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Re: Why no Zeller in the fourth quarter?
« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2014, 08:14:19 AM »

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If they REALLY REALLY wanted to win every game .

You play your best players a lot .....ride them to a victory every night you can.   

If a victory looks slim ...then like pops ,  you sit the stars

If the margin is 10 or less .....play your best players to win.

Winning is low on priority list.

Zeller is good free throw shooter , he should never come out the last minutes..

We had problems with Plumlee and Lopez in at same time .......huge lineup.

Re: Why no Zeller in the fourth quarter?
« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2014, 08:20:54 AM »

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Um the team is tanking. Is this a serious question?

I think you are right.
Yes, Sully made this last shot to look exactly as if it would go in, and then turn around and get out. Perfect moral victory. (Can someone explain me how to use the sarcasm font pls?)

Re: Why no Zeller in the fourth quarter?
« Reply #17 on: December 27, 2014, 08:50:58 AM »

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Playing Sully in the fourth is a tank job, his clutch stats are horrific.

Re: Why no Zeller in the fourth quarter?
« Reply #18 on: December 27, 2014, 09:10:34 AM »

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They're not telling the coach to lose games.

I don't know about that, no one knows if they are or aren't. I would hope not.

but, it's the only thing i'm hoping at this point. because if not, i'm really not liking some of the lineup choices by stevens.

like the other night, when we were struggling to score and stevens remedies this by putting 2 pg's out there at the same time, both of which struggle to score(smart and pressey). on top of it pressey was the SG in this lineup... ::)

then there's other things like insisting on playing Turner at pg, when we have 3 pg's on the roster. while Turner sucks there.

I understand "in stevens' system positions don't matter". but they do, they do matter in the NBA.

which is why I gotta believe this is all for the tank, playing 2 pg's at the same time is loser basketball, it's like waving the white flag, it's like saying we have no idea what to do.

I hope we're tanking and doing this crap on purpose. because if we're doing these things because we think it's a good idea? we're in trouble.
 


Re: Why no Zeller in the fourth quarter?
« Reply #19 on: December 27, 2014, 09:10:36 AM »

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I think Stevens is in a bit of a panic.  He needs to just simplify EVERYTHING he and the team are doing but, like many really smart people, he's overthinking things.  Vogel and Pop did it in the playoffs two years ago when they left their centers on the bench for crucial plays that cost them against Miami.

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Good point. After watching his post-game interview (hadn't seen a game in a long time) today, he seems to be a lot less comfortable answering Qs and his demeanor isn't the same. Seemed like he felt an obligation to defend all of his actions. He also seemed pretty lost, unsure of where to go next, but perhaps moreso because of the new roster changes.

To me, going Turner, Nelson and then Smart as starting PG following the Rondo trade indicates he has neither a short term nor a long term plan.

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Re: Why no Zeller in the fourth quarter?
« Reply #20 on: December 27, 2014, 09:17:28 AM »

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then there's other things like insisting on playing Turner at pg, when we have 3 pg's on the roster. while Turner sucks there.

I understand "in stevens' system positions don't matter". but they do, they do matter in the NBA.

which is why I gotta believe this is all for the tank, playing 2 pg's at the same time is loser basketball

1.  Stevens clearly has done a pretty good job of rehabilitating Turner and part of that is showing faith in the guy and making him feel comfortable, but I think that's come a bit at the expense of the team overall.

2.  Two pgs can work but the both have to be veterans who can shoot.

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Re: Why no Zeller in the fourth quarter?
« Reply #21 on: December 27, 2014, 09:24:33 AM »

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They're not telling the coach to lose games.

I don't know about that, no one knows if they are or aren't. I would hope not.

but, it's the only thing i'm hoping at this point. because if not, i'm really not liking some of the lineup choices by stevens.

like the other night, when we were struggling to score and stevens remedies this by putting 2 pg's out there at the same time, both of which struggle to score(smart and pressey). on top of it pressey was the SG in this lineup... ::)

then there's other things like insisting on playing Turner at pg, when we have 3 pg's on the roster. while Turner sucks there.

I understand "in stevens' system positions don't matter". but they do, they do matter in the NBA.

which is why I gotta believe this is all for the tank, playing 2 pg's at the same time is loser basketball, it's like waving the white flag, it's like saying we have no idea what to do.

I hope we're tanking and doing this crap on purpose. because if we're doing these things because we think it's a good idea? we're in trouble.

So true, so true. And I want to believe it's tanking. Surely he is not that bad of an NBA coach. But I really don't know.
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Re: Why no Zeller in the fourth quarter?
« Reply #22 on: December 27, 2014, 01:07:18 PM »

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1.  Stevens clearly has done a pretty good job of rehabilitating Turner and part of that is showing faith in the guy and making him feel comfortable, but I think that's come a bit at the expense of the team overall.

last time I checked evan turner was not some cornerstone guy you go try to fix at the expense of the rest of the team. and why can't "fixing turner" be done as a SG? there's other guys at the point that need the experience.

2.  Two pgs can work but the both have to be veterans who can shoot.

that's what they say. I've been watching NBA basketball for 25 yr's. or so and I can't name one team that's pulled it off successfully consistently. all I've seen it do is cause more problems than it solves.

Re: Why no Zeller in the fourth quarter?
« Reply #23 on: December 27, 2014, 02:49:30 PM »

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Zeller not being in bothered me but not as much as having to watch Turner play the point at the end while Smart was the 2. Nelson, Smart, or Turner at point is fine with me just not in 2 guard sets where Smart is the off guard.

Re: Why no Zeller in the fourth quarter?
« Reply #24 on: December 27, 2014, 03:20:24 PM »

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Perhaps we were seeing what we can do without.  Maybe CLE wants Zeller back?  I think this would be silly but you never know what we were getting from the third party.

Re: Why no Zeller in the fourth quarter?
« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2014, 03:51:23 PM »

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Because BKN went small and Sullinger is our best two way big. Coaches in this league always get heat for matching small to small, but we got burned a few possessions with a big trying to guard the perimeter. It's pretty much a necessity to match it. We should've stuck with Crowder instead of Turner, but I have to agree with the decision of Stevens on the whole. Heck, I even think Zeller should've been third in the pecking order after Olynyk as well. Kelly vs. Sully should be the real question.

Re: Why no Zeller in the fourth quarter?
« Reply #26 on: December 27, 2014, 04:05:14 PM »

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They're not telling the coach to lose games.

I find it a little odd Stevens would just forget to put Zeller back in.

Re: Why no Zeller in the fourth quarter?
« Reply #27 on: December 27, 2014, 04:15:37 PM »

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So it was either a tank job or poor coaching. ...

Nothing else makes sence

Re: Why no Zeller in the fourth quarter?
« Reply #28 on: December 27, 2014, 04:26:10 PM »

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So it was either a tank job or poor coaching. ...

Nothing else makes sence

it was something....like Rondo dribbling out the clock, down by 2 last season.
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