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Ainge: In a nutshell
« on: December 19, 2014, 03:17:46 AM »

Offline tarheelsxxiii

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I'm ready for the backlash. I could go on for days...

I have repeatedly said we were gifted with a championship when McHale sent KG our way.
Now... please take a step back and consider Ainge's ties to Carlisle. I'll admit Rondo has been far from superb... but at the same time, I think he'll flourish in Dallas. So given Ainge's ties to Carlisle, can any one honestly protest that this isn't another friendship move? Another move that corroborates the fact that McHale won us a championship? For any one that can't see Ainge's angles, I feel bad for you... he's a complete scrub - only time will tell when his whiny butt gets canned. Till then, let's keep moving up in drafts for KO, and steal guys like Fab Melo.

If you want to make the Rondo/Perk argument, it's going to fall on deaf ears. 3 HOFers make life a lot easier for a superb craftsman/distributor and a wholeheartedly dedicated rim protector.
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Re: Ainge: In a nutshell
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2014, 03:20:43 AM »

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No. We were better getting something instead of nothing.  He wasn't staying. As far as I can see the second best offer was the lakers offering a protected 1st for both green and rondo combined.

Rondo is overrated, potentially a negative influence, had minimal trade value, plays the most loaded position in the league, and was possibly a 1 year rental for any team bringing him on.  We got what he is worth.

Ainge waited too long to move rondo but traditionally he gets the most he can for our assets.

Re: Ainge: In a nutshell
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2014, 03:21:01 AM »

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I'm ready for the backlash. I could go on for days...

I have repeatedly said we were gifted with a championship when McHale sent KG our way.
Now... please take a step back and consider Ainge's ties to Carlisle. I'll admit Rondo has been far from superb... but at the same time, I think he'll flourish in Dallas. So given Ainge's ties to Carlisle, can any one honestly protest that this isn't another friendship move? Another move that corroborates the fact that McHale won us a championship? For any one that can't see Ainge's angles, I feel bad for you... he's a complete scrub - only time will tell when his whiny butt gets canned. Till then, let's keep moving up in drafts for KO, and steal guys like Fab Melo.

If you want to make the Rondo/Perk argument, it's going to fall on deaf ears. 3 HOFers make life a lot easier for a distributor and rim protector.

Oh yeah, sounds great to me (sarcasm)! ::)

« Last Edit: December 21, 2014, 10:28:43 AM by fordescort »

Re: Ainge: In a nutshell
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2014, 03:21:47 AM »

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No. We we better getting something instead of nothing.  He wasn't staying. As far as I can see the second best offer was the lakers offering a protected 1st for both green and rondo combined.

Rondo is overrated, potentially a negative influence, had minimal trade value, plays the most loaded position in the league, and was possibly a 1 year rental for any team bringing him on.  We got what he is worth.

We got something for Rondo? ::)

Re: Ainge: In a nutshell
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2014, 03:22:38 AM »

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No. We we better getting something instead of nothing.  He wasn't staying. As far as I can see the second best offer was the lakers offering a protected 1st for both green and rondo combined.

Rondo is overrated, potentially a negative influence, had minimal trade value, plays the most loaded position in the league, and was possibly a 1 year rental for any team bringing him on.  We got what he is worth.

We got something for Rondo? ::)
Yeah. A late 1st rounder and trade flexibility.

Re: Ainge: In a nutshell
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2014, 03:24:35 AM »

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No. We we better getting something instead of nothing.  He wasn't staying. As far as I can see the second best offer was the lakers offering a protected 1st for both green and rondo combined.

Rondo is overrated, potentially a negative influence, had minimal trade value, plays the most loaded position in the league, and was possibly a 1 year rental for any team bringing him on.  We got what he is worth.

You're likely the most opinionated poster here, but your perspective tends to be really skewed at times, imo. You did not consider my point... that the deal went down because of Ainge's relationship with Carlisle... you do not know about any other offers on the table. It is incredibly flippant and narcissistic to pretend you know what other offers were out there... especially given the pace at which this trade moved. It's absurd. You can quantify Rondo's value however you want, but I would bet my life a better deal was/would be out there... and I imagine most fans would agree.
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Re: Ainge: In a nutshell
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2014, 03:26:08 AM »

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No. We we better getting something instead of nothing.  He wasn't staying. As far as I can see the second best offer was the lakers offering a protected 1st for both green and rondo combined.

Rondo is overrated, potentially a negative influence, had minimal trade value, plays the most loaded position in the league, and was possibly a 1 year rental for any team bringing him on.  We got what he is worth.

We got something for Rondo? ::)
Yeah. A late 1st rounder and trade flexibility.
Do you know/understand the game better than Simmons and Jalen Rose? Rose called it nothing short of a robbery... please speak to that. I can not wait to hear your logic.

Edit: Gotta know... have you ever played basketball?
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Re: Ainge: In a nutshell
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2014, 03:28:49 AM »

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No. We we better getting something instead of nothing.  He wasn't staying. As far as I can see the second best offer was the lakers offering a protected 1st for both green and rondo combined.

Rondo is overrated, potentially a negative influence, had minimal trade value, plays the most loaded position in the league, and was possibly a 1 year rental for any team bringing him on.  We got what he is worth.

We got something for Rondo? ::)
Yeah. A late 1st rounder and trade flexibility.
Do you know/understand the game better than Simmons and Jalen Rose? Rose called it nothing short of a robbery... please speak to that. I can not wait to hear your logic.

Edit: Gotta know... have you ever played basketball?

If you think Jalen Rose is some sort of basketball savant, you probably shouldn't be challenging others' knowledge of the game.

Mike

Re: Ainge: In a nutshell
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2014, 03:31:07 AM »

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No. We we better getting something instead of nothing.  He wasn't staying. As far as I can see the second best offer was the lakers offering a protected 1st for both green and rondo combined.

Rondo is overrated, potentially a negative influence, had minimal trade value, plays the most loaded position in the league, and was possibly a 1 year rental for any team bringing him on.  We got what he is worth.

We got something for Rondo? ::)
Yeah. A late 1st rounder and trade flexibility.
Do you know/understand the game better than Simmons and Jalen Rose? Rose called it nothing short of a robbery... please speak to that. I can not wait to hear your logic.

Edit: Gotta know... have you ever played basketball?

If you think Jalen Rose is some sort of basketball savant, you probably shouldn't be challenging others' knowledge of the game.

Mike

What? Did you play D1? If not, best to sit this one out.
Few understand the game better than Jalen... presumably because HE CHANGED IT.
Thanks for your contribution. Forums are intended for learning purposes, as well.
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Re: Ainge: In a nutshell
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2014, 03:37:18 AM »

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I'm ready for the backlash. I could go on for days...

I have repeatedly said we were gifted with a championship when McHale sent KG our way.
Now... please take a step back and consider Ainge's ties to Carlisle. I'll admit Rondo has been far from superb... but at the same time, I think he'll flourish in Dallas. So given Ainge's ties to Carlisle, can any one honestly protest that this isn't another friendship move? Another move that corroborates the fact that McHale won us a championship? For any one that can't see Ainge's angles, I feel bad for you... he's a complete scrub - only time will tell when his whiny butt gets canned. Till then, let's keep moving up in drafts for KO, and steal guys like Fab Melo.

If you want to make the Rondo/Perk argument, it's going to fall on deaf ears. 3 HOFers make life a lot easier for a superb craftsman/distributor and a wholeheartedly dedicated rim protector.

Unsubstantiated viewpoint to support an agenda-driven view. What is with all this hate on Ainge? Try being a fan of most other NBA teams and you can experience what a truly inadequate front office is like. This simply the most Ainge could get for an impending FA. Consider the $12.9m TPE to be of equal value to a first rounder. So Ainge essentially got two 1sts, a tradeable asset in Wright, a decent young player in Crowder and a cheap replacement in Nelson for Rondo,

For some reason fans obsess over a GM's decision-making skills during times of a blockbuster trade or free agent signing but don't realize that these are two of the easiest parts of the job. Salary maintenance, draft success, asset accumulation, and other non-glorified aspects of Ainge's job are truly what puts a team in position to make headline-worthy news. Ainge excels at all of these things and thus the Celtics are consistently in a position to make a move that is so dang good people think Ainge and league-wide friends have to be conspiring.


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Re: Ainge: In a nutshell
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2014, 03:43:49 AM »

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No. We we better getting something instead of nothing.  He wasn't staying. As far as I can see the second best offer was the lakers offering a protected 1st for both green and rondo combined.

Rondo is overrated, potentially a negative influence, had minimal trade value, plays the most loaded position in the league, and was possibly a 1 year rental for any team bringing him on.  We got what he is worth.

We got something for Rondo? ::)
Yeah. A late 1st rounder and trade flexibility.
Do you know/understand the game better than Simmons and Jalen Rose? Rose called it nothing short of a robbery... please speak to that. I can not wait to hear your logic.

Edit: Gotta know... have you ever played basketball?

If you think Jalen Rose is some sort of basketball savant, you probably shouldn't be challenging others' knowledge of the game.

Mike

What? Did you play D1? If not, best to sit this one out.
Few understand the game better than Jalen... presumably because HE CHANGED IT.
Thanks for your contribution. Forums are intended for learning purposes, as well.



You know who didn't play Division I basketball? Tom Thibodeau.

You know who played Division I basketball, NBA basketball, MLB baseball and was one of the greatest high school/college athletes of his time? Danny Ainge, the guy you're criticizing.

Seems your pitifully weak argument contains some inconsistencies.


Draft: 8 first rounders in next 5 years.

Cap space: $24 mil.

https://www.reddit.com/r/dkcleague/

Re: Ainge: In a nutshell
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2014, 03:45:53 AM »

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I'm ready for the backlash. I could go on for days...

I have repeatedly said we were gifted with a championship when McHale sent KG our way.
Now... please take a step back and consider Ainge's ties to Carlisle. I'll admit Rondo has been far from superb... but at the same time, I think he'll flourish in Dallas. So given Ainge's ties to Carlisle, can any one honestly protest that this isn't another friendship move? Another move that corroborates the fact that McHale won us a championship? For any one that can't see Ainge's angles, I feel bad for you... he's a complete scrub - only time will tell when his whiny butt gets canned. Till then, let's keep moving up in drafts for KO, and steal guys like Fab Melo.

If you want to make the Rondo/Perk argument, it's going to fall on deaf ears. 3 HOFers make life a lot easier for a superb craftsman/distributor and a wholeheartedly dedicated rim protector.

Unsubstantiated viewpoint to support an agenda-driven view. What is with all this hate on Ainge? Try being a fan of most other NBA teams and you can experience what a truly inadequate front office is like. This simply the most Ainge could get for an impending FA. Consider the $12.9m TPE to be of equal value to a first rounder. So Ainge essentially got two 1sts, a tradeable asset in Wright, a decent young player in Crowder and a cheap replacement in Nelson for Rondo,

For some reason fans obsess over a GM's decision-making skills during times of a blockbuster trade or free agent signing but don't realize that these are two of the easiest parts of the job. Salary maintenance, draft success, asset accumulation, and other non-glorified aspects of Ainge's job are truly what puts a team in position to make headline-worthy news. Ainge excels at all of these things and thus the Celtics are consistently in a position to make a move that is so dang good people think Ainge and league-wide friends have to be conspiring.

I don't want to entertain all that you wrote. This is far from a blockbuster trade... I posted that this would happen as soon as the rumor surfaced... and Ainge has dangled Rondo every season (hence why everyone left).

TPE? Makes zero sense. If we don't find a superstar-caliber player, that we can trade for with our current 20 role players.. that's a moot point. Idk how you came up with 2 firsts... looks like a late first and second... so I won't entertain it unless you can clarify.

Please enlighten me as to how Ainge is going to turn 20 role players (not one starter, besides Green) into a superstar-caliber player that we can build around. I'll wait patiently.
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Re: Ainge: In a nutshell
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2014, 03:48:34 AM »

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No. We we better getting something instead of nothing.  He wasn't staying. As far as I can see the second best offer was the lakers offering a protected 1st for both green and rondo combined.

Rondo is overrated, potentially a negative influence, had minimal trade value, plays the most loaded position in the league, and was possibly a 1 year rental for any team bringing him on.  We got what he is worth.

We got something for Rondo? ::)
Yeah. A late 1st rounder and trade flexibility.
Do you know/understand the game better than Simmons and Jalen Rose? Rose called it nothing short of a robbery... please speak to that. I can not wait to hear your logic.

Edit: Gotta know... have you ever played basketball?

If you think Jalen Rose is some sort of basketball savant, you probably shouldn't be challenging others' knowledge of the game.

Mike

What? Did you play D1? If not, best to sit this one out.
Few understand the game better than Jalen... presumably because HE CHANGED IT.
Thanks for your contribution. Forums are intended for learning purposes, as well.



You know who didn't play Division I basketball? Tom Thibodeau.

You know who played Division I basketball, NBA basketball, MLB baseball and was one of the greatest high school/college athletes of his time? Danny Ainge, the guy you're criticizing.

Seems your pitifully weak argument contains some inconsistencies.

BYU, in an era of unathletic athletes, does not qualify as D1 status. I work with someone that played multiple sports at BYU (recently)... couldn't be more unathletic. The trick is to avoid coffee. Keep it coming...
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Re: Ainge: In a nutshell
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2014, 03:53:37 AM »

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No. We we better getting something instead of nothing.  He wasn't staying. As far as I can see the second best offer was the lakers offering a protected 1st for both green and rondo combined.

Rondo is overrated, potentially a negative influence, had minimal trade value, plays the most loaded position in the league, and was possibly a 1 year rental for any team bringing him on.  We got what he is worth.

We got something for Rondo? ::)
Yeah. A late 1st rounder and trade flexibility.
Do you know/understand the game better than Simmons and Jalen Rose? Rose called it nothing short of a robbery... please speak to that. I can not wait to hear your logic.

Edit: Gotta know... have you ever played basketball?

If you think Jalen Rose is some sort of basketball savant, you probably shouldn't be challenging others' knowledge of the game.

Mike

What? Did you play D1? If not, best to sit this one out.
Few understand the game better than Jalen... presumably because HE CHANGED IT.
Thanks for your contribution. Forums are intended for learning purposes, as well.



You know who didn't play Division I basketball? Tom Thibodeau.

You know who played Division I basketball, NBA basketball, MLB baseball and was one of the greatest high school/college athletes of his time? Danny Ainge, the guy you're criticizing.

Seems your pitifully weak argument contains some inconsistencies.

BYU, in an era of unathletic athletes, does not qualify as D1 status. I work with someone that played multiple sports at BYU (recently)... couldn't be more unathletic. The trick is to avoid coffee. Keep it coming...

You've completely lost all credibility. I'd take a break if I were you.

You can be upset about trades, wins/losses, etc. But don't get all crazy on the keyboard. It's not good for your health.

Re: Ainge: In a nutshell
« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2014, 03:55:58 AM »

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No. We we better getting something instead of nothing.  He wasn't staying. As far as I can see the second best offer was the lakers offering a protected 1st for both green and rondo combined.

Rondo is overrated, potentially a negative influence, had minimal trade value, plays the most loaded position in the league, and was possibly a 1 year rental for any team bringing him on.  We got what he is worth.

We got something for Rondo? ::)
Yeah. A late 1st rounder and trade flexibility.
Do you know/understand the game better than Simmons and Jalen Rose? Rose called it nothing short of a robbery... please speak to that. I can not wait to hear your logic.

Edit: Gotta know... have you ever played basketball?

If you think Jalen Rose is some sort of basketball savant, you probably shouldn't be challenging others' knowledge of the game.

Mike

What? Did you play D1? If not, best to sit this one out.
Few understand the game better than Jalen... presumably because HE CHANGED IT.
Thanks for your contribution. Forums are intended for learning purposes, as well.



You know who didn't play Division I basketball? Tom Thibodeau.

You know who played Division I basketball, NBA basketball, MLB baseball and was one of the greatest high school/college athletes of his time? Danny Ainge, the guy you're criticizing.

Seems your pitifully weak argument contains some inconsistencies.

BYU, in an era of unathletic athletes, does not qualify as D1 status. I work with someone that played multiple sports at BYU (recently)... couldn't be more unathletic. The trick is to avoid coffee. Keep it coming...

You've completely lost all credibility. I'd take a break if I were you.

You can be upset about trades, wins/losses, etc. But don't get all crazy on the keyboard. It's not good for your health.

Okay? If you have anything of significance to add to the discussion, please feel free to come back and add your 2 cents.
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