Monroe only costs a 1st rounder? (according to Sporting News)

[CFAN38]

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2014-12-15/nba-trade-rumor-greg-monroe-detroit-pistons-celtics-suns


Does Bass plus the Clippers pick get it done?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=odpag4a


Even if he ends up not signing here in the off-season, would it be worth the risk?

I don't think the risk is worth the reward, adding Monroe to this team doesn't make the Cs anything more then a boarder line playoff team. Its not worth a 1st round pick to add a few wins this season.

Not even a late first rounder like the Clips or Cavs picks?

Not even for the clippers pick.Trading for Monroe is trading for a player that the Cs have no bird rights to next season who plays the same position as two of our current young players. I like Monroe and think he is going to end up excelling on his next team. The spurs seem like a great fit as a PF in their system. 

[Quetzalcoatl]

The only scenario I do something like this is if I also have a trade for Sully that nets more than a first rounder in value

[Donoghus]

I don't think giving up a pick for a rental that comes with no bird rights is worth it for the C's.

This.

[Fafnir]

I believe that a team signing Monroe loses his Bird rights, meaning that the most we can give him is 120% of his current salary.  His salary is around $5.5 million, so if we traded for him, we could sign him to a contract starting around $6.6 million next year.

That's not going to get it done.

Depending on how big of a contract Rondo got couldn't we conceivably deal or stretch Wallace in order to get the cap space to give him at least a $10 MM contract?

Yes.

Of course given that Jeff Green is likely to opt out such a move might not be necessary, though there are lot moving parts to the entire idea.

[hwangjini_1]

mods, we already have another thread on this. could you combine the two?

[saltlover]

This has been said before, and it should be said every single time this idea comes up.  Monroe's Bird rights do not transfer with him.  Accordingly, to sign him in the off-season would require we have the cap space to do so.  Unless the Pistons are willing to take on Wallace's contract in return, we are unlikely to have the requisite cap space to offer him a max deal.  Even if the Pistons take on Wallace, are likely faced with a choice of 2 of Rondo, Monroe, and Green.

So here are the questions: Is it worth a 1st rounder having Monroe for 2/3 of a season and risking that you lose him to a team with enough cap room willing to outbid you?  And if you think no team will outbid you, is it really worth a 1st round pick to get a guy for 2/3 of a season when you could just sign him next summer anyway if you really want?

Again, this isn't "he walks at the end of the season because he doesn't like it in Boston".  This is "he walks at the end of the season because another team can and wants to offer him millions more per year."  To me, it's not worth the risk, because it's likely Monroe will go to whomever offers him the most money, and it's unlikely the Celtics can be that team.

[SHAQATTACK]

Probably , but not a 1-8 pick tho

I'd trade contracts and player .....with a draft pick

[LooseCannon]

Would you trade Brandon Bass and a second-round pick for Monroe?  I'd probably do it, even if I would prefer to let Monroe walk rather than clear the cap space to sign him for max money.

[saltlover]

I believe that a team signing Monroe loses his Bird rights, meaning that the most we can give him is 120% of his current salary.  His salary is around $5.5 million, so if we traded for him, we could sign him to a contract starting around $6.6 million next year.

That's not going to get it done.

Depending on how big of a contract Rondo got couldn't we conceivably deal or stretch Wallace in order to get the cap space to give him at least a $10 MM contract?

Yes.

Of course given that Jeff Green is likely to opt out such a move might not be necessary, though there are lot moving parts to the entire idea.

And if Jeff Green opts out, he takes up all of the cap space until he either re-signs, signs elsewhere, or is renounced.  Also, I find the idea of Monroe agreeing to a contract of only $10 mil in year 1 pretty laughable.

Also, Monroe has no-trade power.  If he sees himself as a power forward, why would he agree to be traded here?  Finally, his agent is the same as Green's and Sully's (as wel as Tuner's).  While the agent should act in each player's best interest, David Falk has a lot of insider knowledge as to whether or not the C's will be able to pony up for Monroe in the summer (based on Green's decision), and how well Monroe would fit into the Celtics lineup (based on Sullinger).  If either of those are less-than-ideal, Monroe would be well-advised to not agree to come to Boston.

[TheFlex]

No.

[chambers]

If we already had a player like Love or an impact wing as we push towards the playoffs then I'd consider it.
Problem is he's just not good enough for me as a long term solution at center for us.
If we give up a pick for him now we only get him for the rest of this season and then he's a free agent. I don't wanna spend the money on him that he'll probably command ie 14/15 million per year. Would rather give that money to Hibbert.

[TheFlex]

If we already had a player like Love or an impact wing as we push towards the playoffs then I'd consider it.
Problem is he's just not good enough for me as a long term solution at center for us.
If we give up a pick for him now we only get him for the rest of this season and then he's a free agent. I don't wanna spend the money on him that he'll probably command ie 14/15 million per year. Would rather give that money to Hibbert.

TP. Cs wouldn't have his Bird Rights. It's likely we'd have to overpay him to keep him this summer.

The only reason to do that is if we believed a foundation of Rondo-Green-Sully-Monroe was good enough to at least make the second round, at which point we'd have to re-sign Rondo to a near-max deal (overpay) and Green to Chandler Parsons-esque dough (another overpay). After all that, our cap flexibility would be shot, and it's far from a guarantee that we'd be able to find a way to add another star to that group that would make it championship caliber.

[Chris22]

Clippers first rounder or Rondo.

[TheFlex]

Clippers first rounder or Rondo.

You would be foolish to trade Rondo for a player whose Bird Rights we wouldn't own and who we would likely have to overpay in order to convince him to stay past this offseason.

Rondo's value isn't nearly as high as it once was, but he's still worth a late lotto first.

[Rosco917]

I'm not sure he's a center defensively. It would be disappointing to sign him and find out he can't protect the rim any better than Zeller.
I think we may have better options out there.