purposes of discussion at this point.

Iggy, Barnes, and Klay have handled SF duties.

Wasn't aware of that.  I stand corrected.  I suppose I should've said Draymond is a 4, Crowder plays much smaller.

[TheFlex]

Draymond Green's a decent best-case comparison. Both are 3 and Defense kind of players. Draymond's more proven so far and a better rebounder. Both both have solid Spor**** man-to-man defense stats.

I think the big questions with Jae will be:

1) Can he consistently knock down 3s?
2) Will his small-sample stats translate with more playing time and facing opposing starters vs. opposing bench players?

I also found it interesting that based on box score stats, an early comparison for Jae is James Posey: http://nbacompare.com/players-like/146/jae-crowder

Interesting, TP.

[LarBrd33]

I try not to overreact to performances until I see a guy do it for more than 11 games.  It's the Stuart Tanner principle... Unknown players can temporarily catch opponents off guard until the opponents inevitably learn their tendencies.  Named after the video of Devin Harris getting owned by some unknown street baller:  http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ysv3v7uXblw

It was the driving force behind Linsanity.  Let's keep level heads in the midst of Crowdersanity. Let's see if he keeps it up for more than 11 games.

[PickNRoll]

Crowder is a 3 who plays like a 2.  Green is a 3 who rebounds like a 4. 

Green is averaging 8.4 rebounds, and over 10 rebounds over the last month.  I don't think Crowder ever does that.

They're different players, but I like them both.  Draymond is better and is gonna get some big money in the offseason.

1st, I asked if Crowder had the talent and determination to become the player D.G. is, not if they're equal right now.

2nd, I later clarified before you made your comment that if Crowder could be that good I envisioned him as more of SG/SF version of Green, in many ways a combination of Green and Thabo Sefolosha.

I agree both that Draymond is better now and likely will still be 4-5 years from now.

Sorry for not following instructions.   

[LarBrd33]

Crowder started 16 games as a rookie and averaged 5.4 points, 3.6 rebounds, 1.9 assists, 1.1 steal on 34%/21%/72% shooting in 25mpg   

His second season he started 7 games and averaged 8.6 points, 3.6 rebounds, 1.7 assists, 1.6 steal on 44%/25%/100% shooting in 29.4mpg   

This year he's started 3 games and averaged 13.3 points, 4.3 rebounds, 2.3 assists, 1.3 blocks, 2 steals on 61%/38%/50% shooting in 28.7mpg

I don't really expect him to keep up his current level of production.  He's blindsided opponents and had some hot games, but let's see what happens.  I think he's got a future as a solid bench player for a team.