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Re: We actually look better
« Reply #90 on: December 20, 2014, 02:00:02 AM »

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It's sad to see so much hate poured on Rondo.......

Of course.

This blog will have a fit now that he's gone.

Wait until Jeff Green is traded....then this blog will implode upon itself, like a Green Black Hole.



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Re: We actually look better
« Reply #91 on: December 20, 2014, 02:01:17 AM »

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From your posts, that's been the only logical conclusion, quite honestly.  I just don't understand why people were so willing to trade a guy like Rondo for, wait, what did we get for him again?  Oh right - nothing.  Unbelievable.
You mean the guy that couldn't average 10 ppg on a team where the top scorer is Jeff Green? What did you think he was worth, again?

They're living in the past. Too caught up in Rondo's performances from 2012 and older to pay any attention to his actual impact, or lack thereof, on the game now.

Beat LA, you constantly harp on the return being "nothing", but isn't that actually an indictment on Rondo? Ainge scoured the league and the "nothing" package you moan about is the absolute best he could get back. That says much more about Rondo's current status as a player, then it does about Ainge as a GM. If only Rondo were regarded as a better player, say a top 30 guy like you often claim, then surely the return would've been better. Would it not?

Nope.  I'm sorry, but this is all about Ainge to me, because for those of you who believe that Danny is such a great gm and that he was responsible for extending the window of the then-Big Three, the guy that you should be praising for our extended run is Rondo.  Say what you will for the guy, but if he hadn't grown into the player that he is today (and yes, I can hear all of you saying, "what, you mean a grossly overrated role player?"), we would not have achieved anywhere near the success that we did even as the Big Three aged.  It was Rondo who still made them look like world beaters.  It was Rondo who made their jobs so much easier when they could no longer consistently create their own offense, and it was Rondo who became our most indispensable player once Garnett got injured.  Ainge had plenty of chances to rebuild and retool on the fly, and he failed at each and every opportunity to give us a much better transition from one era to the next without all of this mess.  It never should have come to this.  Do you think that Ainge would have been able to get what he did (which I will always hate as a transaction just as much as this most recent one.  I don't care how many picks he got for them - those guys are legends, for which you never get equal value.  I'd feel perhaps somewhat better about those draft choices if Ainge could actually select good players, but he only serves to compound his mistake in this regard, imo.) for KG and Pierce if they had been playing with Deron Williams?  Right.  Do you think that Avery Bradley would have gotten anywhere near that turd of a contract had he not played with Rondo?  Right.

I know that Rondo might not have had the best defense this year, but Bradley hasn't been a shining star, either, and I think that a lot of that has to do with the fact that Garnett is no longer quarterbacking our defense.  KG made a 36 year old Ray Allen with bone spurs still look like a competent defensive player, for crying out loud, and that's really the point of all of this - those guys not only fit so well together, but they also made each other better players.  Danny had his chances, and he blew it.  Year after year after year.  The transition should have been a lot smoother, imo.

Whose front office traded for the necessary pick to select Rajon Rondo in the early 20s? Danny Ainge's.

So long as we're using hindsight, Danny Ainge offered the best package for Chris Paul only to be rejected and had David West slip through his fingers. As someone's sig around here says, imagine if the stars had aligned...

They may or may not win a championship.....

Well, we know for sure that we didn't win a championship with Rondo as the best player on the team. Maybe is better than definitely not.

Also, why isn't some of this criticism directed at Doc Rivers, who failed to get anything out of Courtney Lee and Jason Terry (and for some time, Jeff Green)?

Because it's all Rondo's fault  ::).

Not what I said...



I was answering your question regarding Doc Rivers (laced with saracasm obviously.)

Re: We actually look better
« Reply #92 on: December 20, 2014, 02:09:44 AM »

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we are either going to be better or about the same.  We have three years of evidence that Rondo doesnt matter.  There's a chance he ruins the Dallas offense.

The great Rick Carlisle would beg to differ with you on that.
Nash, Kidd, Rondo. All Dirk's sidekicks.
There's a reason they went after him.

They're a legit contender now.

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Re: We actually look better
« Reply #93 on: December 20, 2014, 02:12:22 AM »

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It's sad to see so much hate poured on Rondo.......

Of course.

This blog will have a fit now that he's gone.

Wait until Jeff Green is traded....then this blog will implode upon itself, like a Green Black Hole.



We just won't have anyone to hate anymore.

"Celtics fans" always find the next scapegoat up.
The beatings will continue until morale improves

Re: We actually look better
« Reply #94 on: December 20, 2014, 02:14:36 AM »

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From your posts, that's been the only logical conclusion, quite honestly.  I just don't understand why people were so willing to trade a guy like Rondo for, wait, what did we get for him again?  Oh right - nothing.  Unbelievable.
You mean the guy that couldn't average 10 ppg on a team where the top scorer is Jeff Green? What did you think he was worth, again?

They're living in the past. Too caught up in Rondo's performances from 2012 and older to pay any attention to his actual impact, or lack thereof, on the game now.

Beat LA, you constantly harp on the return being "nothing", but isn't that actually an indictment on Rondo? Ainge scoured the league and the "nothing" package you moan about is the absolute best he could get back. That says much more about Rondo's current status as a player, then it does about Ainge as a GM. If only Rondo were regarded as a better player, say a top 30 guy like you often claim, then surely the return would've been better. Would it not?

Nope.  I'm sorry, but this is all about Ainge to me, because for those of you who believe that Danny is such a great gm and that he was responsible for extending the window of the then-Big Three, the guy that you should be praising for our extended run is Rondo.  Say what you will for the guy, but if he hadn't grown into the player that he is today (and yes, I can hear all of you saying, "what, you mean a grossly overrated role player?"), we would not have achieved anywhere near the success that we did even as the Big Three aged.  It was Rondo who still made them look like world beaters.  It was Rondo who made their jobs so much easier when they could no longer consistently create their own offense, and it was Rondo who became our most indispensable player once Garnett got injured.  Ainge had plenty of chances to rebuild and retool on the fly, and he failed at each and every opportunity to give us a much better transition from one era to the next without all of this mess.  It never should have come to this.  Do you think that Ainge would have been able to get what he did (which I will always hate as a transaction just as much as this most recent one.  I don't care how many picks he got for them - those guys are legends, for which you never get equal value.  I'd feel perhaps somewhat better about those draft choices if Ainge could actually select good players, but he only serves to compound his mistake in this regard, imo.) for KG and Pierce if they had been playing with Deron Williams?  Right.  Do you think that Avery Bradley would have gotten anywhere near that turd of a contract had he not played with Rondo?  Right.

I know that Rondo might not have had the best defense this year, but Bradley hasn't been a shining star, either, and I think that a lot of that has to do with the fact that Garnett is no longer quarterbacking our defense.  KG made a 36 year old Ray Allen with bone spurs still look like a competent defensive player, for crying out loud, and that's really the point of all of this - those guys not only fit so well together, but they also made each other better players.  Danny had his chances, and he blew it.  Year after year after year.  The transition should have been a lot smoother, imo.

Whose front office traded for the necessary pick to select Rajon Rondo in the early 20s? Danny Ainge's.

So long as we're using hindsight, Danny Ainge offered the best package for Chris Paul only to be rejected and had David West slip through his fingers. As someone's sig around here says, imagine if the stars had aligned...

I'm not using hindsight at all, and yes, I do give Ainge credit for taking Rondo - provided that he was the one who actually wanted him.  Wasn't that pick originally from the Lakers in the Gary Payton deal, and then we traded it to Atlanta when we reacquired Antoine, who then shipped it to Phoenix in a sign and trade for Joe Johnson, or am I confusing this with something else.  Lol, my head hurts. ;D

Re: We actually look better
« Reply #95 on: December 20, 2014, 02:22:18 AM »

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No lazy defense.

No pounding the rock.

No bad attitudes.

No slowing down the pace.

Uptempo, here we come.

Yeah sure, whatever!!!!
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Re: We actually look better
« Reply #96 on: December 20, 2014, 02:29:07 AM »

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Not what I said...



I was answering your question regarding Doc Rivers (laced with saracasm obviously.)

Ah, my bad  ;D

From your posts, that's been the only logical conclusion, quite honestly.  I just don't understand why people were so willing to trade a guy like Rondo for, wait, what did we get for him again?  Oh right - nothing.  Unbelievable.
You mean the guy that couldn't average 10 ppg on a team where the top scorer is Jeff Green? What did you think he was worth, again?

They're living in the past. Too caught up in Rondo's performances from 2012 and older to pay any attention to his actual impact, or lack thereof, on the game now.

Beat LA, you constantly harp on the return being "nothing", but isn't that actually an indictment on Rondo? Ainge scoured the league and the "nothing" package you moan about is the absolute best he could get back. That says much more about Rondo's current status as a player, then it does about Ainge as a GM. If only Rondo were regarded as a better player, say a top 30 guy like you often claim, then surely the return would've been better. Would it not?

Nope.  I'm sorry, but this is all about Ainge to me, because for those of you who believe that Danny is such a great gm and that he was responsible for extending the window of the then-Big Three, the guy that you should be praising for our extended run is Rondo.  Say what you will for the guy, but if he hadn't grown into the player that he is today (and yes, I can hear all of you saying, "what, you mean a grossly overrated role player?"), we would not have achieved anywhere near the success that we did even as the Big Three aged.  It was Rondo who still made them look like world beaters.  It was Rondo who made their jobs so much easier when they could no longer consistently create their own offense, and it was Rondo who became our most indispensable player once Garnett got injured.  Ainge had plenty of chances to rebuild and retool on the fly, and he failed at each and every opportunity to give us a much better transition from one era to the next without all of this mess.  It never should have come to this.  Do you think that Ainge would have been able to get what he did (which I will always hate as a transaction just as much as this most recent one.  I don't care how many picks he got for them - those guys are legends, for which you never get equal value.  I'd feel perhaps somewhat better about those draft choices if Ainge could actually select good players, but he only serves to compound his mistake in this regard, imo.) for KG and Pierce if they had been playing with Deron Williams?  Right.  Do you think that Avery Bradley would have gotten anywhere near that turd of a contract had he not played with Rondo?  Right.

I know that Rondo might not have had the best defense this year, but Bradley hasn't been a shining star, either, and I think that a lot of that has to do with the fact that Garnett is no longer quarterbacking our defense.  KG made a 36 year old Ray Allen with bone spurs still look like a competent defensive player, for crying out loud, and that's really the point of all of this - those guys not only fit so well together, but they also made each other better players.  Danny had his chances, and he blew it.  Year after year after year.  The transition should have been a lot smoother, imo.

Whose front office traded for the necessary pick to select Rajon Rondo in the early 20s? Danny Ainge's.

So long as we're using hindsight, Danny Ainge offered the best package for Chris Paul only to be rejected and had David West slip through his fingers. As someone's sig around here says, imagine if the stars had aligned...

I'm not using hindsight at all, and yes, I do give Ainge credit for taking Rondo - provided that he was the one who actually wanted him.  Wasn't that pick originally from the Lakers in the Gary Payton deal, and then we traded it to Atlanta when we reacquired Antoine, who then shipped it to Phoenix in a sign and trade for Joe Johnson, or am I confusing this with something else.  Lol, my head hurts. ;D

I find it hard to believe they would actually trade for the pick just to select him if Ainge didn't want him. Ainge reportedly is one of Rondo's biggest fans in the front office.


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Re: We actually look better
« Reply #97 on: December 20, 2014, 02:29:57 AM »

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Bottom line is we won tonight.   That's all i'm happy about

Re: We actually look better
« Reply #98 on: December 20, 2014, 02:43:53 AM »

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Bottom line is we won tonight.   That's all i'm happy about

Yep, we won some games after Larry, McHale and Chief's era too, huh?

Because that era is where I fear we're headed.

I'm guessing you are too young to remember the Lean Years? (See early 90's - early 2000's).

Strap yourselves in, boys and girls.

Re: We actually look better
« Reply #99 on: December 20, 2014, 03:03:16 AM »

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Once we trade Jeff, pencil us in for the NBA finals, Summer 2015, Baby.

If we look "this" good by trading Rondo, wait until they get a load of us sans Jeff.

Re: We actually look better
« Reply #100 on: December 20, 2014, 03:06:15 AM »

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Well, I'm over it now. I don't want our team to lose or be bad just to prove that RR is a great player. I WANT us to be better without RR because, NEWS FLASH, he doesn't play for us anymore! I WANT WHAT'S BEST FOR THE CELTICS. Heck no I'm not rooting for the Mavs unless it's when we don't have their pick and/or they are already in the playoffs! I want them to do w/e it is that gives us the best pick from them!


I still love RR and what he did for the team! I don't want us to be bad or DA to fail just to prove myself right about RR being great, because it's not about him anymore, it's about the Celtics! I'll do like the players and wish him the best but worry about the guys in OUR locker room!


Go Wright, Crowder, and *cough* Nelson!!!!!! GO CELTICS!!!
It takes me 3hrs to get to Miami and 1hr to get to Orlando... but I *SPIT* on their NBA teams! "Bless God and bless the (Celts)"-Lady GaGa (she said gays but she really meant Celts)

Re: We actually look better
« Reply #101 on: December 20, 2014, 03:09:52 AM »

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Bottom line is we won tonight.   That's all i'm happy about

Yep, we won some games after Larry, McHale and Chief's era too, huh?

Because that era is where I fear we're headed.

I'm guessing you are too young to remember the Lean Years? (See early 90's - early 2000's).

Strap yourselves in, boys and girls.

I didn't start watching the Cs until the early 2000s, but I think it's quite clear that a lot of bad luck went into that. Obviously the deaths of Len Bias and Reggie Lewis come to mind. The rapid deterioration of Larry Bird also cannot be ignored. Then ultimately the Cs suffered from bad management. Say what you want about Ainge and Stevens, but the former has proven himself as a championship-caliber GM while the latter has demonstrated an ability to develop assets and act in accordance with our well-respected front office.

I don't see the Celtics' current state of affairs as being comparable to the '90s Celtics. If anything I see it as being comparable to post-Antoine Boston. While we don't have a Paul Pierce yet, we have the ability to make a KG-like acquisition now in just year 2 of Ainge's second rebuild. If Ainge hits on merely one of his six first rounders and 10 total picks over the next two years, our future is looking really good.


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Re: We actually look better
« Reply #102 on: December 20, 2014, 03:09:59 AM »

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Bottom line is we won tonight.   That's all i'm happy about

Yep, we won some games after Larry, McHale and Chief's era too, huh?

Because that era is where I fear we're headed.

I'm guessing you are too young to remember the Lean Years? (See early 90's - early 2000's).

Strap yourselves in, boys and girls.

Well said, TP.  Sigh.  I unfortunately agree with you, lol. ;D

Re: We actually look better
« Reply #103 on: December 20, 2014, 03:11:33 AM »

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Could we possibly just leave Nelson in Florida, lol? ;D  He just doesn't fit on this team.

Re: We actually look better
« Reply #104 on: December 20, 2014, 03:13:06 AM »

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Look, I'll always Bleed Green.

I do welcome in Brandan, Jameer, and Crowder.

Please excuse my bouts of sarcasm...you all will probably be seeing a lot of this from me for a while.

I'm going to wrestle with this trade for a while.