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Re: What is the point of keeping Nelson?
« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2014, 02:45:00 PM »

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A lot of people are down on Pressey, but he's able to push the pace well and give good energy. I would have preferred seeing more of him against the Heat instead of Nelson.

exactly. Pressey does not complain and just plays hard.  I have never seen him get winded also. He has amazing stamina


Re: What is the point of keeping Nelson?
« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2014, 02:45:02 PM »

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He will be moved at the deadline. In the mean while I expect he is playing to add some stability to a very young group of guards.
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Re: What is the point of keeping Nelson?
« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2014, 02:50:53 PM »

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Having a PG who can make a jump-shot consistently.

I guess you also want a PG that is turnover prone and is a mediocre defender

We've been playing Turner at the point this season, right?

Turner is an above average defender that can switch and guard multiple positions. I do agree he has turned over the ball than most would like. But he is a better player than Nelson. Nelson is an undersized (i mean really undersized) sg in a pg body.   It was horrible to watch him unable to excute PNR passes not twice but three times yesterday

Re: What is the point of keeping Nelson?
« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2014, 02:51:30 PM »

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Having a PG who can make a jump-shot consistently.

I guess you also want a PG that is turnover prone and is a mediocre defender

We've been playing Turner at the point this season, right?

Turner is an above average defender that can switch and guard multiple positions. I do agree he has turned over the ball than most would like. But he is a better player than Nelson. Nelson is an undersized (i mean really undersized) sg in a pg body.   It was horrible to watch him unable to excute PNR passes not twice but three times

Turner is an above average defender?

Go on. (I certainly have no love for Nelson, but having someone on the perimeter who can hit a three in our guard rotation is pretty important).
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Re: What is the point of keeping Nelson?
« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2014, 02:59:57 PM »

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By himself, he is going to bring back nothing. I mean i would surprised if somebody was willing to give up a 2nd round pick for him

He is old and has no future with the team like Gwallace . Why play him 10-20 mins a game and take away mins from the other players? Just buy him out.  Getting Felton back instead would of been better (injured likely for the majority of the year).  Would of not disrupted the rotation.
they may still do so. but off the top of my head i don't see many advantages to buying him out.

1. the celtics still pay his salary.
2. with whom do they replace him? no one out there would make a big difference on this team but would add salary.
3. if stevens doesn't play him it is the same as what happened with bogans.
4. by keeping him, they can trade him and his salary can help make things match, ala bogans.
5. by keeping him, they MAY actually be able to trade him for something should another team need a pg due to injury. he is an asset, a meager, minuscule, next to worthless asset, but still an asset.

actually, as along as they don't play him, i have no trouble with him on the celtics, or staying at home.
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Re: What is the point of keeping Nelson?
« Reply #20 on: December 22, 2014, 03:01:09 PM »

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By himself, he is going to bring back nothing. I mean i would surprised if somebody was willing to give up a 2nd round pick for him

He is old and has no future with the team like Gwallace . Why play him 10-20 mins a game and take away mins from the other players? Just buy him out.  Getting Felton back instead would of been better (injured likely for the majority of the year).  Would of not disrupted the rotation.

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Re: What is the point of keeping Nelson?
« Reply #21 on: December 22, 2014, 03:13:34 PM »

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By himself, he is going to bring back nothing. I mean i would surprised if somebody was willing to give up a 2nd round pick for him

He is old and has no future with the team like Gwallace . Why play him 10-20 mins a game and take away mins from the other players? Just buy him out.  Getting Felton back instead would of been better (injured likely for the majority of the year).  Would of not disrupted the rotation.
they may still do so. but off the top of my head i don't see many advantages to buying him out.

1. the celtics still pay his salary.
2. with whom do they replace him? no one out there would make a big difference on this team but would add salary.
3. if stevens doesn't play him it is the same as what happened with bogans.
4. by keeping him, they can trade him and his salary can help make things match, ala bogans.
5. by keeping him, they MAY actually be able to trade him for something should another team need a pg due to injury. he is an asset, a meager, minuscule, next to worthless asset, but still an asset.

actually, as along as they don't play him, i have no trouble with him on the celtics, or staying at home.

I would not mind this also

Re: What is the point of keeping Nelson?
« Reply #22 on: December 22, 2014, 03:37:13 PM »

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To raise his trade value, I guess?

We can get a 2nd round pick for him, that's (correction) $2 million off the books. But he needs to look like a worthwhile acquisition.
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Re: What is the point of keeping Nelson?
« Reply #23 on: December 22, 2014, 05:02:27 PM »

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Re: What is the point of keeping Nelson?
« Reply #24 on: December 22, 2014, 05:26:53 PM »

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Play him, let Stevens figure out a role for him, let him do well, and then trade him.

Now before everyone starts jumping on this and saying I am crazy I ask you to reflect on the Celtic's career of Jordan Crawford.  Two 76er second round picks and Joel Anthony plus we were able to dump Brooks if I remember correctly.

There is no reason to give up on Nelson yet.  I am not worried about stunting the development of Phil Pressey.  I like Phil fine but if he has to sit, he has to sit.

Re: What is the point of keeping Nelson?
« Reply #25 on: December 22, 2014, 05:41:56 PM »

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"The guys need to hear my voice in a serious manner," Nelson said. "I'm a guy that likes to laugh and joke. But before the game, I said some things. Halftime I said some things. It's a young team and they need to hear that. They need to hear guys speak up and help them out. It can't always be the coach."

Is this guy for real?  Let your play do the talking. 

Re: What is the point of keeping Nelson?
« Reply #26 on: December 22, 2014, 05:46:05 PM »

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He could be a good influence on some of the young guys and he fits better than Fav

Re: What is the point of keeping Nelson?
« Reply #27 on: December 22, 2014, 05:56:42 PM »

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"The guys need to hear my voice in a serious manner," Nelson said. "I'm a guy that likes to laugh and joke. But before the game, I said some things. Halftime I said some things. It's a young team and they need to hear that. They need to hear guys speak up and help them out. It can't always be the coach."

Is this guy for real?  Let your play do the talking.
He must not realize this is the team with avery bradley.  A few years ago he couldn't get the ball over mid court with bradley on him and he was upset.  That was more prime nelson by the way.  I've seen his games this year and  :-\

Re: What is the point of keeping Nelson?
« Reply #28 on: December 22, 2014, 06:04:31 PM »

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Nelson is currently our best starting pg... i'll keep him mainly to guide the young pg.Smart  Is not ready. Matter of fact Smart is not a pg. He's a 2 in a pg body like Avery.

Re: What is the point of keeping Nelson?
« Reply #29 on: December 22, 2014, 06:06:16 PM »

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Nelson is currently our best starting pg... i'll keep him mainly to guide the young pg.Smart  Is not ready. Matter of fact Smart is not a pg. He's a 2 in a pg body like Avery.

you think Nelson is a natural pg? He has some of the shakiest handles I've seen

He could not execute simple PNR passes on three occasions yesterday.  2 of those attempts were to wright a guy who he should be familiar playing with by now