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Re: Celtics (10-14) at Heat (12-15) Game #25 12/21/14
« Reply #315 on: December 21, 2014, 08:33:16 PM »

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Cold night.   22 ast despite missing so many easy shots.   

I don't find it acceptable that coach is ok with Smart jacking up 3's.

Happy for Wright to take Bass's minutes.

Re: Celtics (10-14) at Heat (12-15) Game #25 12/21/14
« Reply #316 on: December 21, 2014, 08:34:01 PM »

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The C's had zero fast break points tonight: "We saw none of the uptempo game, this was what I call half fast."

ZERO! That's not going to win you games. They have to get use to each other still.

Re: Celtics (10-14) at Heat (12-15) Game #25 12/21/14
« Reply #317 on: December 21, 2014, 08:35:28 PM »

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Marcus Smart is shooting under 35% FG% and under 30% 3PT%.

All of his shots tonight were 3 pointers. On the season, 2/3rds of his shots are 3s.

I'm concerned he can't beat his man off the dribble at this level. And if that's true, his long term value is dramatically reduced.

Me too

Yeah he looks a little slow... doesn't have that Westbrook first step, though he can easily be more aggressive than he's shown. He had some nice plays vs the Wizards a few weeks back and that really nice up and under against the Wolves. He just isn't looking for his offense, camping on the perimeter which is why his shots are 3s

Re: Celtics (10-14) at Heat (12-15) Game #25 12/21/14
« Reply #318 on: December 21, 2014, 08:38:19 PM »

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I don't find it acceptable that coach is ok with Smart jacking up 3's.


As I and others have wondered, can he even drive the lane at this level? We might have to throw the Tony Allen comparison out, let alone think of him as a PG. That jacked up howitzer 3 might be his only weapon. Maybe he's still hurt.

Re: Celtics (10-14) at Heat (12-15) Game #25 12/21/14
« Reply #319 on: December 21, 2014, 08:43:12 PM »

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I don't find it acceptable that coach is ok with Smart jacking up 3's.


As I and others have wondered, can he even drive the lane at this level? We might have to throw the Tony Allen comparison out, let alone think of him as a PG. That jacked up howitzer 3 might be his only weapon. Maybe he's still hurt.

Conventional wisdom around draft time was that Smart got to the basket in college not because of his quick first step, but his brute, bulldog strength.  He's a good sized kid, but it's not nearly as easy to overpower opposing NBA guards as it college kids.

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« Reply #320 on: December 21, 2014, 08:44:03 PM »

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In 12 games Marcus Smart has taken eight less 3s than Wade did in 61 games, in his rookie season.

Re: Celtics (10-14) at Heat (12-15) Game #25 12/21/14
« Reply #321 on: December 21, 2014, 08:45:49 PM »

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I don't find it acceptable that coach is ok with Smart jacking up 3's.


As I and others have wondered, can he even drive the lane at this level? We might have to throw the Tony Allen comparison out, let alone think of him as a PG. That jacked up howitzer 3 might be his only weapon. Maybe he's still hurt.

Naw, he's not even been looking to drive. He's been very tentative. Stevens thinks he plays better as the PG, but to me it seems like he prefers playing off of the ball.

Re: Celtics (10-14) at Heat (12-15) Game #25 12/21/14
« Reply #322 on: December 21, 2014, 08:45:54 PM »

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I don't find it acceptable that coach is ok with Smart jacking up 3's.


As I and others have wondered, can he even drive the lane at this level? We might have to throw the Tony Allen comparison out, let alone think of him as a PG. That jacked up howitzer 3 might be his only weapon. Maybe he's still hurt.

There was a thread earlier today asking if Jimmy Butler is an All Star.  As a 22 year old rookie, he averaged 2.6 points per game.  Smart is a 20 year old rookie who's battled injuries this year.  I wouldn't worry about Smart just yet.

Re: Celtics (10-14) at Heat (12-15) Game #25 12/21/14
« Reply #323 on: December 21, 2014, 08:46:24 PM »

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I don't find it acceptable that coach is ok with Smart jacking up 3's.

Stevens is happy with Pressey jacking up 3's.  I'm surprised Zeller hasn't started shooting them.

A loss like this is frustrating but a stretch of winning 3 out of 4 is good for this team.  They are too young and lack elite talent.  I just wish I could be sure our genius coach has a handle on things like defense and game-management at this level.

Mike

Re: Celtics (10-14) at Heat (12-15) Game #25 12/21/14
« Reply #324 on: December 21, 2014, 08:47:02 PM »

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I don't find it acceptable that coach is ok with Smart jacking up 3's.


As I and others have wondered, can he even drive the lane at this level? We might have to throw the Tony Allen comparison out, let alone think of him as a PG. That jacked up howitzer 3 might be his only weapon. Maybe he's still hurt.

Conventional wisdom around draft time was that Smart got to the basket in college not because of his quick first step, but his brute, bulldog strength.  He's a good sized kid, but it's not nearly as easy to overpower opposing NBA guards as it college kids.

When have you even seen him try, though? He could've used his strength against both Cole and Chalmers tonight, but he's just been tentative about driving and penetrating. He's still finding his place in the offense.

Re: Celtics (10-14) at Heat (12-15) Game #25 12/21/14
« Reply #325 on: December 21, 2014, 08:50:16 PM »

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Marcus Smart is shooting under 35% FG% and under 30% 3PT%.

All of his shots tonight were 3 pointers. On the season, 2/3rds of his shots are 3s.

I'm concerned he can't beat his man off the dribble at this level. And if that's true, his long term value is dramatically reduced.

Me too

But he doesnt look like he's trying though?
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Re: Celtics (10-14) at Heat (12-15) Game #25 12/21/14
« Reply #326 on: December 21, 2014, 08:50:38 PM »

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I don't find it acceptable that coach is ok with Smart jacking up 3's.


As I and others have wondered, can he even drive the lane at this level? We might have to throw the Tony Allen comparison out, let alone think of him as a PG. That jacked up howitzer 3 might be his only weapon. Maybe he's still hurt.

Conventional wisdom around draft time was that Smart got to the basket in college not because of his quick first step, but his brute, bulldog strength.  He's a good sized kid, but it's not nearly as easy to overpower opposing NBA guards as it college kids.

Yup. And this is why I thought it may be best to develop him as 2 than a point. He doesn't have the explosion and quickness of a Westbrook where he can get to the rim at will. And he's an okay playmaker, but not good enough to be considered special in that area. They probably should work on fixing that hitch in shot and his midrange game.
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Re: Celtics (10-14) at Heat (12-15) Game #25 12/21/14
« Reply #327 on: December 21, 2014, 08:55:45 PM »

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Marcus Smart is shooting under 35% FG% and under 30% 3PT%.

All of his shots tonight were 3 pointers. On the season, 2/3rds of his shots are 3s.

I'm concerned he can't beat his man off the dribble at this level. And if that's true, his long term value is dramatically reduced.

Me too

But he doesnt look like he's trying though?

Okay, let's assume you're right. Why isn't he trying? He's clearly not hesitant to shoot.  Why is he hesitant to drive? 

Re: Celtics (10-14) at Heat (12-15) Game #25 12/21/14
« Reply #328 on: December 21, 2014, 09:00:05 PM »

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Marcus Smart is shooting under 35% FG% and under 30% 3PT%.

All of his shots tonight were 3 pointers. On the season, 2/3rds of his shots are 3s.

I'm concerned he can't beat his man off the dribble at this level. And if that's true, his long term value is dramatically reduced.

Me too

But he doesnt look like he's trying though?

Okay, let's assume you're right. Why isn't he trying? He's clearly not hesitant to shoot.  Why is he hesitant to drive?

Good point.

I just thought I saw a guy who would chuck threes and stick to the play, which is good. But sometimes you gotta take over when you see an advantage. I didnt see that in him tonight.
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Re: Celtics (10-14) at Heat (12-15) Game #25 12/21/14
« Reply #329 on: December 21, 2014, 09:00:57 PM »

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Big difference in this team when someone actually plays team defense against them.  Way too many TO's, passes getting deflected, timing getting thrown off etc.  Also no one could make a basket during stretches where Miami was missing.  And for what it's worth Bradley really stunk tonight.