BS Report: Lowe on Rondo

[MBunge]

The usual Anti-Rondo crowd.

If I wasn't enjoying my Christmas, I'd come up with some easy rebuttals for this thread and the "BS Report" which is aptly named.

But Merry Christmas, ya'll.

Don't forget the Fts and Defense and Bad attitude

Merry Christmas to you too.

However, why is this anti-Rondo? Lowe is knowledgeable and I wanted to share his thoughts. Too many times anytime something negative is said about Rondo it turns into "hating" or "Anti-Rondo". Why? Is there anything that Lowe said that you can say isn't true?

Rondo used to be an incredible player. He's not now.
Some people can't accept that.

Yup. Just another horrid player that just happens to lead the league in assists and his position at rebs. That's all

Don't forget the Bad Fts and Defense and attitude

Ah yes. Just like Shaq. Terrible free throws. Weird attitude. Totally killed his teams.

If you think Rondo and Shaq can be put in the same category...

Mike

Actually the better comparison is Rondo and Rodman (without the drug use and whatnot). Rodman never got his due either.

Rodman was also a role player.  A very good role player but a role player still.  Is Rondo a role player?

Mike

[Boris Badenov]

The usual Anti-Rondo crowd.

If I wasn't enjoying my Christmas, I'd come up with some easy rebuttals for this thread and the "BS Report" which is aptly named.

But Merry Christmas, ya'll.

Don't forget the Fts and Defense and Bad attitude

Merry Christmas to you too.

However, why is this anti-Rondo? Lowe is knowledgeable and I wanted to share his thoughts. Too many times anytime something negative is said about Rondo it turns into "hating" or "Anti-Rondo". Why? Is there anything that Lowe said that you can say isn't true?

Rondo used to be an incredible player. He's not now.
Some people can't accept that.

Yup. Just another horrid player that just happens to lead the league in assists and his position at rebs. That's all

Don't forget the Bad Fts and Defense and attitude

Ah yes. Just like Shaq. Terrible free throws. Weird attitude. Totally killed his teams.

If you think Rondo and Shaq can be put in the same category...

Mike

Actually the better comparison is Rondo and Rodman (without the drug use and whatnot). Rodman never got his due either.

Rodman was also a role player.  A very good role player but a role player still.  Is Rondo a role player?

Mike

Do role players make the NBA Hall of Fame?

[Rondo9]

The usual Anti-Rondo crowd.

If I wasn't enjoying my Christmas, I'd come up with some easy rebuttals for this thread and the "BS Report" which is aptly named.

But Merry Christmas, ya'll.

Merry Christmas to you too.

However, why is this anti-Rondo? Lowe is knowledgeable and I wanted to share his thoughts. Too many times anytime something negative is said about Rondo it turns into "hating" or "Anti-Rondo". Why? Is there anything that Lowe said that you can say isn't true?

Rondo used to be an incredible player. He's not now.
Some people can't accept that.

Yup. Just another horrid player that just happens to lead the league in assists and his position at rebs. That's all

Nobody has said Rondo is a "horrid" player at all. He's just severely overrated on this blog because people keep holding onto what he was 3 years ago.

He was absolutely incredible in that Heat series but injuries and age change those things. Rondo has simply hit his ceiling and this was a while ago, he has not made any real improvements in other aspects of his game. Meanwhile how far has steph curry come since the Rondo of 3 years ago?

If he is truely one of the best PG's in the league why won't he make the all-star game this year? Will he even make one again?

In the west...Cp3, Curry and Westbrook have this on lock. Lillard is clearly next in line....

Rondo is an elite passer and great rebounder for his position. However for TODAYS league, he simply isn't a complete pg there are too many holes. Especially for one that is commanding a max contract.

I'm not slamming Rondo at all, however these points are ones that I have thought about when deciding whether or not I wanted to keep him at Max extension or not. I hope the Rondo stans can do the same.

He is leading the league in assists and rebounds for all guards THIS YEAR. Not three years ago, THIS YEAR. If Rondo put up the stat line Marcus Smart put up today, people would be all over him. Yet, I am reading posts talking about how well Smart played. Give me a break.

Kobe Bryant is 3rd in points per game and Andre Drummond is 2nd in rebounds per game.  Their team's still suck.  Boston stunk with Rondo putting up the numbers you just mentioned.

And if Rondo played with the same defensive effort as Smart, the love for him in this forum would have been neverending, no matter how poorly he shot from the field.

Mike

Even if Rondo played with the same defensive intensity as Smart, there will people who will still complain about him.

[BballTim]

And if Rondo played with the same defensive effort as Smart, the love for him in this forum would have been neverending, no matter how poorly he shot from the field.

Mike

  His 4 years on all defense teams show the opposite to be the case. There was very little differentiation between the criticisms of his defense last year and the years he was first team all-defense. And there was no difference in the type or number of complaints about his shooting.

[BballTim]

The usual Anti-Rondo crowd.

If I wasn't enjoying my Christmas, I'd come up with some easy rebuttals for this thread and the "BS Report" which is aptly named.

But Merry Christmas, ya'll.

Don't forget the Fts and Defense and Bad attitude

Merry Christmas to you too.

However, why is this anti-Rondo? Lowe is knowledgeable and I wanted to share his thoughts. Too many times anytime something negative is said about Rondo it turns into "hating" or "Anti-Rondo". Why? Is there anything that Lowe said that you can say isn't true?

Rondo used to be an incredible player. He's not now.
Some people can't accept that.

Yup. Just another horrid player that just happens to lead the league in assists and his position at rebs. That's all

Don't forget the Bad Fts and Defense and attitude

Ah yes. Just like Shaq. Terrible free throws. Weird attitude. Totally killed his teams.

If you think Rondo and Shaq can be put in the same category...

Mike

Actually the better comparison is Rondo and Rodman (without the drug use and whatnot). Rodman never got his due either.

Rodman was also a role player.  A very good role player but a role player still.  Is Rondo a role player?

Mike

  Always exciting to see discussions about who's a role player between people who each have a different definition of what a role player is.

[Eja117]

The usual Anti-Rondo crowd.

If I wasn't enjoying my Christmas, I'd come up with some easy rebuttals for this thread and the "BS Report" which is aptly named.

But Merry Christmas, ya'll.

Don't forget the Fts and Defense and Bad attitude

Merry Christmas to you too.

However, why is this anti-Rondo? Lowe is knowledgeable and I wanted to share his thoughts. Too many times anytime something negative is said about Rondo it turns into "hating" or "Anti-Rondo". Why? Is there anything that Lowe said that you can say isn't true?

Rondo used to be an incredible player. He's not now.
Some people can't accept that.

Yup. Just another horrid player that just happens to lead the league in assists and his position at rebs. That's all

Don't forget the Bad Fts and Defense and attitude

Ah yes. Just like Shaq. Terrible free throws. Weird attitude. Totally killed his teams.

If you think Rondo and Shaq can be put in the same category...

Mike

Actually the better comparison is Rondo and Rodman (without the drug use and whatnot). Rodman never got his due either.

Rodman was also a role player.  A very good role player but a role player still.  Is Rondo a role player?

Mike

I don't know. Is Bill Russell a role player? If the role is to dominate the opposition/opponent and absolutely own the key statistics of your position then that is his role. 

[Ogaju]

THE TERM Role Player is one of those terms that you can use to mean whatever you want.

MJ was a role player -- his role was to do whatever he wanted to get the W.

Perhaps the term should be tightened to be 'limited role player' such as a player who was only brought in for a limited and defined role such as a three point specialist or a defense specialist, or a rebound specialist.

Just my two cents.

[Eja117]

And if Rondo played with the same defensive effort as Smart, the love for him in this forum would have been neverending, no matter how poorly he shot from the field.

Mike

  His 4 years on all defense teams show the opposite to be the case. There was very little differentiation between the criticisms of his defense last year and the years he was first team all-defense. And there was no difference in the type or number of complaints about his shooting.

Agreed. Bill Russell's fg and ft% was horrid. If he had played in the Celtics Blog era people would have continually called for trading him.

[piercetruth34]

Smart is a better defender and can potentially hit an outside shot with some consistency.  Rondo was a much more dominant player as far as controlling the ball and creating offense for his teammates.  He was Cousy.  Smart is still learning how to play pg, will never have the skills Rondo did in that regard but can be a good fit and  a  beast in his own way.  Still miss Rondo watching Smart play though. They are very different.  Smart reminds me of Mark Jackson or Dennis Johnson a bit.  I'm hoping he can be more Bill Russell at pg though once he gets going.  Rondo  is an awesome  pg though.  As far as running an offense and being able to create there is no other pg in the nba like him.  Rondo is more fun to watch in ways imo.  Still adjusting to Marcus.  I think he can be fun to watch too once he becomes more aggressive offensively and  his defense starts taking over.

I still think we could have been successful with Rondo if he was fully on board.  Having both Rondo and Smart was interesting imo.   But maybe for the best.  This will allow us to rebuild and maybe that wouldn't have worked. 

Rondo was also a huge playoff player.  He can take over games.  So can Smart though I feel but in different ways.

[dasani]

Lol Lowe is a joke... Anyone even saying RR is not a top 7 let alone top 10 or 15 PG is saying so merely to get the jealous haters interested in a boring bs article which this Lowe piece is BTW. Fwiw Lowe never seemed much knowledgeable as an insider nor analyst. Just a stats ish geek who a lot of fans relate to for obvious reasons. 

[piercetruth34]

It's called the BS report for a reason.

[zimbo]

Lol Lowe is a joke... Anyone even saying RR is not a top 7 let alone top 10 or 15 PG is saying so merely to get the jealous haters interested in a boring bs article which this Lowe piece is BTW. Fwiw Lowe never seemed much knowledgeable as an insider nor analyst. Just a stats ish geek who a lot of fans relate to for obvious reasons. 

Great post...Lowe is a joke and an insecure one at that...his nose is frightening.

[dasani]

ha! At least get a nose job if your going to be on TV with your ugly mug and nonsense NBA verbiage. 

[Kuberski1]

I thought Lowe's article was relatively objective and insightful.

With their current team, Dallas was a long-shot to win the chip - they were a second tier West team, behind GS, LAC, MEM, HOUS, even OKC.  Their weakest leak was at point.  While Rondo has his weaknesses, he was and is a much better option than anything they had.  The risk is that Rondo adds little to their offense, or even worse makes them even less effective.  On defense he'll be a plus. This may - or may not - work out for the Mavs, i.e. it's not the home-run some think it is.

My guess is one of Danny's unstated goals is not to commit to large salaries, ala Pat Riley's current thinking, beyond 2016, unless that player is an obvious max-type star player.  Rondo is not such a player, nor is Jeff Green, which makes me think this is his last year with us, as he'll likely get offers at or close to the max.  I think Rondo would likely have stayed with Boston if they had offered market level compensation; I don't think Boston wanted to commit that money/years to him.

As always, time will tell....time being measured in years, not months.  I miss Rondo as much as anyone, but still a fan of the guys in green. 

[dasani]

call the article anything you want, but don't call it objective, it was transparently biased.