Mannix on Lopez; Rondo trade was also discussed with Nets

[wiley]

thank goodness we didn't add Lopez.  I'd take him for free I guess.  I hope he stays
healthy and makes a decent comeback.

[TheFlex]

I'll never understand Danny's fascination with flawed big men. Whether it be Raef LaFrentz, Patrick O'Bryant, Mikki Moore, Fab Melo...

   It's awfully hard to make the claim that Danny was "fascinated" byt O'Bryant, Moore or Melo.

Lol, you didn't know? DA did everything he could to get POB. That vet min contract really stretched Wyc and Steve's pockets. DA had to beg them to get it done.

He did pass on Chris Andersen for him, though.

Hindsight is 20/20. Andersen was out of the league in '06-07 and played five games in '07-08. We signed POB in the summer of '08. It was hardly an obvious decision and one that's pretty unfair to begrudge Ainge for incorrectly making.

Danny's job is to make the right decision.  He missed.

POB could never play.  Andersen could.  That wasn't hindsight, it was a gamble on a bum that didn't work out.  It's not so much different than Melo vs. PJ3.

Danny has won some, and lost some. I tend not to gloss over his mistakes.

You're comparing Andersen vs. POB in '07-08 to Melo vs. PJ3 in present day?

Um... I guess we'll agree to disagree on this one.

[Nerf DPOY]

Maybe 'fascinated' means something different than I think it means.

[Roy H.]

I'll never understand Danny's fascination with flawed big men. Whether it be Raef LaFrentz, Patrick O'Bryant, Mikki Moore, Fab Melo...

   It's awfully hard to make the claim that Danny was "fascinated" byt O'Bryant, Moore or Melo.

Lol, you didn't know? DA did everything he could to get POB. That vet min contract really stretched Wyc and Steve's pockets. DA had to beg them to get it done.

He did pass on Chris Andersen for him, though.

Hindsight is 20/20. Andersen was out of the league in '06-07 and played five games in '07-08. We signed POB in the summer of '08. It was hardly an obvious decision and one that's pretty unfair to begrudge Ainge for incorrectly making.

Danny's job is to make the right decision.  He missed.

POB could never play.  Andersen could.  That wasn't hindsight, it was a gamble on a bum that didn't work out.  It's not so much different than Melo vs. PJ3.

Danny has won some, and lost some. I tend not to gloss over his mistakes.

You're comparing Andersen vs. POB in '07-08 to Melo vs. PJ3 in present day?

Um... I guess we'll agree to disagree on this one.

In both cases, Danny took the "athletic" stiff over the guy with more proven production, in the name of upside.  It didn't work out either time.

[KGs Knee]

Once upon a time I had high hopes for Brook Lopez. Now a days, if I were GM, you wouldn't be able to pay me to have in on the roster.

Too injured, too soft. Quite possibly one of the worst rebounding 7 footers in the league along with Bargnani. Terrible defender as well. Overall negative impact.

To be more succinct, I would rather have received the bag of rocks we got from Dallas than Lopez. He sucks that much.

[RRNoLookPass]

thank goodness we didn't add Lopez.  I'd take him for free I guess.  I hope he stays
healthy and makes a decent comeback.

I don't....cause Lopez staying healthy and making a decent comeback is only going to improve the Nets, and hence, lower the Celts' chances at getting a high draft pick in 2016. Where as if Lopez continues to play below his previous expectations, at least the Nets won't be able to trade him for pieces that will help improve their record.

[LarBrd33]

Once upon a time I had high hopes for Brook Lopez. Now a days, if I were GM, you wouldn't be able to pay me to have in on the roster.

Too injured, too soft. Quite possibly one of the worst rebounding 7 footers in the league along with Bargnani. Terrible defender as well. Overall negative impact.

To be more succinct, I would rather have received the bag of rocks we got from Dallas than Lopez. He sucks that much.

Lopez is arguably the best low-post scorer in the game.   He's a lock to give you 20 a night.  He's not much of a rebounder... he gets a couple blocks a night, but I don't know if he's a great rim protector.   Getting Lopez would have been an upgrade for sure.  He's a 26 year old all-star center.  The injuries are a concern and the contract is fat. 

Of course, it's really hard to sell yourself on taking the lopez risk when you have a career backup like Zeller putting up such great numbers right now.

[TheFlex]

I'll never understand Danny's fascination with flawed big men. Whether it be Raef LaFrentz, Patrick O'Bryant, Mikki Moore, Fab Melo...

   It's awfully hard to make the claim that Danny was "fascinated" byt O'Bryant, Moore or Melo.

Lol, you didn't know? DA did everything he could to get POB. That vet min contract really stretched Wyc and Steve's pockets. DA had to beg them to get it done.

He did pass on Chris Andersen for him, though.

Hindsight is 20/20. Andersen was out of the league in '06-07 and played five games in '07-08. We signed POB in the summer of '08. It was hardly an obvious decision and one that's pretty unfair to begrudge Ainge for incorrectly making.

Danny's job is to make the right decision.  He missed.

POB could never play.  Andersen could.  That wasn't hindsight, it was a gamble on a bum that didn't work out.  It's not so much different than Melo vs. PJ3.

Danny has won some, and lost some. I tend not to gloss over his mistakes.

You're comparing Andersen vs. POB in '07-08 to Melo vs. PJ3 in present day?

Um... I guess we'll agree to disagree on this one.

In both cases, Danny took the "athletic" stiff over the guy with more proven production, in the name of upside.  It didn't work out either time.

How can you say someone who had played six games in two years is proven?

[danglertx]

Once upon a time I had high hopes for Brook Lopez. Now a days, if I were GM, you wouldn't be able to pay me to have in on the roster.

Too injured, too soft. Quite possibly one of the worst rebounding 7 footers in the league along with Bargnani. Terrible defender as well. Overall negative impact.

To be more succinct, I would rather have received the bag of rocks we got from Dallas than Lopez. He sucks that much.

Lopez is arguably the best low-post scorer in the game.   He's a lock to give you 20 a night.  He's not much of a rebounder... he gets a couple blocks a night, but I don't know if he's a great rim protector.   Getting Lopez would have been an upgrade for sure.  He's a 26 year old all-star center.  The injuries are a concern and the contract is fat. 

Of course, it's really hard to sell yourself on taking the lopez risk when you have a career backup like Zeller putting up such great numbers right now.

How is a guy who has averaged 20pts a game in his career twice, a lock to give you 20 a night?  He has scored at least 20 pts in a whopping five games this year.   By that standard Olynyk is a lock to get you 20 a night. 

Lopez is a horrible rebounder who has very low lateral foot speed.  He can't guard anyone who can step out and hit jumpers and dribble in the least.  I'd rather have an empty roster spot than Lopez and I'd definitely rather have that money available for someone else.

[Evantime34]

I don't trust Lopez to play enough minutes to warrant his high salary.

We should be targeting Young players, not players on their last legs due to health.

[Roy H.]

I'll never understand Danny's fascination with flawed big men. Whether it be Raef LaFrentz, Patrick O'Bryant, Mikki Moore, Fab Melo...

   It's awfully hard to make the claim that Danny was "fascinated" byt O'Bryant, Moore or Melo.

Lol, you didn't know? DA did everything he could to get POB. That vet min contract really stretched Wyc and Steve's pockets. DA had to beg them to get it done.

He did pass on Chris Andersen for him, though.

Hindsight is 20/20. Andersen was out of the league in '06-07 and played five games in '07-08. We signed POB in the summer of '08. It was hardly an obvious decision and one that's pretty unfair to begrudge Ainge for incorrectly making.

Danny's job is to make the right decision.  He missed.

POB could never play.  Andersen could.  That wasn't hindsight, it was a gamble on a bum that didn't work out.  It's not so much different than Melo vs. PJ3.

Danny has won some, and lost some. I tend not to gloss over his mistakes.

You're comparing Andersen vs. POB in '07-08 to Melo vs. PJ3 in present day?

Um... I guess we'll agree to disagree on this one.

In both cases, Danny took the "athletic" stiff over the guy with more proven production, in the name of upside.  It didn't work out either time.

How can you say someone who had played six games in two years is proven?

Andersen had a proven NBA track record -- especially compared to POB -- and PJ3 had a proven collegiate record, especially compared to Fab.

I'm not sure why this analogy is flying over your head, but I'm not sure it matters.  You're okay with overlooking some of Danny's mistakes as being only due to 20/20 hindsight, and I disagree with that.  Tons of Celtics fans -- I'd say the clear majority in both cases -- disagreed with the decisions at the time.  Danny shouldn't be run out of town for making those mistakes, but they weren't great decisions, either at the time or in hindsight.

[KeepRondo]

I'll never understand Danny's fascination with flawed big men. Whether it be Raef LaFrentz, Patrick O'Bryant, Mikki Moore, Fab Melo...

   It's awfully hard to make the claim that Danny was "fascinated" byt O'Bryant, Moore or Melo.

Lol, you didn't know? DA did everything he could to get POB. That vet min contract really stretched Wyc and Steve's pockets. DA had to beg them to get it done.

He did pass on Chris Andersen for him, though.

Hindsight is 20/20. Andersen was out of the league in '06-07 and played five games in '07-08. We signed POB in the summer of '08. It was hardly an obvious decision and one that's pretty unfair to begrudge Ainge for incorrectly making.

Danny's job is to make the right decision.  He missed.

POB could never play.  Andersen could.  That wasn't hindsight, it was a gamble on a bum that didn't work out.  It's not so much different than Melo vs. PJ3.

Danny has won some, and lost some. I tend not to gloss over his mistakes.

You're comparing Andersen vs. POB in '07-08 to Melo vs. PJ3 in present day?

Um... I guess we'll agree to disagree on this one.

In both cases, Danny took the "athletic" stiff over the guy with more proven production, in the name of upside.  It didn't work out either time.

How can you say someone who had played six games in two years is proven?

I don't remember the specifics as well as you do but I do remember being pretty excited about possibly getting the birdman.

[KeepRondo]

I don't trust Lopez to play enough minutes to warrant his high salary.

We should be targeting Young players, not players on their last legs due to health.

yep. Lopez is a tree.

[KGs Knee]

Once upon a time I had high hopes for Brook Lopez. Now a days, if I were GM, you wouldn't be able to pay me to have in on the roster.

Too injured, too soft. Quite possibly one of the worst rebounding 7 footers in the league along with Bargnani. Terrible defender as well. Overall negative impact.

To be more succinct, I would rather have received the bag of rocks we got from Dallas than Lopez. He sucks that much.

Lopez is arguably the best low-post scorer in the game.   He's a lock to give you 20 a night.  He's not much of a rebounder... he gets a couple blocks a night, but I don't know if he's a great rim protector.   Getting Lopez would have been an upgrade for sure.  He's a 26 year old all-star center.  The injuries are a concern and the contract is fat. 

Of course, it's really hard to sell yourself on taking the lopez risk when you have a career backup like Zeller putting up such great numbers right now.

So just to be clear...

Rondo= washed up scrub

Lopez= best low post scorer in the league, and all-star


I guess I won't say anything further. My mother always taught me, "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all".

[SHAQATTACK]

Rather have Robin Lopez with sound legs and feet