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Re: Jameer Nelson - Analysis and Discussion
« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2014, 05:21:05 PM »

Offline LarBrd33

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NEVER liked Jameer.  Always felt he was overrated in Orlando.  The fans were nuts about him and it rubbed me the wrong way (Orlando vs Boston was a thing back then).  He wasn't that good.

I wanted nothing to do with him.  I think there's a 0.001% chance he's on the team next year.  We are either going to trade the guy or buy him out.  He makes no sense here. 

So now that I got that out of the way...  he actually didn't play too bad the last couple games.  And whether the idea is to showcase him or keep the lockerroom dynamic healthy, it appears Jameer is going to have a big part of the rotation in the near-term... so let's talk about him as a player...

What the heck happened to his shot?  He used to be a pretty dangerous shooter and has been under 40% for the last 4 years.  Sup with that?   

I guess it's probably worth mentioning that in his prime, only about 32% of his shots were three point shots.   Compare that to what he did in Dallas... about 63% of his shots were three point shots.  He's been used as a three point specialist.  He made sense in Dallas, because that was a free-flowing offense that required spacing and ball movement.   So when you look at his shooting percentages of 37%/37%/87%, realize that the vast majority of his shots are from behind the arc.    His true shooting percentage is 50%.... Not great, but definitely higher than Rondo's 42%.

Also interesting to see his last two games... 11 assists and 8 assists.  He had only been averaging 4 assists in Dallas' free-flowing offense.  This makes sense, because the ball was primarily being controlled by Monta Ellis (keep an eye on the Ellis/Rondo dynamic as the season progresses).  Brad Stevens actually wants to move more towards that free-flowing "space and pace" offense that the Spurs and Mavs have run so effectively... so it's interesting that Nelson has been able to rack up assists in his last couple games.  My guess is it's because the team is still shaking off the remnants of Rondo's oppressive ball-dominating system. 

So Nelson can still be a mildy threat out there from deep.  He should help with spacing when he's on the court, because teams need to respect his 3-ball.  He's also an effective free-throw shooter which means he will not completely disappear down the stretch. 

His defense is terrible, though.  He'll only be of benefit on the offensive end.  And again, I'll be shocked if he's still wearing a Celtic jersey in March. 

Re: Jameer Nelson - Analysis and Discussion
« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2014, 11:18:24 PM »

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He is going to have a good time here. He is not a natural pg and excels in running around picks and making jump shots. Like bayless, mo williams. We got a very good passers on the team , especially our bigs

Dont think he has much of a future here and plus next season is prob his last in the nba , but if we do make the playoffs, nelson can help and has the experience.

playoffs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3-eavMSBnk

Re: Jameer Nelson - Analysis and Discussion
« Reply #17 on: December 27, 2014, 11:40:47 PM »

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His legs appear too short for his body. Could just be because one (or both?) turn inward. Hard to tell with this guy. Will need to keep an eye out on those legs.
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Re: Jameer Nelson - Analysis and Discussion
« Reply #18 on: December 28, 2014, 12:38:40 AM »

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He is going to have a good time here. He is not a natural pg and excels in running around picks and making jump shots. Like bayless, mo williams. We got a very good passers on the team , especially our bigs

Dont think he has much of a future here and plus next season is prob his last in the nba , but if we do make the playoffs, nelson can help and has the experience.

playoffs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3-eavMSBnk

2 games out. Long way to go.

Re: Jameer Nelson - Analysis and Discussion
« Reply #19 on: December 28, 2014, 09:03:29 AM »

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NEVER liked Jameer.  Always felt he was overrated in Orlando.  The fans were nuts about him and it rubbed me the wrong way (Orlando vs Boston was a thing back then).  He wasn't that good.

I wanted nothing to do with him.  I think there's a 0.001% chance he's on the team next year.  We are either going to trade the guy or buy him out.  He makes no sense here. 

So now that I got that out of the way...  he actually didn't play too bad the last couple games.  And whether the idea is to showcase him or keep the lockerroom dynamic healthy, it appears Jameer is going to have a big part of the rotation in the near-term... so let's talk about him as a player...

What the heck happened to his shot?  He used to be a pretty dangerous shooter and has been under 40% for the last 4 years.  Sup with that?   

I guess it's probably worth mentioning that in his prime, only about 32% of his shots were three point shots.   Compare that to what he did in Dallas... about 63% of his shots were three point shots.  He's been used as a three point specialist.  He made sense in Dallas, because that was a free-flowing offense that required spacing and ball movement.   So when you look at his shooting percentages of 37%/37%/87%, realize that the vast majority of his shots are from behind the arc.    His true shooting percentage is 50%.... Not great, but definitely higher than Rondo's 42%.

Also interesting to see his last two games... 11 assists and 8 assists.  He had only been averaging 4 assists in Dallas' free-flowing offense.  This makes sense, because the ball was primarily being controlled by Monta Ellis (keep an eye on the Ellis/Rondo dynamic as the season progresses).  Brad Stevens actually wants to move more towards that free-flowing "space and pace" offense that the Spurs and Mavs have run so effectively... so it's interesting that Nelson has been able to rack up assists in his last couple games.  My guess is it's because the team is still shaking off the remnants of Rondo's oppressive ball-dominating system. 

So Nelson can still be a mildy threat out there from deep.  He should help with spacing when he's on the court, because teams need to respect his 3-ball.  He's also an effective free-throw shooter which means he will not completely disappear down the stretch. 

His defense is terrible, though.  He'll only be of benefit on the offensive end.  And again, I'll be shocked if he's still wearing a Celtic jersey in March.
Great analysis, especially on the statistical end. Are you being paid to do this?  ;D

Re: Jameer Nelson - Analysis and Discussion
« Reply #20 on: December 28, 2014, 10:23:15 AM »

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NEVER liked Jameer.  Always felt he was overrated in Orlando.  The fans were nuts about him and it rubbed me the wrong way (Orlando vs Boston was a thing back then).  He wasn't that good.

I wanted nothing to do with him.  I think there's a 0.001% chance he's on the team next year.  We are either going to trade the guy or buy him out.  He makes no sense here. 

So now that I got that out of the way...  he actually didn't play too bad the last couple games.  And whether the idea is to showcase him or keep the lockerroom dynamic healthy, it appears Jameer is going to have a big part of the rotation in the near-term... so let's talk about him as a player...

What the heck happened to his shot?  He used to be a pretty dangerous shooter and has been under 40% for the last 4 years.  Sup with that?   

I guess it's probably worth mentioning that in his prime, only about 32% of his shots were three point shots.   Compare that to what he did in Dallas... about 63% of his shots were three point shots.  He's been used as a three point specialist.  He made sense in Dallas, because that was a free-flowing offense that required spacing and ball movement.   So when you look at his shooting percentages of 37%/37%/87%, realize that the vast majority of his shots are from behind the arc.    His true shooting percentage is 50%.... Not great, but definitely higher than Rondo's 42%.

Also interesting to see his last two games... 11 assists and 8 assists.  He had only been averaging 4 assists in Dallas' free-flowing offense.  This makes sense, because the ball was primarily being controlled by Monta Ellis (keep an eye on the Ellis/Rondo dynamic as the season progresses).  Brad Stevens actually wants to move more towards that free-flowing "space and pace" offense that the Spurs and Mavs have run so effectively... so it's interesting that Nelson has been able to rack up assists in his last couple games.  My guess is it's because the team is still shaking off the remnants of Rondo's oppressive ball-dominating system. 

So Nelson can still be a mildy threat out there from deep.  He should help with spacing when he's on the court, because teams need to respect his 3-ball.  He's also an effective free-throw shooter which means he will not completely disappear down the stretch. 

His defense is terrible, though.  He'll only be of benefit on the offensive end.  And again, I'll be shocked if he's still wearing a Celtic jersey in March.

I don't hate the dude. but his overratedness over the yr's. is what made me unable to tolerate or like anything about him. the praise this guy got throughout his career is unbelievable for a guy whose shot selection hasn't changed since he was a rookie and it's horrible. I've heard him called a good defender a time or 2 over the yr's and i'm still waiting to see it.

it really makes me wonder if some guys pay the analysts and commentators to hype them up to ridiculous levels. because some analysts and commentators threw some outrageous comments out there about this guy, based on absolutely nothing. 

Re: Jameer Nelson - Analysis and Discussion
« Reply #21 on: December 28, 2014, 11:31:27 AM »

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He is a rental as I see it.

Re: Jameer Nelson - Analysis and Discussion
« Reply #22 on: December 28, 2014, 11:43:56 AM »

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Good, solid backup who can start when needed. Better option than Pressey at the backup pg spot.

Re: Jameer Nelson - Analysis and Discussion
« Reply #23 on: December 28, 2014, 12:52:09 PM »

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Good, solid backup who can start when needed. Better option than Pressey at the backup pg spot.

yup and that's all he's been his whole career.

Re: Jameer Nelson - Analysis and Discussion
« Reply #24 on: December 28, 2014, 01:25:15 PM »

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I doubt Nelson will be with us long enough to analyze.

Re: Jameer Nelson - Analysis and Discussion
« Reply #25 on: December 28, 2014, 02:14:45 PM »

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I watched both the NJ and DC games. Nelson sagged below nearly every screen and does not have the lateral quickness to keep up with his man on defense. Plus, he was frequently hounded by his defender while dribbling the ball in the back court leading to a trap which usually forced a less than strategic pass. I also noticed he seems to have a blind spot on his right side; he missed wide open teammates in favor of making dangerous one-handed passes to the left wing over the defense from just right of center at the 3-point line while a shooter had open shots to his right. Never mind the fact that his height is a "huge" disadvantage for him on interior passes because he cannot see or sense an open man through defenders around the basket. However, the most frustrating aspect of his game for me is how he fails to push the ball into the front court on the "up quick". He really must do this in order to maximize his lack of height.

All that being said, I don't have anything against his character. He seems like a genuinely nice human being.