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random thoughts on our bigs
« on: December 22, 2014, 10:27:37 AM »

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Please add your own random thoughts.  No need for a flowing cohesive thread just spout your latest thoughts on the Celtics' bigs and what the future will look like.

I love all of our current bigs.  Kelly's slump a couple weeks back was very concerning but he's emerged with enough good play that he's clearly got to be kept.  I love Sully and I think he's a guy who will perform well under playoff pressure.  I love Bass.  Zeller was a great get.  And I love the new guy Wright. 

Of course, the Celtics new style of play under Brad Stevens (or any coach) will not be successful without better defense in the middle.  So the above situation obviously has to change.  Everyone agrees we need some combination of Okafor, Towns, Gasol, DeAndre Jordan, and Embiid.  Let's call that center JEGOT (first letter of each last name)  If we got one of the above loads then Sully is the most likely guy to be traded IMO since those guys would provide the heft that Sully brings. 

JEGOT, Zeller, Wright
Oly, Wright

Are there any other "big load" centers who can take the place of JEGOT?  Dakari Johnson? 
Is Myles Turner a big load?  Who would Myles Turner displace?

If instead we got Willie Cauley Stein, less of a load but more athletic, then I'm guessing we keep Sully and jettison Wright, for a future bigs picture of:

WCS, Zeller, Oly
Sully, Oly

Another guy who might displace Wright is Porzingis, I'm guessing. 

When Sully proves his worth again as this season roles along I'm guessing he would bring a good asset in a trade, certainly more than Wright.  But as always it depends on offers and roster fit.

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« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2014, 11:49:09 AM »

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I love all of our current bigs

Don't quit your dayjob and become a scout.  JK

Sully is talented but lazy.   A saw a play last night where he did not even run down the court for defense.

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I love Sully and I think he's a guy who will perform well under playoff pressure.
Not with his defense and unwillingness to play inside, and really he does not do it in the regular season so why would he in the playoffs.   He vanished in the NCAA at OSU when facing Jeff Whitey.  What gives you on offense, he gives the other team on defense.

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He finished with 11 points on 5-for-19 shooting, no fewer than three of them blocked by Jeff Withey, the Kansas center who finished with seven swats.

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=320912305

The other year  Josh Harrellson  looked like an All Star against him.  Suly played great this game but  Josh Harrellson scored 17 and he normally averaged 7.6 PPG and he is pnly 6-8.5 without shoes but against Sully he thrived.   UK won that game BTW and this was not the Anthony Davis year.  OSU was heavily favored to win.

http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/2011-03-26/uk-stuns-ohio-state-final-seconds

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Of course, the Celtics new style of play under Brad Stevens (or any coach) will not be successful without better defense in the middle.  So the above situation obviously has to change.

Agree TP

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When Sully proves his worth again as this season roles along I'm guessing he would bring a good asset in a trade, certainly more than Wright.  But as always it depends on offers and roster fit.

If we can get someone to drink the kool-aid on him, we should ditch him quickly.  He doesn't play on one end of the court, struggles against real size and athletic ability.    Sully and KO play the same position but KO is adept coming off the bench.   I rather see us move Zeller to the PF, trade Sully and keep KO coming off the bench.  I think Sully would be ok as a bench big.  Him and KO would be a good tandem.   The guy can't defend starters.
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Re: random thoughts on our bigs
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2014, 01:33:23 PM »

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I am not sure any of these players are still going to be here 3-4 years from now.

Bass is clearly on his way out. Zeller and Brandan Wright are fine backups but neither are starting material. Sullinger is a good starting PF but his weight problems make him an uncertain long term bet. Olynyk cannot defend anybody and majority of his good games come against lowest caliber of opposition.

It is not a promising situation. It is more disappointing than promising.

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« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2014, 01:40:22 PM »

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Our bigs are ok, it's the guards that bother me.
Especially Nelson.
I am afraid we are going to play him just to increase any trade value he would have.

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« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2014, 01:47:59 PM »

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I bet Zeller and Sully have the same preference in pizza toppings.

I bet Wright has lied to someone before and claimed to be 7" tall.

At least a goldfish with a Lincoln Log on its back goin' across your floor to your sock drawer has a miraculous connotation to it.

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« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2014, 01:49:42 PM »

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Celtics need a big man that has All-Star potential. I don't care that much about fit. This is a rebuilding team that will have 75+% of it's roster turned over in next 2-3 years. It doesn't matter how they fit. Can always find cheap talent in free agency to cover a hole here or there.

What matters is how valuable of a long term piece somebody is and finding someone who is actually someone you can start to build a team around - which none of Boston's young players have established themselves as thus far.

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« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2014, 01:53:51 PM »

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I question how good a piece WCS is for a team in such an early stage of a rebuilding process.

I mean Boston has good depth and that allows them to be better than most of the truly awful teams in the league ... but that is depth, not star talent. Not something they are can truly build around long term. To win big in this league, you need stars and the Celtics do not have any. The youth they do have is highly questionable to become stars down the road.

I question how useful an all-defense no offense player like WCS is for a rebuilding team in such an early stage of it's development. I mean, he sounds like he'd be a great piece when you already have Durant and Westbrook in place ... but when you have no Durant and no Westbrook? Is WCS really that valuable?

I think Boston should be looking for more of a two-way talent than WCS if at all possible with their lottery pick this summer.

I think WCS is more of a later piece to the puzzle than the first piece of a puzzle.

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« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2014, 01:54:27 PM »

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No need for a flowing cohesive thread

Since when is that expected?
Philly:

Anderson Varejao    Tiago Splitter    Matt Bonner
David West    Kenyon Martin    Brad Miller
Andre Iguodala    Josh Childress    Marquis Daniels
Dwyane Wade    Leandro Barbosa
Kirk Hinrich    Toney Douglas   + the legendary Kevin McHale

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Re: random thoughts on our bigs
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2014, 04:35:53 PM »

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I question how good a piece WCS is for a team in such an early stage of a rebuilding process.

I mean Boston has good depth and that allows them to be better than most of the truly awful teams in the league ... but that is depth, not star talent. Not something they are can truly build around long term. To win big in this league, you need stars and the Celtics do not have any. The youth they do have is highly questionable to become stars down the road.

I question how useful an all-defense no offense player like WCS is for a rebuilding team in such an early stage of it's development. I mean, he sounds like he'd be a great piece when you already have Durant and Westbrook in place ... but when you have no Durant and no Westbrook? Is WCS really that valuable?

I think Boston should be looking for more of a two-way talent than WCS if at all possible with their lottery pick this summer.

I think WCS is more of a later piece to the puzzle than the first piece of a puzzle.

Disagree a bit here.  I think WCS will have plenty of developing to do once he arrives.  It might take him 2-3 years to be a truly effective defensive specialist, and if he's going to be a great one of those then he's worth drafting and waiting for.  Have no idea if he's a good fit with the BS program or not or if he's liked by Ainge.  It's definitely more fun to crush on other bigs like Myles Turner, Town and Okafor.  BTW, I'm not a big fan of massive tattoos on the neck! Give me a clean-necked center...

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I bet Zeller and Sully have the same preference in pizza toppings.

I bet Wright has lied to someone before and claimed to be 7" tall.

lol...ok you are embracing the title of the thread I like it.

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« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2014, 04:45:46 PM »

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I bet Zeller and Sully have the same preference in pizza toppings.

I bet Wright has lied to someone before and claimed to be 7" tall.

lol...ok you are embracing the title of the thread I like it.

He is to invitations what sharks are to blood!   :)

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« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2014, 04:46:21 PM »

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1) They're realllllyyyyy tall.
2) They're also really big.
3) I don't think I could carry any of them.
4) Brendan Wright has a pretty long neck, especially in proportion to his face.
5) Olynyk is white. So is Zeller.
6) Olynyk also can't jump, although it is completely unrelated. Sully can't jump either.
7) Brendan Wright can SKY sometimes.
8) Zeller has a nice jump hook. (the 8 followed by a closed parenthesis turned into an emoticon)
9) Sully has a nice "plow into a guy and hold your arm out as far away from the defender as possible to flip it in and compensate for height and leaping disadvantages" shot.
10) Bass is a stand up guy.
11) But he is most likely gone soon.
12) Olynyk has some great shot form.
13) Sullinger palms the ball and sticks it out before he shoots a free throw.
14) Bass is trying to dribble recently and I've almost had heart attacks when he goes behind the back.

EDIT: Here's a really cool picture of brendan wright I found on the internet


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I bet Zeller and Sully have the same preference in pizza toppings.

I bet Wright has lied to someone before and claimed to be 7" tall.

lol...ok you are embracing the title of the thread I like it.

He is to invitations what sharks are to blood!   :)

 ;D

TP for both of you.
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I question how good a piece WCS is for a team in such an early stage of a rebuilding process.

I mean Boston has good depth and that allows them to be better than most of the truly awful teams in the league ... but that is depth, not star talent. Not something they are can truly build around long term. To win big in this league, you need stars and the Celtics do not have any. The youth they do have is highly questionable to become stars down the road.

I question how useful an all-defense no offense player like WCS is for a rebuilding team in such an early stage of it's development. I mean, he sounds like he'd be a great piece when you already have Durant and Westbrook in place ... but when you have no Durant and no Westbrook? Is WCS really that valuable?

I think Boston should be looking for more of a two-way talent than WCS if at all possible with their lottery pick this summer.

I think WCS is more of a later piece to the puzzle than the first piece of a puzzle.
why yes, i am sure the celtics, and every other team, would love to get a center who can play defense and score. but that is the rub isn't it? high demand for a low supply. folks like that just aren't available to many teams.

should the celtics select WCS in the draft, i am sure it was because okafur and towns were not available.
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